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Title: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: Christianmocking on March 16, 2018, 04:40:58 AM
There will be a new mini-expansion available at the Spiel Fair in Duisburg, from 23-25 March!

Is anyone going?
Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: Sinscerly on March 16, 2018, 06:10:24 AM
Do you have any info about it? links would be great ;)
Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: Christianmocking on March 16, 2018, 07:27:03 AM
Do you have any info about it? links would be great ;)
No more info yet:(
Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: flipshot on March 16, 2018, 08:25:38 AM
Sort of sounds like an expansion for Over Hill and Dale, but if it is for regular Carcassonne, it sounds cool.
Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: LaPorxada (aka BigBoss) on March 16, 2018, 10:37:40 AM
no more official Infos yet, but this is the original HiG anouncement on Facebook
https://www.facebook.com/Brettspiele/posts/10156268250622299 (https://www.facebook.com/Brettspiele/posts/10156268250622299)

btw. thanks christianmocking for informing us  :(y)

Edit:
Maik63de has added the following Infos on CarcF:
https://www.carcassonne-forum.de/viewtopic.php?f=332&t=4187 (https://www.carcassonne-forum.de/viewtopic.php?f=332&t=4187)


Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: Rhoobarb2005 on March 16, 2018, 10:52:13 AM
https://cundco.de/en/detail/index/sArticle/246/sCategory/47
Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: Maj. Frost on March 16, 2018, 12:01:21 PM
It does fit über stock und stein better.
Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: Sinscerly on March 16, 2018, 01:01:33 PM
It does fit über stock und stein better.
Agree, and 6 tiles :o was this art so impressive they couldn't make more

The expansion seems nice
Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: dirk2112 on March 16, 2018, 02:11:11 PM
Carcassonne really needs to increase its infrastructure spending.  You can't just let trees grow in the middle of roads.   :yellow-meeple:
Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: Whaleyland on March 16, 2018, 02:35:45 PM
Generally, this seems like a solid expansion without much potential contradiction with other expansions. Gotta love how all the promos just have standard disclaimer now that Hans im Glück won't waste time trying go figure out how the expansion works with other expansions. That's just lazy.
Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: InTheDark on March 16, 2018, 04:38:47 PM
Carcassonne really needs to increase its infrastructure spending.  You can't just let trees grow in the middle of roads.   :yellow-meeple:
#MakeCarcassonneGreatAgain
Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: Just a Bill on March 16, 2018, 04:39:09 PM
That's just lazy.

I believe these little sets are (primarily) just marketing tools to the various publishers. They don't really see them as an enduring part of a game system in the same way that we do. That's why they don't care all that much whether they work together, whether the Festival is aesthetically appealing, whether the Wind Roses actually have any significant gameplay value, etc. These things get created primarily because the marketing department just needs another 6 tiles for Event X or Product Y.
Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: Whaleyland on March 16, 2018, 04:45:28 PM
That's just lazy.

I believe these little sets are (primarily) just marketing tools to the various publishers. They don't really see them as an enduring part of a game system in the same way that we do. That's why they don't care all that much whether they work together, whether the Festival is aesthetically appealing, whether the Wind Roses actually have any significant gameplay value, etc. These things get created primarily because the marketing department just needs another 6 tiles for Event X or Product Y.
I know, but that is still lazy. Sure a number of other games do that—how many Zooloretto 6-enclosure bonus tiles are there?—but it still is lazy. When you are literally making products just to market that product, then that is short-sighted laziness. It is an infinite cycle, too, since there are always new expansion ideas that they can make. I feel this one, in particular, could actually have been a very good basis for a full expansion, but that won't happen now because it is wasted for yet another event. Is Hans im Glück so desperate for Carcassonne sales that they have to continuously flood the market with half-hearted, low-energy, incompatible expansions? I know why they do it, and the result is the same: it is lazy marketing.
Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: LaPorxada (aka BigBoss) on March 16, 2018, 04:49:00 PM
german/english rules are now availlable on CarcF (thanks to maik63de)
https://www.carcassonne-forum.de/viewtopic.php?f=332&t=4187 (https://www.carcassonne-forum.de/viewtopic.php?f=332&t=4187)

 :(y)
Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: Just a Bill on March 16, 2018, 06:23:22 PM
That's just lazy.
I believe these little sets are (primarily) just marketing tools to the various publishers.
I know, but that is still lazy.
Absolutely, and I was not trying to refute or diminish your point. I'm agreeing with you, and pointing out what I think is a causal factor. The marketing goals help explain the laziness but they do not excuse it. Regardless of a product's reason for existing, the publisher should still strive for craftsmanship. I sure as heck would.
Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: Fritz_Spinne on March 17, 2018, 02:22:00 AM
The publisher has to take care for many more products - there are so many Carcassonne expansions with potential effects on each other so noone can imagine all those possibilities.

