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Re: The Very 'Best' Of Ebay
« Reply #15 on: May 19, 2016, 02:23:09 PM »
This seller has made several hundred euros selling illegal counterfeit tiles.  This is their best auction to date.  Please take a few minutes to report the violation.

Duplicates of at least 9 of Hans Im Gluck's expansions:

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Carcassonne-Set-uber-200-Plattchen-z-B-Tunnel-Kornkreise-der-Acker-Reiter-/262444563754?hash=item3d1aea3d2a:g:Gh0AAOSwYmZXIz0j

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Re: The Very 'Best' Of Ebay
« Reply #16 on: May 20, 2016, 01:26:28 AM »
Not doubting you, but how do you know they are fakes.

Is there anything that we can look out for that gives it away?

If it was a case of many sales, maybe he has a good source of second hand games.

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Re: The Very 'Best' Of Ebay
« Reply #17 on: May 20, 2016, 02:00:39 AM »

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Re: The Very 'Best' Of Ebay
« Reply #18 on: May 20, 2016, 02:21:06 AM »
Well partly, it's knowledge the tiles are not official HiG tiles - it's also illegal to profit from any fan-made tiles as the artwork belongs to HiG.

Secondly, it's looking at the pictures.  It's pretty clear they're printed on a laser printer and stuck on with a glue-stick...Check the corners out:

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Re: The Very 'Best' Of Ebay
« Reply #19 on: May 20, 2016, 02:29:36 AM »
Well partly, it's knowledge the tiles are not official HiG tiles - it's also illegal to profit from any fan-made tiles as the artwork belongs to HiG.

Secondly, it's looking at the pictures.  It's pretty clear they're printed on a laser printer and stuck on with a glue-stick...Check the corners out:

I agree with everything you say here. What you have not established is that the tiles in your original post are fake.

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Re: The Very 'Best' Of Ebay
« Reply #20 on: May 20, 2016, 05:07:50 AM »
Bit more time over lunch time to highlight some of the tiles which stand out and look odd to me.  Now certainly it could be combination of poor camera work, unlucky lighting and possibly some aliasing/compression artefacts when uploading the photos.  But I don't think this seller should be given much benefit-of-the-doubt given his previous selling history.

My picture is 10MB - so here is a link: DodgyTiles.png.

I collected some links last year in December, and informed HiG, which seem to have disappeared now, but they were all counterfeit or marked as fan-expansions or inoffizielle:

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Carcassonne-inoffizielle-Erweiterungen-Schweineherde-Landzunge-Hans-im-Gluck-/262196044812?hash=item3d0c1a240c:g:ATAAAOSwl9BWNLvQ
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Carcassonne-inoffiziell-Tunnel-Sonderkarten-Regelerweiterung-Hans-im-Gluck-/262120736810?hash=item3d079d082a:g:51cAAOSwo6lWNK24
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Carcassonne-inoffiziell-Kornkreise-Tunnel-der-Dom-inkl-Regel-Hans-im-Gluck-/262115941655?hash=item3d0753dd17:g:utYAAOSwgNRV8Xs4
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Carcassonne-inoffizielle-Erweiterung-See-und-Angler-La-Porxada-Hans-im-Gluck-/262115952816?hash=item3d075408b0:g:1uUAAOSwAodWFRA3
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Carcassonne-inoffizielle-Erweiterung-See-und-Angler-Hans-im-Gluck-/262082514697?hash=item3d0555cf09:g:1uUAAOSwAodWFRA3
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Carcassonne-inoffiz-Erweiterungen-Neue-Moglichkeiten-Kornkreise-Hans-im-Gluck-/262115934285?hash=item3d0753c04d:g:7csAAOSwN81WEkgS
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Carcassonne-inoffizielle-Sonderkarten-Belagerer-Neues-Kloster-Hans-im-Gluck-/262120735237?hash=item3d079d0205:g:WQ4AAOSwA4dWNLqH
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Carcassonne-inoffizielle-Erweiterung-Reiter-Waldhutte-Hans-im-Gluck-/262120776810?hash=item3d079da46a:g:1qcAAOSwAYtWNLmh

And with regard to marking the files as 'inoffizielle' that doesn't make it ok.  Here is a link to an offical HiG Statement Kettlefish/MJHarper translated for us many months ago:
http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=87.0

Edit: sorry should have added:  Some of the circles, to me: show printer head-lines
« Last Edit: May 20, 2016, 05:09:51 AM by Decar »

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Re: The Very 'Best' Of Ebay
« Reply #21 on: May 20, 2016, 05:16:26 AM »
Bit more time over lunch time to highlight some of the tiles which stand out and look odd to me.  Now certainly it could be combination of poor camera work, unlucky lighting and possibly some aliasing/compression artefacts when uploading the photos.  But I don't think this seller should be given much benefit-of-the-doubt given his previous selling history.

My picture is 10MB - so here is a link: DodgyTiles.png.

