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WTB 1st ed Kornkreise I
« on: April 06, 2021, 01:23:08 AM »
Hi everyone,

Hope you're all keeping well. Per the title, I seek the above two expansions for shipping to the UK. Happy to agree terms via DM or here as you wish.

Thanks

Linkback: https://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=5176.0
« Last Edit: May 05, 2021, 04:26:38 AM by CorporalRutland, Reason: Acquired WoF, now just need CK1. »

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Re: WTB 1st ed Wheel of Fortune and Kornkreise I
« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2021, 02:25:27 AM »
Just for the sake of clarity, are you looking for the standalone version of the WoF or the version included in Big Box 5?

Also, the standalone version is available in German, English and Dutch for example. There is also a Russian version, but this has different tile backs. Any preference just in case anyone has a copy available?

In any case, you may find some copies online of the standalone version on these second had sites (you will have to negotiate the shipping):
* German: There some offers with and without the book mixed with some offers with the book only.
   https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-carcassonne-schicksalsrad/k0
* Dutch: Several offers
   https://www.marktplaats.nl/q/carcassonne+fortuin/

The prices on eBay are crazily high...
Questions about rules? Check WICA: wikicarpedia.com

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Re: WTB 1st ed Wheel of Fortune and Kornkreise I
« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2021, 03:07:04 AM »
Just for the sake of clarity, are you looking for the standalone version of the WoF or the version included in Big Box 5?

Also, the standalone version is available in German, English and Dutch for example. There is also a Russian version, but this has different tile backs. Any preference just in case anyone has a copy available?

In any case, you may find some copies online of the standalone version on these second had sites (you will have to negotiate the shipping):
* German: There some offers with and without the book mixed with some offers with the book only.
   https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-carcassonne-schicksalsrad/k0
* Dutch: Several offers
   https://www.marktplaats.nl/q/carcassonne+fortuin/

The prices on eBay are crazily high...

Thanks for your reply!

Pardon my ignorance: what is the difference between the standalone and the version in BB5? I would be after solely the unique content, I wouldn't need any further base game tiles. I would prefer backs with the Latin 'C' rather than the Cyrillic 'K'.

I tried using Marktplaats but sadly can't as I have a UK phone number.

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Re: WTB 1st ed Wheel of Fortune and Kornkreise I
« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2021, 03:24:42 AM »
Stand alone is 72 tiles plus a language-dependent starting super tile (a 4x4 grid with the wheel). All tiles have the wheel watermark and 19 tiles also have a numbered wheel icon. All but 12 of the tiles are from the base game—the remainder are basic tiles from the first two expansions. I’d definitely consider it the superior version and I have both.

The Big Box version has a base game set of 72 tiles (unusually with a 72nd tile that doesn’t have an inverted back) and a 12 tile ‘expansion’ which has wheel watermarks, as well as a language-independent super tile. The 19 numbered wheel icons, though, remain on their original tiles, regardless of whether they are in the 72 base game tiles or the 12 expansion tiles. So basically, you get a strange base game / Wheel of Fortune hybrid of 84 tiles, 12 of which have watermarks and 19 of which have numbered wheel icons.

What I’ve done since the beginning is set aside the 19 numbered wheel tiles from my standalone expansion and use it as an expansion to the base game, throwing in the remaining basic tiles when I want a longer game. It works well. I would definitely recommend tracking down the Rio Grande standalone expansion if possible, although a benefit of the Big Box 5 is that it also comes with a special version of The River 1 featuring sheep and a vineyard from Expansion 9.

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Re: WTB 1st ed Wheel of Fortune and Kornkreise I
« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2021, 03:45:34 AM »
The standalone version is a both a full replacement for the base game of Carcassonne and an expansion to the original base game. It includes 72 tiles, consisting of 63 tiles released in the original base game, 6 from Exp. 1 - Inns & Cathedrals, 1 from Exp. 2 - Traders and Builders and 2 from King & Robber (included later in Exp. 6 - Count, King & Robber). All the tiles are marked with a wheel as an expansion symbol. It has no CRFR start tile with a dark back.

