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Is C2 or C3?
« on: January 18, 2022, 06:26:54 PM »
Halflings

Rounder corners
Yes.

Clipped buildings at city edges
Yes (partially)

Dark-roofed buildings
No.

More detailed texture at buildings (like sheds, monasteries)
No.

Roads in new style, with brownish stones
No.

Villages in new style
N/A

New interface in rules and box (new "Carcassonne" logo, brown background for rules, brown square expansion watermark in rules, rule examples with C3 normal Base game tiles)
No.

Result: Halflings is C2.



Cathedrals in Germany

Rounder corners
Yes.

Clipped buildings at city edges
N/A

Dark-roofed buildings
N/A

More detailed texture at buildings (like sheds, monasteries)
N/A

Roads in new style, with brownish stones
N/A

Villages in new style
N/A

New interface in rules and box (new "Carcassonne" logo, brown background for rules, brown square expansion watermark in rules, rule examples with C3 normal Base game tiles)
No.

Result: Cathedrals in Germany is C2.



Spiel Promo tile 2020

Rounder corners
No.

Clipped buildings at city edges
No.

Dark-roofed buildings
N/A

More detailed texture at buildings (like sheds, monasteries)
N/A

Roads in new style, with brownish stones
N/A

Villages in new style
N/A

New interface in rules and box (new "Carcassonne" logo, brown background for rules, brown square expansion watermark in rules, rule examples with C3 normal Base game tiles)
N/A

Result: Spiel Promo tile 2020 is C2.



USA East Map

Rounder corners
No (the printed tiles on the map are clear C2 tiles).

Clipped buildings at city edges
No (the printed tiles on the map are clear C2 tiles).

Dark-roofed buildings
No (the printed tiles on the map are clear C2 tiles).

More detailed texture at buildings (like sheds, monasteries)
No (the printed tiles on the map are clear C2 tiles).

Roads in new style, with brownish stones
No (the printed tiles on the map are clear C2 tiles).

Villages in new style
N/A

New interface in rules and box (new "Carcassonne" logo, brown background for rules, brown square expansion watermark in rules, rule examples with C3 normal Base game tiles)
No.

Result: USA East Map is C2.



USA West Map

Rounder corners
No (the printed tiles on the map are clear C2 tiles).

Clipped buildings at city edges
No (the printed tiles on the map are clear C2 tiles).

Dark-roofed buildings
No (the printed tiles on the map are clear C2 tiles).

More detailed texture at buildings (like sheds, monasteries)
No (the printed tiles on the map are clear C2 tiles).

Roads in new style, with brownish stones
No (the printed tiles on the map are clear C2 tiles).

Villages in new style
N/A

New interface in rules and box (new "Carcassonne" logo, brown background for rules, brown square expansion watermark in rules, rule examples with C3 normal Base game tiles)
No.

Result: USA West Map is C2.



The Peasant Revolts

Rounder corners
Yes.

Clipped buildings at city edges
Yes.

Dark-roofed buildings
No.

More detailed texture at buildings (like sheds, monasteries)
No.

Roads in new style, with brownish stones
No.

Villages in new style
No.

New interface in rules and box (new "Carcassonne" logo, brown background for rules, brown square expansion watermark in rules, rule examples with C3 normal Base game tiles)
No.

Result: The Peasant Revolts is C2.



20th Anniversary Edition

Rounder corners
Yes.

Clipped buildings at city edges
Yes.

Dark-roofed buildings
Yes.

More detailed texture at buildings (like sheds, monasteries)
Yes.

Roads in new style, with brownish stones
Yes.

Villages in new style
Yes.

New interface in rules and box (new "Carcassonne" logo, brown background for rules, brown square expansion watermark in rules, rule examples with C3 normal Base game tiles)
Yes; the "Carcassonne" logo is in new style, the rules have brown background...

Result: 20th Anniversary Edition is C3.



Taiwan Map

Rounder corners
No (the printed tiles on the map are clear C2 tiles).

