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Title: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: TheSteveAllen on February 14, 2018, 05:29:15 AM
Mr Numbers did a random draw for me this morning, and I am proud to announce the fixtures of the 'Alternative' World Cup, which starts today and finished at midnight GMT on the day that the 'real' final is played.

I have broken the fixtures into three group, according to the set of expansions being used. These are:-

Using the Final Configuration

1   Thodekey v Chooselife   

2   Halfling v Rosco   256 - 381

3   Rosco v Hounk   

4   Hounk v Jungleboy

5   TheSteveAllen v Sinscerely   

6    Jungleboy v   Halfling   

7   Chooselife v   TheSteveAllen   

8   Sinscerely v   Thodekey    204 - 352

Using the Semi - Final Configuration
         
9   Thodekey   v Halfling   163 - 241

10   Chooselife   v Rosco 155 - 202   

11   Hounk   v TheSteveAllen    197 - 224

12   Jungleboy   v Sinscerely   

13   Thodekey   v Hounk   225 - 228

14   Chooselife   v Jungleboy   267 - 207

15   Halfling   v TheSteveAllen    217 - 184

16   Rosco         v Sinscerely

Using the Quarter Final Configuration
         
17   Thodekey   v Rosco   

18   Chooselife   v Halfling   

19   Halfling   v Hounk   

20   Rosco           v Jungleboy   

21   Jungleboy   v TheSteveAllen    340-303

22   Hounk   v Sinscerely   

23   TheSteveAllen   v Thodekey 236 - 322   

24   Jungleboy   v Thodekey   

25   Sinscerely   v Chooselife   300 - 248

26   Halfling   v Sinscerely   

27   Rosco    v TheSteveAllen   322 - 329

28   Chooselife   v Hounk   

Each competitor can play up to 7 matches, as given above, but must play at least 3 matches to qualify and be included in the championship table. In addition, each player must play each set of configurations (QF, SF and Final). Games can be played in any order. As usual, there is no Home or Away player, so use a random starter.

Once the first player has met these requirements, I will be making a 'league table' of all those that have so far qualified, which will be kept up to date on this thread.

The table will be according to score difference, and not according to wins (as other leagues). This should mean that the first place is up for grabs right until the very end of the tournament.

In addition to point difference, there will be a 30 point bonus for winning a match, or 30 points each in the event of a draw.

Please post the results of your games along with the game number (as given above) on this thread so that I can keep a tally at my end, and update the table.


This competition is designed to have all matches completed by the end but, given the lengths of the games, I realise that this is impossible to achieve. I only ask, therefore, that despite having a real life too, you all try to play as many of your 7 fixtures as possible.

Any questions? Please post on this thread.

Good luck to all and a big 'Thanks' for entering!

The configurations for the games are copied here:-

QF:
Traders and Builders + Abbey and Mayor + The Corn Circles + The Count of Carcassonne + GQ11 + The Phantom = 123 tiles (starting tile and 2 tiles from GQ11 are excluded).
GQ11 option "The Pig herd is present on the farm tile" is ON.

SF:
Inns and Cathedrals + The Tower + The Festival + The Goldmines + The German Monasteries + Mage and Witch = 134 tiles (cloisters from the base game have to be removed).

Final:
Traders and Builders + The Princess and The Dragon + Bridges, Castles and Bazaars + The River II + The Besiegers + The Flier + The Phantom = 163 tiles (starting tile is excluded).
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: Halfling on February 14, 2018, 07:20:08 AM
Does the winner get an entry to the champions league next season?
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: Rosco on February 14, 2018, 07:25:00 AM
I have a bit of a problem as I currently only have internet on my phone.  BT are trying to fix the problem.

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Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: TheSteveAllen on February 14, 2018, 07:30:55 AM
I have a bit of a problem as I currently only have internet on my phone.  BT are trying to fix the problem.

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I would like to say "Don't worry, there is plenty of time to play your matches". Then I realised that you were relying on BT!!  :(

Keep us posted. We will work around it.  :(y)
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: TheSteveAllen on February 14, 2018, 07:34:10 AM
Does the winner get an entry to the champions league next season?