Let#s take the know-how of this forum: are there any questions in the gameplay with other expansions and the fruit-bearing trees?

I only see them in interaction

a) with a phantom: Do you get two fruit-tokens if you place a normal meeple and a phantom meeple on the land tile you just laid down?

b) with a flyer, with magic portals or with the Count of Carcassonne: Do you also get a fruit token if you place a meeple with the flyer or through a magic portal or from the city of Carcassonne on a land tile with a fruit-bearing tree or a land tile next to it?

And by the way: There are 4 fruit token for every land tile with a fruit bearing tree: I think it is possible to place more meeple on the up to 8 tiles of the fruit-bearing tree -what, if there isn't any token left?
Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: Klink010 on March 17, 2018, 06:10:33 AM
And by the way: There are 4 fruit token for every land tile with a fruit bearing tree: I think it is possible to place more meeple on the up to 8 tiles of the fruit-bearing tree -what, if there isn't any token left?

If my German is good enough, it seems you'll only be able to sell the fruits instead of harvesting when the tokens on the tile are gone. (although it isn't mentioned explicitly, due to lack of the harvesting option...)

The multiple meeples per tile (phantom) raises a valid question.

The flier or magic portal isn't an issue because you have to put a tile next to the tree AND place a meeple on it. (this also keeps acrobat tiles in check)
Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: Willem on March 17, 2018, 06:57:50 AM
You can only take fruit if you place a tile next to the tree  and place a meeple on that tile. I would say phantoms are a bit difficult, but id say they dont grand extra fruit.
And flyers/portals wont either, as there is no tile placed next to the tree.
Also, you can either take fruit, or sell previously harvested fruit, so even if there is still fruit, you can sell.
And id say if there is no more fruit on a tree, you just wont get any fruit, but can still sell if you want
Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: Rhoobarb2005 on March 17, 2018, 10:03:14 AM
Anywhere have this in stock?
Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: Sinscerly on March 17, 2018, 01:38:31 PM
Anywhere have this in stock?
Yes probably only at the coming events & their webshop(cundco.de).
Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: Fritz_Spinne on March 17, 2018, 03:10:13 PM
You can only take fruit if you place a tile next to the tree  and place a meeple on that tile. I would say phantoms are a bit difficult, but id say they dont grand extra fruit.
And flyers/portals wont either, as there is no tile placed next to the tree.
Also, you can either take fruit, or sell previously harvested fruit, so even if there is still fruit, you can sell.
And id say if there is no more fruit on a tree, you just wont get any fruit, but can still sell if you want

The past has shown that the reading of the rules word for word is not a guarantee for all possibilities because the publisher himself had not worked through all possibilities and later he changed the words in the rules ...

If you go through alls the expansions you get a lot of questions, beginning with: Only Meeple, and not also the other figures - and what are the differences: mayor yes, pig no? Does the dragon eat fruits, too? And so on ...
Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: Maj. Frost on March 17, 2018, 03:50:58 PM
Does the dragon eat fruits, too?

I am fruit eating dragon, hear me roar! No virgin plum can feel safe anymore.

Your question is perfectly valid, just made me giggle.
Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: Just a Bill on March 17, 2018, 04:43:12 PM
The past has shown that the reading of the rules word for word is not a guarantee for all possibilities because the publisher himself had not worked through all possibilities and later he changed the words in the rules ...

Most publishers these days no longer employ professional writers to make sure the rules are good quality. One thing that jumped out at me on this one was the silly attempt to make it seem like an exciting advantage that you can mix your trees up in a totally anti-thematic way (for zero gameplay benefit):

Quote from: Carcassonne: The Fruit-Bearing Trees rulesheet
You can choose the related type of fruit, however, it does not matter which type of fruit you put there, in terms of the game. Thus, any tree and any type of fruit may be combined!