Clipped buildings at city edges
No (the printed tiles on the map are clear C2 tiles).

Dark-roofed buildings
No (the printed tiles on the map are clear C2 tiles).

More detailed texture at buildings (like sheds, monasteries)
No (the printed tiles on the map are clear C2 tiles).

Roads in new style, with brownish stones
No (the printed tiles on the map are clear C2 tiles).

Villages in new style
N/A

New interface in rules and box (new "Carcassonne" logo, brown background for rules, brown square expansion watermark in rules, rule examples with C3 normal Base game tiles)
Yes (the "Carcassonne" logo on the map is in new style).

Result: Taiwan Map is C2.



The Gifts

Rounder corners
No (anyways, the cards depict tiles from C3 normal Base game)

Clipped buildings at city edges
Yes (the cards depict tiles from C3 normal Base game)

Dark-roofed buildings
No (anyways, the cards depict tiles from C3 normal Base game)

More detailed texture at buildings (like sheds, monasteries)
Yes (the cards depict tiles from C3 normal Base game)

Roads in new style, with brownish stones
No (anyways, the cards depict tiles from C3 normal Base game)

Villages in new style
N/A (anyways, the cards depict tiles from C3 normal Base game)

New interface in rules and box (new "Carcassonne" logo, brown background for rules, brown square expansion watermark in rules, rule examples with C3 normal Base game tiles)
Yes; the "Carcassonne" logo is in new style, the rules have brown background, the expansion watermark from rules is brown and square, the rule examples depict C3 normal Base game tiles.

Result: The Gifts is C3.



Spiel Promo tile 2021

Rounder corners
No.

Clipped buildings at city edges
No.

Dark-roofed buildings
N/A

More detailed texture at buildings (like sheds, monasteries)
N/A

Roads in new style, with brownish stones
N/A

Villages in new style
N/A

New interface in rules and box (new "Carcassonne" logo, brown background for rules, brown square expansion watermark in rules, rule examples with C3 normal Base game tiles)
N/A

Result: Spiel Promo tile 2021 is C2.



The Signposts

Rounder corners
Yes.

Clipped buildings at city edges
Yes.

Dark-roofed buildings
Yes.

More detailed texture at buildings (like sheds, monasteries)
Yes.

Roads in new style, with brownish stones
Yes.

Villages in new style
N/A

New interface in rules and box (new "Carcassonne" logo, brown background for rules, brown square expansion watermark in rules, rule examples with C3 normal Base game tiles)
Yes; the "Carcassonne" logo is in new style, the rules have brown background, the expansion watermark from rules is brown and square, the rule examples depict C3 normal Base game tiles.

Result: The Signposts is C3.



Big Box 7

Rounder corners
Yes.

Clipped buildings at city edges
Yes.

Dark-roofed buildings
Yes.

More detailed texture at buildings (like sheds, monasteries)
Yes.

Roads in new style, with brownish stones
Yes.

Villages in new style
Yes.

New interface in rules and box (new "Carcassonne" logo, brown background for rules, brown square expansion watermark in rules, rule examples with C3 normal Base game tiles)
Yes; the "Carcassonne" logo is in new style, the rules have brown background, the expansion watermark from rules is brown and square, the rule examples depict C3 normal Base game tiles.

Result: Big Box 7 is C3.



C3 Base game set (normal)

Rounder corners
Yes.

Clipped buildings at city edges
Yes.

Dark-roofed buildings
Yes.

More detailed texture at buildings (like sheds, monasteries)
Yes.

Roads in new style, with brownish stones
Yes.

Villages in new style
Yes.

New interface in rules and box (new "Carcassonne" logo, brown background for rules, brown square expansion watermark in rules, rule examples with C3 normal Base game tiles)
Yes; the "Carcassonne" logo is in new style, the rules have brown background, the expansion watermark from rules is brown and square, the rule examples depict C3 normal Base game tiles.

Result: C3 Base game set (normal) is C3.