If you come last, you get relegated to the Scottish Premiership.  :))
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: danisthirty on February 14, 2018, 09:14:20 AM
I have a bit of a problem as I currently only have internet on my phone.  BT are trying to fix the problem.

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Keep us posted. We will work around it.  :(y)

Carcassonne party at Rosco's house? O0 O0 O0    C:-)
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: Sinscerly on February 14, 2018, 09:39:02 AM
I have a bit of a problem as I currently only have internet on my phone.  BT are trying to fix the problem.

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Keep us posted. We will work around it.  :(y)

Carcassonne party at Rosco's house? O0 O0 O0    C:-)

I'll join  O0 but will take some time to get there as my public transportation pass will only get me to Belgium so I have to do the last part on bike and I have to swim to the other side of the channel  8) Or I can go find that beautiful tunnel they made :)) 
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: Halfling on February 14, 2018, 09:42:49 AM
Which version of Jcz are we using?
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: TheSteveAllen on February 14, 2018, 09:47:09 AM
Which version of Jcz are we using?

4.3.0 is the current version Richard. The only thing that we have found that does not work properly on this is the ferries, and they are not included.
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: Rosco on February 14, 2018, 03:04:20 PM
Come on round.  We can play a few games!

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Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: thodekey on February 15, 2018, 04:01:21 AM
I'll be gone from the 19th to 23th of february...but after then...bring it on!
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: TheSteveAllen on February 15, 2018, 08:32:23 AM
Is anyone thinking of getting the ball rolling any time soon? I am available later this evening or tomorrow evening (in between organising stuff for my birthday party).
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: Sinscerly on February 15, 2018, 11:23:41 AM
Is anyone thinking of getting the ball rolling any time soon? I am available later this evening or tomorrow evening (in between organising stuff for my birthday party).

Hi Steve I will be available tomorrow or this evening, but I have to finish something for school so don't know how much time that is taking as I only have 3.5 hours for that to submit ::)
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: Sinscerly on February 17, 2018, 12:42:49 AM
Anyone up gor a game today?
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: TheSteveAllen on February 17, 2018, 02:04:27 AM
Anyone up gor a game today?

Party time today for me, but tomorrow looks likely.
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: jungleboy on February 18, 2018, 01:14:33 PM
Game 21 is in the books!

jungleboy 340, SteveAllen 303

This was the QF setup with T&B, A&M, the Count, the Crop Circles and the phantom. A lot of things going on but a great combination of expansions. It was the first game I'd played with the Count in about two years, and the first time with it (obviously) on JCZ, so that took a bit of getting used to but it was fine in the end.

Steve is a Count master and he controlled most of the goings on in the City of Carcassonne, but one of the key moves in the game was me managing to complete the large city in the west without him being able to add another meeple via the City of Carcassonne. The other key factor in my favour was that I had a much better barn-farm which allowed me to win the farms despite forgetting to place my pig (having previously placed and recovered it in the barn farm) and despite Steve's best efforts to get his farmers into my barn farm for in-game farm points. We both played our abbeys pretty early for marginal benefits so this wasn't a huge factor in the game. I led for most of the second half of the game and although Steve just overtook me right at the end, I knew I had the end-game farm scoring significantly in my favour so even though Steve won the trade goods 20-10, I had enough points to get home.

Thanks for the game Steve and for setting up this tournament! 
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: Chooselife on February 19, 2018, 03:50:28 AM
I'd prefer to play between 12h30 and 14h00 (GMT) on working days, but I should be able to schedule on late evenings.

Just send a pm or pop out in the Slack Channel.
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: Rosco on February 19, 2018, 05:35:05 AM
I can play tomorrow at that time.  Chooselife - you up for it?

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Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: Chooselife on February 19, 2018, 09:54:36 AM
Sure!
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: Rosco on February 20, 2018, 05:57:23 AM
Well that was an interesting game! 