Dumb stuff like that just makes a game look dorky. Makes me wonder if during development anyone was paying attention and asking good questions, or it was just all getting phoned in.
Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: InTheDark on March 17, 2018, 06:11:19 PM
Does the dragon eat fruits, too?
I would say no because on page 3 of the English rules for The Princess & the Dragon from Z-Man Games it says "Rule of thumb: The dragon eats all that is flesh and blood!". Since fruit is not "flesh and blood" I think the dragon can't eat it :).
Image of page:
(https://s26.postimg.cc/rqyxfojh5/zm7813_carcassonne_exp3_rules-3.png)
Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: Whaleyland on March 17, 2018, 06:16:51 PM
I think this expansion, and the Watchtowers and other promos released since 2.0 came out make it clear that any attempt to make a CAR 2.0 will require us, as the editors and contributors to that document, to make rules decisions on a de facto basis. Obviously we are not the game or expansions' creators, but statements such as those made in this rules book suggest Hans im Glück has abandoned their rule as arbiter over rules issues. I am not saying that our rulings in CAR 2.0 must be authoritative, only that we should not feel held back from interpreting rules interactions and conflicts that Hans im Glück has not addressed nor plans to address, especially regarding promotional expansions.
Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: InTheDark on March 17, 2018, 06:48:51 PM
Quote from: Carcassonne: The Fruit-Bearing Trees rulesheet
You can choose the related type of fruit, however, it does not matter which type of fruit you put there, in terms of the game. Thus, any tree and any type of fruit may be combined!

Dumb stuff like that just makes a game look dorky. Makes me wonder if during development anyone was paying attention and asking good questions, or it was just all getting phoned in.
It might sound better/make more sense in German but since I don't speak it I don't know.
Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: Rosco on March 18, 2018, 01:14:27 AM
I have just read the rules and examine the tiles and to be quite honest, I like the expansion.  It is very simple, has big scoring potential and I don't see, initially how it could get complicated with other expansions.  I think it looks like one I would use regularly. 

If the artwork gets transposed to carc 1 as well (By some talented member) I will probably have a copy for my old set and for my new set.



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Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: jungleboy on March 18, 2018, 02:53:24 AM
I have just read the rules and examine the tiles and to be quite honest, I like the expansion.

I agree Rosco. It’s the first new art expansion that has intrigued me, although I admit that I haven’t looked too closely at the other ones.
Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: Halfling on March 18, 2018, 03:56:52 AM
Does the dragon eat fruits, too?

I am fruit eating dragon, hear me roar! No virgin plum can feel safe anymore.

Your question is perfectly valid, just made me giggle.

What about blood oranges?
Title: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: supertopix on March 18, 2018, 04:37:19 AM
Anywhere have this in stock?
Yes probably only at the coming events & their webshop(cundco.de).
On cundco.de it is not available.


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Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: Fritz_Spinne on March 18, 2018, 05:05:55 AM
Anywhere have this in stock?
Yes probably only at the coming events & their webshop(cundco.de).
On cundco.de it is non available.
It will be available from March, 26th and at "Spiel doch!" fair the weekend before.
Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: Sinscerly on March 18, 2018, 05:27:46 AM
Anywhere have this in stock?
Yes probably only at the coming events & their webshop(cundco.de).
On cundco.de it is non available.

Yes it will be available in some time know online.
Probably after Spiel Doch, but we don't know yet.
Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: Decar on March 18, 2018, 07:04:37 AM
I love the trees, the closeups in the rules are lovely.  But I'm undecided how they look on the tile; they don't seem to match in quite right.  I'll have to reserve judgement until I see the tiles in person.  I love the look of the scoring mechanics, deciding to save them for later or just take the points now.
Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: Willem on March 18, 2018, 09:30:28 AM
Well, as I read it, you can take points now by taking the top token from the tile, and then you get the amount as it says in the back of that token
You keep the token in front of you
Later, you can sell these tokens for the value as stated in the rules (so for instance if there's no more tokens, you can still do something when you play a tile next to a tree and place a meeple.
Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: dirk2112 on March 18, 2018, 09:36:55 AM
I love the trees, the closeups in the rules are lovely.  But I'm undecided how they look on the tile; they don't seem to match in quite right.  I'll have to reserve judgement until I see the tiles in person.  I love the look of the scoring mechanics, deciding to save them for later or just take the points now.