Results: C2: Halflings, Cathedrals in Germany, Spiel Promo 2020 tile, USA East Map, USA West Map, The Peasant Revolts, Taiwan Map, Spiel Promo 2021 tile. C3: 20th Anniversary Edition, The Gifts, The Signposts, Big Box 7, C3 Base game set (normal).


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Re: Is C2 or C3?
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2022, 11:40:59 PM »
Results: C2: Halflings, Cathedrals in Germany, Spiel Promo 2020 tile, USA East Map, USA West Map, The Peasant Revolts, Taiwan Map, Spiel Promo 2021 tile. C3: 20th Anniversary Edition, The Gifts, The Signposts, Big Box 7, C3 Base game set (normal).

Thanks for this analysis, great job! Everything makes sense, but for me, the ONLY thing that matters are "Clipped buildings at city edges"  ;)
so for me Peasant Revolts is C3

Sorry for arguing and provoking a discussion ...  >:D

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Re: Is C2 or C3?
« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2022, 01:47:27 AM »
Round corners vary on publisher and print run. There are a few early v2.1 editions that have rounded corners, so I don't think it can be used as a differentiator.
I think the best metric for v3 is any tile that Marcel Gröber was involved with the design of.  There's a definite shift in design when they joined the team.

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Re: Is C2 or C3?
« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2022, 02:37:57 AM »
Gifts
images of cities has not dark roof on cards (at least on promo picture) but Monastery is new design

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Re: Is C2 or C3?
« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2022, 04:06:11 AM »
Halflings has the first incursion in overflowing cities, as you can see here. It does not happen to all the tiles...

Black roofs appeared with the 20th Annivesary edition. The C3 base game = 20th Anniversary Edition - flags - Easter eggs.
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Re: Is C2 or C3?
« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2022, 04:25:43 AM »
C3 or printing defect ?

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Re: Is C2 or C3?
« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2022, 04:57:16 AM »
I consider it a transition phase... ;)

A printing error would shift the image horizontally or vertically, but if you check the buildings next to the coat of arms, you can see the overflow is intentional... And the opposite tile also has overflowing roofs...

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Re: Is C2 or C3?
« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2022, 05:01:03 AM »
Exactly, something's going to get cropped eventually.

Do we know which designs Marcel Gröber worked on?

I wouldn't consider the Maps as expansions to Carcassonne in (v1 or v2), they're more of a spin-off because only 1 (or 2 in the USA) case can be played at the same time; and it changes some of the core rules of Carcassonne, by limiting where tiles are played.  Although they are listed as a mini-expansion on Cundco, so shows what I know.

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Re: Is C2 or C3?
« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2022, 05:16:52 AM »
Yes, Carcassonne Maps are not expansions, but they still follow a deign.

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Re: Is C2 or C3?
« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2022, 05:18:24 AM »
Do Spiel Promo 2020 tile and Spiel Promo 2021 tile have rounder corners?

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Re: Is C2 or C3?
« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2022, 05:29:04 AM »
2019 onwards do - I dont have a 2018 to hand to check compare

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Re: Is C2 or C3?
« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2022, 05:33:47 AM »
Here's 2017 and 2018. 2018 looked more rounded than 2017

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Re: Is C2 or C3?
« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2022, 05:36:26 AM »
Thanks to the flash you can see the paper type, and the linen finish, changing too.

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Re: Is C2 or C3?
« Reply #13 on: January 19, 2022, 05:38:03 AM »
And if I recall correctly, 2014, 15,16 and 17 were printed at the same time on the same tile sheet. So it would make sense for a noticeable change to occur for 2018.

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Re: Is C2 or C3?
« Reply #14 on: January 19, 2022, 05:44:03 AM »
All Spiel tiles to date have the usual corners... They are C2.0 (2014-2017) and C2.1 (2018-2021).

The C2.0 Spiel tiles were printed in 2x2 frames, the tiles for the four years in one go. I saw a picture of the frame on CarcF some time ago but couldn't find it again.


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