I collected some links last year in December, and informed HiG, which seem to have disappeared now, but they were all counterfeit or marked as fan-expansions or inoffizielle:

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Carcassonne-inoffizielle-Erweiterungen-Schweineherde-Landzunge-Hans-im-Gluck-/262196044812?hash=item3d0c1a240c:g:ATAAAOSwl9BWNLvQ
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Carcassonne-inoffiziell-Tunnel-Sonderkarten-Regelerweiterung-Hans-im-Gluck-/262120736810?hash=item3d079d082a:g:51cAAOSwo6lWNK24
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Carcassonne-inoffiziell-Kornkreise-Tunnel-der-Dom-inkl-Regel-Hans-im-Gluck-/262115941655?hash=item3d0753dd17:g:utYAAOSwgNRV8Xs4
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Carcassonne-inoffizielle-Erweiterung-See-und-Angler-La-Porxada-Hans-im-Gluck-/262115952816?hash=item3d075408b0:g:1uUAAOSwAodWFRA3
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Carcassonne-inoffizielle-Erweiterung-See-und-Angler-Hans-im-Gluck-/262082514697?hash=item3d0555cf09:g:1uUAAOSwAodWFRA3
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Carcassonne-inoffiz-Erweiterungen-Neue-Moglichkeiten-Kornkreise-Hans-im-Gluck-/262115934285?hash=item3d0753c04d:g:7csAAOSwN81WEkgS
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Carcassonne-inoffizielle-Sonderkarten-Belagerer-Neues-Kloster-Hans-im-Gluck-/262120735237?hash=item3d079d0205:g:WQ4AAOSwA4dWNLqH
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Carcassonne-inoffizielle-Erweiterung-Reiter-Waldhutte-Hans-im-Gluck-/262120776810?hash=item3d079da46a:g:1qcAAOSwAYtWNLmh
I am somewhat more convinced now. I assume you will report it seeing how much work you've put into this.

And with regard to marking the files as 'inoffizielle' that doesn't make it ok.  Here is a link to an offical HiG Statement Kettlefish/MJHarper translated for us many months ago:
http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=87.0

Edit: sorry should have added:  Some of the circles, to me: show printer head-lines

I never said the  'inoffizielle' made it okay - just not fake. There is a difference between illegal for copyright reasons (still theft of course) and downright fraudulent. And the photos looked genuine to me on the original link, worn maybe but okay. I'm actually totally shocked that anybody thinks they can make money by counterfeiting Carcassonne tiles. I mean you can still buy old arts base set from cundco.
« Last Edit: May 20, 2016, 05:19:27 AM by asparagus »

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Re: The Very 'Best' Of Ebay
« Reply #22 on: May 20, 2016, 05:44:48 AM »
I think everyone should, take the time to be reporting him - no action has been taken and I've seen him sell a very dodgy tunnels for >40Euros.

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Re: The Very 'Best' Of Ebay
« Reply #23 on: May 20, 2016, 06:11:23 AM »
He claims, that the Spielbox expansions (+ Porxada) are "reprints, so that they match the colour of the original game". So yes, they are not the original tiles and sticker. He also claims, that the sale is "permissioned by HiG", which is sure a lie.
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Der Verkauf erfolgt mit Genehmigung des Hans-im-Glück-Verlages.
Same disclamer is added to this auction, which also includes reprints on stickers of Wind-roses and Pigheard, so the person probably had negative experiences or at least some notifications regarding the illegal kind of these sales before.
« Last Edit: May 20, 2016, 06:22:29 AM by Hounk »

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Re: The Very 'Best' Of Ebay
« Reply #24 on: May 20, 2016, 07:47:17 AM »
I emailed HiG. However I got the following automated response:

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E-Mails an diese Adresse werden wegen Urlaub bis einschließlich zum 27. Mai nicht gelesen.

So holiday until the 27th which, I suppose leaves it to Ebay.

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Re: The Very 'Best' Of Ebay
« Reply #25 on: May 22, 2016, 01:11:50 AM »
I've send also emails to HiG about this ebay seller.

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Re: The Very 'Best' Of Ebay
« Reply #26 on: June 02, 2016, 04:20:39 AM »
I think this guy might be delusional. He had some keyflower promo tiles for sale for USD100 - i emailed him and said noone will EVER pay that, i'll give you 30 including postage (and i was really pushing the boat out there) and he said no way. They were on for a month and noone bought any of the 10 he had!

Today he puts on school carcasonne sets for nearly 100 dollars!!!! who would EVER pay that?!

you can buy them from cundco for 2.99

http://www.ebay.com/itm/CARCASSONNE-SCHOOL-Card-Expansion-Promo-Preorder-Bonus-Boardgame-die-Schule-/172226880117?hash=item281985a275:g:kl4AAOSwvg9XTz8l
must...collect...more...tiles....

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Re: The Very 'Best' Of Ebay
« Reply #27 on: June 06, 2016, 07:35:56 AM »
The only interesting thing about that ebay, is the rules list: "The School" and are in English, until now I thought the rules were only printed in German under the 'Die Schule' title.  But you can order it from Z-man's shop online.


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Re: The Very 'Best' Of Ebay
« Reply #29 on: June 06, 2016, 01:53:34 PM »
Oh my... I can't even buy an expansion not eating or drinking for two months... >:(


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