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Re: WikiCarpedia update
« Reply #120 on: November 19, 2020, 12:16:01 AM »
Well TileReference. Nice job! Another private project is going to be gone ;-)
Ok. I'm man with numbers of suggestions.
1. When I'm searching for "Volcano" tiles, it will be good to hide all other tiles, not blur them.
2. Expansions names on left can be links to their pages
3. What about meet the JCloisterZone clarification where for example FFRR and FfRr means that fields are same and road same and FrRR means that road are devided ?
- examples FfRr basic game FrRR tower
4. Dividing C1 and C2 tiles hmm, I'll join in to same table. But it's my point of view ;-) All of us have mixed collection of tiles, so when searching some tile, than you have to check for first one section for example CCCC in C1 and then in C2.

anyway GREAT JOB guys (I know why ;-))

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Re: WikiCarpedia update
« Reply #121 on: November 19, 2020, 12:21:38 AM »
Anyway merit +1 +1

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Re: WikiCarpedia update
« Reply #122 on: November 19, 2020, 11:19:23 AM »
Well TileReference. Nice job! Another private project is going to be gone ;-)
Ok. I'm man with numbers of suggestions.

Not at all. I've been pondering many options and I have many ideas still in my head, but I wanted to release v1 to get some feedback... So thank you beforehand.  ;D

1. When I'm searching for "Volcano" tiles, it will be good to hide all other tiles, not blur them.

I wanted to add some options to the "Filters" tab:
* Features listed if all present vs. if any present (the latter is the current option)
* Hiding tiles vs. blurring tiles (the latter is the current option)
* Hiding expansions with no tiles visible vs. showning expansions with no visible tiles (the latter is the current option)
   - This one has an issue: the total count for expansions with no visible tiles 0/N will not be displayed so the total counts per expansions will not add up. I already tried this and it was somewhat confusing:

* A: 1/3 + B: 0/10 + C: 1/2 = Total: 2/15   <-- 0/10 visible
* A: 1/3  + C: 1/2 = Total: 2/15  <-- 0/10 hidden

I have to add the input fields to control this options yet.

Hiding tiles was my first option before blurring them but I found interesting knowing there were missing tiles because of the options I had chosen.

2. Expansions names on left can be links to their pages

This can be added... But this is also missing on the selectors for all the reference pages.

3. What about meet the JCloisterZone clarification where for example FFRR and FfRr means that fields are same and road same and FrRR means that road are devided ?
- examples FfRr basic game FrRR tower

This could be be cool to add, but maybe too much info for the average visitor... This could work as edge configuration subgroups.

This reminded me of this wonderful topic:
http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=4350.0

4. Dividing C1 and C2 tiles hmm, I'll join in to same table. But it's my point of view ;-) All of us have mixed collection of tiles, so when searching some tile, than you have to check for first one section for example CCCC in C1 and then in C2.

My initial idea was to implement 6 arrangements for tiles:

1) Edition / Edges / Expansions (the current one)
2) Edition  / Expansions / Edges
3) Edges / Edition / Expansions
4) Edges  / Expansions / Edition
5) Expansions / Edges / Edition
6) Expansions / Edition / Edges

But I decided to include only one arrangement to get all the basic issues sorted out for the time being. You are talking maybe of options 3 or 4.

anyway GREAT JOB guys (I know why ;-))

I have spoken.

Thank you!  ;D

So glad you liked it.
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Re: WikiCarpedia update
« Reply #123 on: November 21, 2020, 05:18:38 AM »
I've been trying to keep the Gold Rush Fan Expansions page up to date with the flurry of expansions by oldbonz ... you can see it here

https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Gold_Rush_Fan_Expansions

Please let me know if I'm missing any.
AutumnForest (C2), Catch Of The Day (C1/2/WD), Cliffs&W'falls (C1/2), Coast (C1/2), FishHuts (C2), Fluvium (C2), NewForest (C2), Harvest (C1/2), Stone Circles (C1/2), Wells (C2), Jordan River 2 (AotC), River I/II (GR)
Devt: Sakura (C2), WinterEdge (C1), WinterCoast (WD/WE) and others

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Re: WikiCarpedia update
« Reply #124 on: November 21, 2020, 06:06:40 AM »
Hi wolnic!