I just feel the trees shouldn't be in the road.  It is ok to close a road for an event like a Farmer's Market, but to let the tree grow in the middle of the road is rather silly.  Plus the trees are by themselves.  Couldn't they have made an orchard? 
Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: Decar on March 19, 2018, 01:18:24 AM
If you compare the trees to the villages that end roads, those are some extremely big trees!
I'd expect people would come from far and wide to see them!
Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: TheDoctor_13 on March 19, 2018, 08:08:16 AM
Oooo, I like the look of this, although almost wish it was bigger. But I guess T&B kinda counts as set collection in a expansion even though its for the same good. Hope its still in stock in a few months. Kinda have to be honest, I'm a little dissapointed its not a expansion for Over Hill & Dale, seems like the pattern is only the Around the World series gets mini expansions.
Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: InTheDark on March 20, 2018, 05:19:05 AM
While I 100% agree that it is lazy of HiG to not work out the rules, I believe these expansions are good for the game because if there are more expansions there are the more ways we have to play the game which allows for every game to be different which helps prevent the game doesn't become stale.
Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: Vinçon on March 20, 2018, 06:04:33 AM
Going to snatch a set + the phantom meeples and the dull transparent ones for scoring.
Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: Rhoobarb2005 on March 20, 2018, 09:25:12 AM
Had an email from cundco today regarding when it will be released:

"they will be released next week."

Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: Vinçon on March 20, 2018, 10:53:47 AM
Had an email from cundco today regarding when it will be released:

"they will be released next week."

Nice!
Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: Just a Bill on March 20, 2018, 11:00:06 AM
The images on Cundo.com are a bit odd. The rulesheet says there are 24 fruit tokens, and this is almost certainly correct since it's a real photograph; but the punched photo shows 28 tokens, and the digital mockup shows 37. I wonder why they would go to the extra effort to make both of those product shots misleading?
Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: Rhoobarb2005 on March 20, 2018, 11:28:33 AM
The images on Cundo.com are a bit odd. The rulesheet says there are 24 fruit tokens, and this is almost certainly correct since it's a real photograph; but the punched photo shows 28 tokens, and the digital mockup shows 37. I wonder why they would go to the extra effort to make both of those product shots misleading?

Could it be that the digital shot was done before printing and it was known how many tokens would be included?

The real photo could just be that they added more tokens to make it look like you get more than you get in reality. Or maybe they just grabbed a 'rough' amount of tokens for the shot. It doesn't look like much time was spent on the shot itself.
Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: SRBO on March 20, 2018, 02:33:26 PM
Interesting new expansion, pretty "big" mini also with lots of tokens. Can't remember they ever did it like this. (Plague and the tunnel were smaller)
Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: Sinscerly on March 20, 2018, 02:51:06 PM
The images on Cundo.com are a bit odd. The rulesheet says there are 24 fruit tokens, and this is almost certainly correct since it's a real photograph; but the punched photo shows 28 tokens, and the digital mockup shows 37. I wonder why they would go to the extra effort to make both of those product shots misleading?

Could it be that the digital shot was done before printing and it was known how many tokens would be included?

The real photo could just be that they added more tokens to make it look like you get more than you get in reality. Or maybe they just grabbed a 'rough' amount of tokens for the shot. It doesn't look like much time was spent on the shot itself.
Indeed it looks like that. But I think you will have to go for the text description, where stands 24. As that is mostly the best updated thing from them.
Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: thodekey on March 20, 2018, 03:41:47 PM
Can anyone tell me what those 2 extreme large guys are doing in the shrubbery near the cherry tree?  Are those John Cleese & Terry Jones starring in Monty Python and the Holy Grail or is that the Knights who say "Ni"?? 
Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: Decar on March 20, 2018, 03:51:15 PM
One looks to have a keen interest in birds
Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: Just a Bill on March 20, 2018, 07:32:25 PM
Can't remember they ever did it like this. (Plague and the tunnel were smaller)

Actually, The Plague was the same size: 6 tiles + 24 tokens.
Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: Just a Bill on March 21, 2018, 08:11:10 AM
Back on the topic of interactions with other expansions, it seems to me there is a question with Leipzig (and it's kind of sad that they apparently already forgot that their immediately previous mini-expansion created a new road dynamic that should have been considered). Namely, are the roads that are ended by fruit trees still considered "connected" for the purposes of Leipzig?

