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Categorizing Expansions
« on: December 31, 2021, 06:04:52 AM »
We’ve only recently starting playing with some mini expansions (Crop Circles, Mag & Witch, Goldmines, Robbers), and we’re really loving the games.  We often remove some tiles from the base game (usually 4xRRFF + 4xRFRF; sometimes CCCC, RRRR, 2xFFFF) to maintain a low tile count.  And we have even been breaking up the large expansions into key elements (e.g. Inns, Castles, Dragon, single Trade Good) and using those as minis.

To help us decide how to keep a good balance when we mix all these together, I’ve tried to categorize the effects of the various elements of the expansions.  I thought it might be of general interest (does this already exist somewhere?), so here it is.  Feel free to comment / criticize / offer additions, etc.  I’ll update the list as needed.

Balance Feature Scores
  • Inns
  • Cathedrals
  • Signposts
  • Vineyards
  • Pennants
  • Cathars / Siege
  • Pig
  • GQ Pig Farm
  • School

New Features
  • Gardens
  • Acrobats
  • Castles
  • German Cathedrals
  • German Castles
  • Dutch/German/Japanese Monasteries
  • Wind Roses

Collections
  • Trade Goods
  • Goldmines
  • Fruit Trees
  • Sheep

Tile Connectivity
  • Abbeys
  • Bridges
  • Tunnels
  • River

Tile Draw & Turns
  • Builder
  • Baazar
  • Gifts (Take Two)

Meeple Strength
  • Large Meeple
  • Mayor
  • Barn
  • Hills

Meeple Relocation
  • Abbot (-)
  • Dragon (-)
  • Princess (-)
  • Portal (+)
  • Tower (-)
  • Wagon (+)
  • Crop Circles (+/-)
  • Das Fest (-)
  • Count (+)
  • Fliers (+)
  • Plague (-)
  • Gifts (Synod, Road Sweeper, Change on the Lie, Cash Out) (+/-)

Score Modification
  • Big Top
  • Ringmaster
  • Robbers
  • Messengers
  • Mage & Witch
  • King & Scout


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Re: Categorizing Expansions
« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2021, 12:49:56 PM »
You have a Pig Farm (pig-herd) in River II (Exp. 6), but the GQ 11 Pig Farm is just a decoration on the FFFF tile with no extra points for farmers. This was confirmed by Jay Tummelson of Rio Grande Games, the producer of this expansion.

We reflected this ruling on WICA too:
https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Games_Quarterly_11_(1st_edition)



Questions about rules? Check WICA: wikicarpedia.com

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Re: Categorizing Expansions
« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2021, 01:17:36 PM »
nooo,why I loved this expansion for that!

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Re: Categorizing Expansions
« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2021, 03:21:24 PM »
Truth hurts  >:D
But I like the fact that it is just a plain field wth nothing special, we needed that :(y)

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Re: Categorizing Expansions
« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2021, 03:47:47 PM »
nooo,why I loved this expansion for that!

You can house rule the tile is a pig-herd... you just know the truth...

I knoe that feeling with other stuff:
- Phantoms cannot be acrobats
- Ringmaster can get bonus only on features from the base game.
« Last Edit: December 31, 2021, 04:10:04 PM by Meepledrone »

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Re: Categorizing Expansions
« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2022, 06:30:51 AM »
A pig-herd is present on both the river II tile and the GQ11 tile. Officially it hasn’t been said that it isn’t a pig-herd tile. It makes no sense to say that it isn’t a pig herd tile. No one has officially denied that. The only official thing is that he said (the RGG’s guy) it didn't add any extra points: 'Yes, I am — and this is just a field — no special points for the pigs and cows in it — sorry.' I think it’s more correct to say that it is a tile with a pig-heard that doesn’t award any points. But to say that it isn’t a pig herd tile is to go beyond what it is.
It seems absurd to me a tile with a pig herd identical to that of river 2 and deny its score. It is a cowardly act and at the same time it comes into contradiction when playing with C2 and C1 at the same time ...
Let me explain, if you play with C1 and C2 halflings mixed with the rest of the C2 game, what prevails?  C1 rules or C2 rules? I think it should apply if the C2 rules isn’t stated otherwise in this case about halflings.
The same goes for the GQ11 pig herd tile. If you play with almost all of C2, the C2 rules should apply in which a pig herd awards extra points.
If you analyze both tiles of C1 you can see how it’s a copy paste of the same pig-herd ... It is like making a tile with a copy paste of a monastery and saying that it isn’t ...



GQ11 tile                                           

                                                           

River II tile                               
« Last Edit: January 02, 2022, 06:32:48 AM by DrMeeple »
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Re: Categorizing Expansions
« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2022, 07:36:14 AM »
As wrote meepledrone. Author of thisi I said that it is not pig herd tile.
But as I know everybody play it as pigherd is there counted.

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Re: Categorizing Expansions
« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2022, 08:13:30 AM »
In thos case, I don't see any difference between C1 and C2. The GQ 11 FFFF tile does not count as a pig-herd no matter which editions you are mixing. If you house rule it, you may always override the official clarification, of course.

Likewise, the River II pig-herd tile provides its bonus no matter the edition.

Maybe I am missing something.
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« Last Edit: January 02, 2022, 08:15:11 AM by Meepledrone »

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Re: Categorizing Expansions
« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2022, 09:09:35 AM »
As wrote meepledrone. Author of thisi I said that it is not pig herd tile.
But as I know everybody play it as pigherd is there counted.

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The author didn’t said that, he said that it doesn’t count any extra point that’s all. It would be absurd say that: ‘hey, do you see this pig-herd? Well it isn’t a pig-herd, it’s a cookie!’
So I understand that C1 always applies (halflings, German castles, etc) doesn’t matter if you mixed with C2 tiles ... And in C1 we have a pig-herd that does give extra points and another pig-herd that does’t give points. If you mixed with C2 tiles still applies C1 rules.
« Last Edit: January 02, 2022, 09:15:49 AM by DrMeeple »


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