There are two more available: The Lake (Winter version) and the Special Railroad Tiles...

Have fun!  ;D

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Re: WikiCarpedia update
« Reply #125 on: November 29, 2020, 12:42:18 AM »
Quote from: Bumsakalaka
Tile Reference. Nice job!
Another private project is [...] gone ;-)
You summed it up nicely. My very first private project was to try and create a tile reference for inexperienced players. And, very shortly after I joined CarcassonneCentral, Wolnic and Meepledrone were kind enough to support me by supplying the (then not quite complete) data describing all the edge configurations on tiles. I did create a thoroughly useable Google Sheet to allow a user to check the availability of a particular tile edge configuration (but didn't promote it here because it was incomplete.) But now of course you have done it so much better!

Which brings me to my feature request; can you add an option to hide all the detail on the tiles so that a simple reference list is produced. Like this:

CCCC ( City, City, City, City ): 0 / 4
CCCF ( City, City, City, Field ): 0 / 6
CCCR ( City, City, City, Road ): 0 / 3
etc

The above uses the current format of the text line describing each group of tiles. In a perfect world the following would be even better:

CCCC : 4
CCCF : 6
CCCR : 3
etc
« Last Edit: November 30, 2020, 07:49:22 AM by cicerunner »

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Re: WikiCarpedia update
« Reply #126 on: November 29, 2020, 06:28:53 AM »
The list you describe would be more like a tile reference cheat sheet, right? You could use it for tile counting too...  >:D

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Re: WikiCarpedia update
« Reply #127 on: November 30, 2020, 07:48:53 AM »
The list you describe would be more like a tile reference cheat sheet, right? You could use it for tile counting too...  >:D
It would. And you could ...

But my needs are much more innocent. Although I actively avoid learning the tile distributions - to make for more balanced play with casual players - inevitably, just by length of experience, I have acquired some knowledge. I'd like to be able to put together a small game - eg base + major + mini + mini - and hand my casual playing friends the 'cheat sheet' for the tile distribution - this would give them the advantage of perfect memory but still leave me with my strategic edge ...

If nothing else it would stop my friends accusing me of "only winning because you know all the tiles!"

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Re: WikiCarpedia update
« Reply #128 on: November 30, 2020, 07:51:55 AM »
I appreciate that the current implementation of tile reference is a little slow to load (?) so perhaps rather than implementing this by hiding all the unwanted information it could be done as a separate, faster loading, page with just this information on it - linked to from the same tile selector?

A subtle extension (which by the way I implemented in my Google Sheets version ;) ) would be to allow selection of multiple copies of the base game and expansions. This would be useful on the existing full information version too I think.
« Last Edit: November 30, 2020, 08:01:39 AM by cicerunner »

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Re: WikiCarpedia update
« Reply #129 on: November 30, 2020, 02:33:36 PM »
The core part of the tile list is +750KB in order to be able to display or hide any tile configuration for all sets, expansions and their versions.

This new tile listing would require a more detailed selector (a number per expansion) and a shorter page, faster to load...   ;)

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Re: WikiCarpedia update
« Reply #130 on: December 02, 2020, 07:57:36 AM »
I appreciate that the current implementation of tile reference is a little slow to load (?) so perhaps rather than implementing this by hiding all the unwanted information it could be done as a separate, faster loading, page with just this information on it - linked to from the same tile selector?

A subtle extension (which by the way I implemented in my Google Sheets version ;) ) would be to allow selection of multiple copies of the base game and expansions. This would be useful on the existing full information version too I think.