Thematically I'm inclined to say no: other embellishments that end roads (villages and wooded areas) are still conceptually passable; but these giant trees are not passable; they completely block the road. But something tells me that's not the answer the publisher would give us, if they were inclined to answer such questions.

(https://s20.postimg.cc/52libs9jh/4fruittrees600.png)

This adds more weight to the idea that putting the trees right in the middle of the road was not a good idea. Why not just have a normal junction and the tree(s) nearby? Why create new uncertainties, for no real reason? My questions are rhetorical, but nevertheless I suspect whaleyland has the answer: lazy design for a quick marketing piece.
Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: Decar on March 21, 2018, 08:12:29 AM
Uncertaintrees :D
Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: Piet_Agoras on March 22, 2018, 02:41:10 AM
Uncertaintrees :D
;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: Halfling on March 22, 2018, 06:18:02 AM
A giant tree blocking two roads and separating two fields is as unfeasible as a crop circle, house, bazaar, watchtower or circus animal from previous offerings. To name but a few. It looks an interesting game mechanic and it is more tiles for us New Carc converts.

Bring it on.
Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: flipshot on March 22, 2018, 07:08:03 AM
Are quinces popular in Europe, because I don't think I've ever eaten one. They definitely aren't very popular in the US. I might have to see if I can get one in the produce department of my local supermarket, just to say I've eaten all of the fruit from the Öbstbaume expansion.  :P
Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: Rosco on March 22, 2018, 07:26:01 AM
Are quinces popular in Europe, because I don't think I've ever eaten one. They definitely aren't very popular in the US. I might have to see if I can get one in the produce department of my local supermarket, just to say I've eaten all of the fruit from the Öbstbaume expansion.  emoji code14]
They are usually made into quince jelly.  it is a very very hard fruit which is not good when eaten raw.  When raw the taste is good but the texture  and hardness  is not.

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Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: Decar on March 22, 2018, 07:32:33 AM
It's not as popular as in once was....much like the poor Medlar.

My Uncle once harvested his Quince tree and made about 80 pots of Quince Jam....it was Quince for days...!
Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: Just a Bill on March 22, 2018, 03:34:20 PM
After some more thought and some research in the CAR 7.4, I'd like to offer the following for consideration.

First, Carc-I wagons cannot drive through fruit trees. This is a result of the HiG 5/2013 ruling footnoted on CAR page 62:

172 The wagon cannot drive through any feature to get to another feature. Features are any aspect of the tile that can be claimed by a follower or that triggers a function, including cloisters, bazaars, crop circles, fairs, etc.

A fruit tree certainly "triggers a function," and thus it would be a feature that blocks wagon movement.

And second, this ruling also seems to be the best (only?) candidate we have available for deriving a general principle that could define whether two roads are "connected" to each other for purposes of real or conceptual movement. With that in mind, it is probably a good and appropriate way to consistently determine what roads are and are not considered connected for purposes of Leipzig. If there's an intervening city, cloister, circus, bazaar, tower foundation, fruit tree, etc. — any feature — then the wagon can't pass through and (by extension) followers also can't go to Leipzig.

While the Leipzig rules don't say this explicitly, the only example they give of two roads being connected is through a village (a "crossing" or "junction" in Carc I terminology). Since the only example given is a non-feature, that seems to more or less confirm that features would in fact break the chain. This to me seems simple, logical, and easy to apply.
Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: Fritz_Spinne on March 25, 2018, 10:23:38 PM
You can buy the fruittee expansion now at
https://cundco.de/en/mini-expansions/carcassonne/246/die-obstbaeume?c=14
Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: meepleater on March 26, 2018, 12:03:20 AM
I'm looking forward to this one, sounds like a fun little expansion!

It seems a shame though that most of the new content for CII is in the promotional expansions (Leipzig is one of my favourite mini-expansions, on par with the plague, ferries and the siege variations).
Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: Beachcat on March 26, 2018, 12:40:09 AM
I want to say thank you to you all  :)  I have just ordered this mini expansion, which I wouldn't have known about if it wasn't for this forum.  I know I don't join in with commenting, but I do very much appreciate reading all that you post.   :pink-meeple:
Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: Vinçon on March 26, 2018, 02:12:57 AM
Just ordered 1 + Transparent Meeples + Dulll Transparent + Stickers for the sake of it.