Big Box 5 include a full base game with no wheel symbol but 9 tiles include symbols with numbers 1, 2 or 3. Additionally it contains the WoF as a 12-tile expansion marked with the wheel expansion symbol. It also includes an extra CRFR tile with regular back to replace the standard start tile.

You can find a great post by Just a Bill including a fully detailed comparison here:
http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=3551.0

If you want to compare the tile distributions, you can check this page (the images of the standalone WoF do not include the wheel symbol - still have to find some images for that):
https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Tile_Reference_(1st_edition)

Hope this helps!

EDIT: Ha ha ha! Whaleyland had already replied while I was editing this...  :o
« Last Edit: April 06, 2021, 06:51:45 AM by Meepledrone »

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Re: WTB 1st ed Wheel of Fortune and Kornkreise I
« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2021, 06:45:36 AM »
Great minds must think alike, right? So in tune with one another!  :))

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Re: WTB 1st ed Wheel of Fortune and Kornkreise I
« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2021, 10:54:34 AM »
While we are on the subject, the base game/WOF in Big Box 5 has 73 tiles instead of 72 (even though it says "72 tiles, including the Start tile")? BB5 has 5 "D" tiles instead of "4". Is there any explanation to this?

Pictures attached for reference.
Pic 1: BB3 (left) vs BB5 (right) "Base Game" directions (BB5 base game is part of WOF).
Pic 2: BB3 Top BB5 Bottom

I purchased BB5 solely for the WOF and River. I find the extra markings on the base game does not detract from game play (and, for the record, I am medically diagnosed with OCD and they do not bother me ;D).

Good luck on Die Kornkreise. There seems to be a mob of people trying to find it these days!

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Re: WTB 1st ed Wheel of Fortune and Kornkreise I
« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2021, 11:55:27 AM »
They wanted to include the crfr (D) tile in case you play with the River and/or WoF, so that you can still play with it even though it is not a starter.

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Good luck on Die Kornkreise. There seems to be a mob of people trying to find it these days!
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Re: WTB 1st ed Wheel of Fortune and Kornkreise I
« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2021, 12:55:34 PM »
They wanted to include the crfr (D) tile in case you play with the River and/or WoF, so that you can still play with it even though it is not a starter

I thought the starter was included with the initial 4, so wouldn't a 5th be an extra?

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Re: WTB 1st ed Wheel of Fortune and Kornkreise I
« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2021, 08:28:35 AM »
Correct!

The CRFR tile with a dark back serves as the normal start tile as in a normal base game, but you can replace it by the extra CRFR tile with a normal back to play WoF, where the 4x4 tile plate serves as start tile.

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Re: WTB 1st ed Wheel of Fortune and Kornkreise I
« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2021, 09:05:41 AM »
That is what I meant, yes.

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Re: WTB 1st ed Wheel of Fortune and Kornkreise I
« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2021, 10:28:18 AM »
Do I feel Completionism in the air?

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Re: WTB 1st ed Wheel of Fortune and Kornkreise I
« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2021, 10:53:19 AM »
Ah, I see what you are saying. It is still odd that both rulebooks state "72 tiles, including the Start tile" when in reality BB5 shows 73. I'm guessing something happened during translation, or do the German versions appear the same?

Completionism is a wonderfully frustrating addicition!

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Re: WTB 1st ed Wheel of Fortune and Kornkreise I
« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2021, 01:00:03 PM »
Do I feel Completionism in the air?
Well of course  >:D
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Re: WTB 1st ed Wheel of Fortune and Kornkreise I
« Reply #14 on: May 05, 2021, 04:25:33 AM »
I have taken delivery of WoF today (the standalone box) so am now just seeking CK1. That's it!


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