There is a way to load it faster >:D >:D, but Meepledrone wouldn't let me do it :-[

I found a way to load it faster, without obstructing editors from seeing "outdated" content. To bypass cache when you're logged in. But I will try to implement that this week and hope it works.
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Re: WikiCarpedia update
« Reply #131 on: December 02, 2020, 08:27:22 AM »
Ha ha ha!

You tried to gaslight me while creating the Tile Reference... I spent a whole weekend viewing pages that didn't match the text I was editing... Very puzzling...  ;)

Even so I got it done... Using several browsers and flusing my browser cache all the time... Very recomendable to exercise one's patience...  >:D

Seriously, I hope this new approach works great.  :(y) :(y)

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Re: WikiCarpedia update
« Reply #132 on: December 03, 2020, 02:33:03 AM »
New update:

Currently fixed the issue for caching when people are logged in.

Note, the Wikicarpedia requests to a browser to local cache to. So there are less requests when people visit the same page over and over again (within a decent time frame).
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Re: WikiCarpedia update
« Reply #133 on: August 01, 2021, 12:43:39 PM »
A lot has happened since the last update on WICA... I lost track of the passing of time these past few months.

We have new pages for:
* The Peasant Revolts
* The 20th Expansion

And also updates to the the following pages to keep up with the 20th Anniversary Edition in C2:
* The Base Game: now it includes the 20th Anniversary tile distribution and some notes on the role changes (for example, highwayman renamed as female travelers, or monks can also be nuns)
* The Farmers: now it includes some notes on the role changes (for example, farmers are female now)
* The River: now it includes the 20th Anniversary River and some notes on the role changes, and the river tiles from CutCassonne
* The Abbot: now it includes some notes on the role changes (for example, abbots can also be abbesses) and the new tiles with gardens

As a consequence, there are some updates to the Reference pages regarding the new expansions, along with some changes due to clarifications related to Halflings and double-sized tiles.

I'm waiting for some clarifications from HiG. Once they reply, more changes will be required.

Until then, I leave you with a new experiment I'm putting together: A reference page consolidating all the clarifications. So far I have implemented Expansions 1 to 3. Let me know if you find this interesting to save some time when trying find information about a particular interaction.

https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Consolidated_Clarifications




Updated pages:

* Base Game:
   - C2: https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Base_game

* The Farmers:
   - C2: https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Farmers

* The Abbot:
   - C2: https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Abbot

* River:
   - C2: https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/River

* 20th Anniversary Expansion:
   - C2: https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/20th_Anniversary_Expansion

Reference Pages

* Game Reference:
  - C1: https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Game_Reference_(1st_edition)
  - C2: https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Game_Reference
  - WE: https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Game_Reference

* Order of Play:
  - C1: https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Order_of_Play_(1st_edition)
  - C2: https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Order_of_Play
  - WE: https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Order_of_Play

* Scoring During the Game:
  - C1: https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Scoring_During_the_Game_(1st_edition)
  - C2: https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Scoring_During_the_Game
  - WE: https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Scoring_During_the_Game
   
* Scoring During Turn Sequence:
  - C1: https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Scoring_During_Turn_Sequence_(1st_edition)
  - C2: https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Scoring_During_Turn_Sequence
  - WE: https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Scoring_During_Turn_Sequence

* Scoring After the Game:
  - C1: https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Scoring_After_the_Game_(1st_edition)
  - C2: https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Scoring_After_the_Game
  - WE: https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Scoring_After_the_Game

* Game Figures:
  - C1: https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Game_Figures_(1st_edition)
  - C2: https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Game_Figures
  - WE: https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Game_Figures

* Tile Reference:
  - C1: https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Tile_Reference_(1st_edition)
  - C2: https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Tile_Reference
  - WE: https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Tile_Reference

* Mega-Carcassonne
  - https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Mega-Carcassonne

* Visual Timeline
  - C2: https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Visual_Timeline_(2nd_edition)


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