Excited!
Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: Rosco on March 26, 2018, 03:08:51 AM
I think I will finally order gold rush with this order. 



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Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: supertopix on March 26, 2018, 03:29:55 AM
You can buy the fruittee expansion now at
https://cundco.de/en/mini-expansions/carcassonne/246/die-obstbaeume?c=14
Ordered one.


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Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: Christianmocking on March 26, 2018, 06:40:58 AM
I want to say thank you to you all  :)  I have just ordered this mini expansion, which I wouldn't have known about if it wasn't for this forum.  I know I don't join in with commenting, but I do very much appreciate reading all that you post.   :pink-meeple:
You are most welcome!
Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: Vinçon on March 26, 2018, 10:21:00 AM
I want to say thank you to you all  :)  I have just ordered this mini expansion, which I wouldn't have known about if it wasn't for this forum.  I know I don't join in with commenting, but I do very much appreciate reading all that you post.   :pink-meeple:
You are most welcome!

The prime source for Carcassonne news indeed.
Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: franks on March 26, 2018, 12:27:15 PM
Ordered this and the newest mini expansions for Marco Polo and First Class!

Especially excited for the later two as well! I’m on my phone so don’t have the details on those two but they are easy to find on the site.

Cheers,
Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: Whaleyland on March 26, 2018, 02:36:23 PM
Thanks for the notice. That was sooner than I expected. I've ordered the Fruit Trees, a new copy of the tile tower (my old one is thrashed and in Arizona), 6 Abbots in the alternative colours, and 6 Ringmasters.
Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: Just a Bill on March 26, 2018, 09:23:49 PM
and 6 Ringmasters.

Wait, can you get Ringmasters in the alternate colors now? Last time I asked, they did not have them.
Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: Whaleyland on March 26, 2018, 11:46:45 PM
and 6 Ringmasters.

Wait, can you get Ringmasters in the alternate colors now? Last time I asked, they did not have them.
Probably not, but worth the try.
Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: Decar on March 27, 2018, 03:28:06 AM
and 6 Ringmasters.

Wait, can you get Ringmasters in the alternate colors now? Last time I asked, they did not have them.
Probably not, but worth the try.

Hope that's not considered: 'abusing the spare parts service'  C:-) C:-) C:-) C:-) C:-) C:-) C:-) C:-) C:-) C:-) C:-)
Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: Sinscerly on March 27, 2018, 07:07:21 AM
Just ordered 1 + Transparent Meeples + Dulll Transparent + Stickers for the sake of it.

Excited!
The stickers are very cool I still need to take the time to put them on my meeples :-[
Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: Just a Bill on March 27, 2018, 12:37:21 PM
Hope that's not considered: 'abusing the spare parts service'

Of course not. There's a big difference between replacement parts intended to restore incomplete games vs. unique new parts intended to fill out meeple sets in the extra colors. If they ever do provide ringmasters in purple, brown, etc. then there is literally nothing for those bits to replace -- they would be purposely intended to be purchased as new gamepieces.
Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: Whaleyland on March 27, 2018, 01:49:27 PM
Hope that's not considered: 'abusing the spare parts service'

Of course not. There's a big difference between replacement parts intended to restore incomplete games vs. unique new parts intended to fill out meeple sets in the extra colors. If they ever do provide ringmasters in purple, brown, etc. then there is literally nothing for those bits to replace -- they would be purposely intended to be purchased as new gamepieces.
Exactly! Hence why I'm testing the waters. Worse that can happen is they have to refund the cost of the six Ringmasters. I own Under the Big Top and want the Ringmasters in the six colours I don't already own – perfectly legit. Same with the Abbots in the other colours (granted, I don't have those in the original colours, but whatever).
Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: Decar on March 28, 2018, 08:10:39 AM
Ordering non-spare parts from the 'Spare Parts'....what ever next!  C:-)
Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: Whaleyland on March 28, 2018, 03:31:24 PM
Got an email this morning saying my order was shipped. They never contacted me to say the Ringmasters aren't available in the alternative colours. Fingers crossed that they'll be in the package!
Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: jungleboy on March 28, 2018, 03:39:14 PM
Got an email this morning saying my order was shipped. They never contacted me to say the Ringmasters aren't available in the alternative colours. Fingers crossed that they'll be in the package!

