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Carc Central Community => Community Rules (Meepledrone & Friends) => Topic started by: Meepledrone on December 07, 2021, 11:06:09 AM
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AB05. As indicated in the 20th Anniversary Edition rules, you remove the abbot in 2. Placing a meeple but you score it in 3. Scoring a feature. This means that, if you placed a dragon tile, you will be able to remove the abbot before the dragon moves, and you will score it afterwards. Is it correct?
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Example: The placement of the dragon tile will trigger the movement of the dragon. Since the garden is not completed, Red would be able to remove their abbot before the dragon moves, and score the points for the abbot afterwards
Notes:
* Deferring the scoring of the abbot until 3. Scoring a feature represents a change from the turn sequence included in Big Box 6. ZMG explicitly indicated that the abbot was scored in 2. Placing a meeple.
* This change would also override a clarification provided by Georg Wild in 3/2015 (please ignore the references to Messages):
The scoring occurs immediately after the Abbot was taken back (move wood phase). That means, the dragon can't eat the Abbot and the Messages gets again a scoring round. After that the normal scoring phase takes place (score finished features).
* This change also overrides the turn sequence in Big Box 6:
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Current understanding:
* After the latest clarifications about the scoring of the abbot, we are assuming the abbot is removed in 2. Placing a meeple but its points are scored in 3. Scoring a feature.
* As a result, a player may remove the abbot before the dragon moves, and score the points for the abbot after the dragon movement has ended.
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reading the rules for both, i find it most logically to be able to score/remove the abbot.
The abbot is removed and immediately scored in phase 2 "Placing Meeple"/"Moving Wood"
the Dragon moves after this phase, so the abbot could escape :)
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The issue here is that, as per the BB6 turn sequence and Georg Wild's clarification, the removal and the scoring happened immediately in 2. Placing a meeple.
Imagine my face when HiG said that no scorings happen in 2. Placing a meeple. After several months asking about all this, we see the first hints in the 20th Anniversary Edition: the scoring happens in 3. Scoring a feature. The German rules state that you first score the abbot, followed by the other features. (This conveys new questions regarding robbers... >:D)
Whatever HiG decides, they should be consistent with other scorings (let's say) triggered in 2. Placing a meeple:
* Removal and scoring of the abbot
* The scoring of an acrobat pyramid
* Fruit action scoring
* Shepherd and flock scoring
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Exactly. Officially the rule is to remove abbot before moving the dragon and then score the garden. If you play online in the official asmodee app (then HiG aproves it) with the P&D expansion with the abbot, that's how everything happens. I understand that here there is a problem of organization on paper between the differents editions and translation too… always the same….