I bet you won’t get them and instead will get some random thing you didn’t order.
Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: Whaleyland on March 28, 2018, 07:31:40 PM
Got an email this morning saying my order was shipped. They never contacted me to say the Ringmasters aren't available in the alternative colours. Fingers crossed that they'll be in the package!

I bet you won’t get them and instead will get some random thing you didn’t order.
Very likely! And considering I don't know any Carcassonne players in my area, I may end up with some random junk. On the other hand, I'm kind of intrigued concerning what they may throw in. Always a surprising buying from Cundco!
Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: Vinçon on March 29, 2018, 03:55:01 AM
Got an email this morning saying my order was shipped. They never contacted me to say the Ringmasters aren't available in the alternative colours. Fingers crossed that they'll be in the package!

I bet you won’t get them and instead will get some random thing you didn’t order.
Very likely! And considering I don't know any Carcassonne players in my area, I may end up with some random junk. On the other hand, I'm kind of intrigued concerning what they may throw in. Always a surprising buying from Cundco!

From the few orders I made on Cunco (3 I guess with this last one) I always think of them as 2 guys working in a small warehouse, trying to keep up with all the emails and orders.

And an intern, there's always an intern.

It's silly, but I chuckle every time.
Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: Just a Bill on March 29, 2018, 05:02:04 AM
I'm kind of intrigued concerning what they may throw in.

Your intrigue seems well placed ... here's the response I just got from Cundco customer service this morning:

"Unfortunately the ringmasters only exist in the colors delivers with the expansion. It is planned to produce them in special colors as well but there is no production date set I could inform you about."

Here's hoping you get something entertainingly surprising.  :)
Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: Halfling on March 29, 2018, 05:42:01 AM
Buy 6 in yellow and paint them as required or sandpaper to get back to unpainted
Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: Christianmocking on March 29, 2018, 07:45:17 AM
I'm kind of intrigued concerning what they may throw in.

Your intrigue seems well placed ... here's the response I just got from Cundco customer service this morning:

"Unfortunately the ringmasters only exist in the colors delivers with the expansion. It is planned to produce them in special colors as well but there is no production date set I could inform you about."

Here's hoping you get something entertainingly surprising.  :)
Good to know!
Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: Whaleyland on March 29, 2018, 12:28:48 PM
Got an email with a voucher code to use on a future purchase. No Ringmasters in the new colours yet and no Abbot in gray. Lame.
Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: Vinçon on March 29, 2018, 01:15:38 PM
Well, I've got my haul today. I will post some pics when I get some time but this mini-expansion looks really nice.

Also, the transparent and dull meeples are awesome!
Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: Decar on March 30, 2018, 01:27:18 AM
Got an email with a voucher code to use on a future purchase. No Ringmasters in the new colours yet and no Abbot in gray. Lame.

What were you expecting?

Well, I've got my haul today. I will post some pics when I get some time but this mini-expansion looks really nice.

Also, the transparent and dull meeples are awesome!

Looking forward to a photo Vinçon!  I really like the dusty meeple sets!
Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: supertopix on March 30, 2018, 12:43:36 PM
Die Ostbaume arrived today.


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Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: Ivano on March 30, 2018, 03:24:55 PM
I received it today and tried straight after: it's a good expansion, but as many minis it can derail your game if you follow it too much. I didn't use the selling part (my opponent did), but an interesting question was raised: if a player places a tree with a meeple on it next to another tree, is it posdible to harvest from both?
We played it harvesting from both.
Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: DaFees on March 30, 2018, 11:48:43 PM
Got an email with a voucher code to use on a future purchase. No Ringmasters in the new colours yet and no Abbot in gray. Lame.

No Abbot in gray? Did they run out because last year I was able to get an Abbot in gray.
Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: robnhill on March 31, 2018, 10:54:01 PM
Are the English rules posted anywhere??
Title: Re: New mini- expansion Die Öbstbaume (the fruittrees) at the Spiel event!
Post by: Decar on March 31, 2018, 11:54:44 PM
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