I led the whol;e way through and kept taking Pedros meeples with the tower - this was all down to lucky tile draws at this point.  pedro kept up within 20-30 points and int he closing tiles i thought he was going to take it as he completely dominated the farms.  However, the secret weapon was there lurking in the background - ON MY SIDE!  my German Monastery Abbotts brought me in a hefty 40 points and as a result i got the win. 

Thanks chooselife for a great game.  You many notice no scores from the goldmines - that was because they didnt allow us to place or collect any gold.  We decided to carry on anyway.
Chooselife started
Rosco 202   :red-meeple: - Chooselife 155  :yellow-meeple:
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: jungleboy on February 20, 2018, 11:22:06 AM
A good trick by Chooselife to a) beat me, and b) make me do the write-up. If he wasn't my postman I don't think I would have allowed either of those two things to happen.

Chooselife 267, jungleboy 207 (Game 14: SF configuration)

In a nutshell, Chooselife destroyed me on goldmines (14-0 - I have always been terrible at goldmines), and used his tower pieces to good effect early in the game. I saved some tower pieces to the end which allowed me to pick off his farmers and dominate farm scoring, but it wasn't enough. As always, I struggled with the JCZ tower implementation, not realising several times that my meeples had already been kidnapped and twice misunderstanding the line of sight and building tower pieces in the wrong spot!

Congratulations Chooselife!

Meanwhile, @TheSteveAllen, could you strikethrough the games that have been played in the original post so it's easier to see what's left?
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: TheSteveAllen on February 20, 2018, 11:36:02 AM
Meanwhile, @TheSteveAllen, could you strikethrough the games that have been played in the original post so it's easier to see what's left?

The fixture list has now been updated to include the scores of matches played so far.
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: TheSteveAllen on February 20, 2018, 03:53:15 PM
Guys - I appear to have found a small bug in the set-up for the final, which needs to be investigated.

Could you therefore please hold off playing games 1 to 8 until this issue has been resolved.



Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: Sinscerly on February 21, 2018, 06:33:54 AM
An hour ago Chooselife and I started with match 25 of this awesome AWCLeague  :))

It was a great game and Chooselife and me were constantly competing with current scores. Then he scored something then I did. And score kept staying the same.
I tried sometimes to sneak into his city but failed hard with one. You can see the shame for me at the lowest abbey. Well you can guess where Chooselife his  :yellow-meeple: would have standed. While my mayor was standing in that small city under the abbey :'(.
Halfway in the game there was only been 1  :violet-meeple: in the City of Carcassonne. In the end I was able to get another one in and put it on the marktplace, wich resulted me getting a meeple on a farm where Chooselife was standing to  >:D.

I found it an great game. Sadly to say this was my first game with Crop Cirkels, as I haven't been able yet to try them that good out at home.
But they bring a lot of fun into the game :))

The Final score was: Chooselife 248 VS Sinscerly 300
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: TheSteveAllen on February 21, 2018, 07:10:26 AM
Although nobody has yet 'qualified' in that they have not played one of each type of set up yet, I thought that it might be a good idea to illustrate the 'league table' using the 4 matches so far, so that competitors better understand how the competition works.

Scores to date and theoretical table look like this:-

(http://www.pomprint.co.uk/uploads/MyPersonalStuff/TableDemo.png)

I hope that this clarified how the scoring will work once competitors start to qualify.
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: Sinscerly on February 22, 2018, 11:03:46 PM
Sadly that I haven't qualified me. I thought with that single match I would win the hole League :'(
But I am off for a week, so if you don't get a response you know.
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: thodekey on February 25, 2018, 04:58:45 AM
Hello dudes,

Just back from a shortbreak and ready to play.  Who's available next Monday evening around 20:00-21:00 CET?
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: Halfling on February 26, 2018, 10:52:59 AM
Still up for a game tonight Thomas?
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: Sinscerly on February 26, 2018, 10:55:45 AM
Still up for a game tonight Thomas?

Hi Halfling I have only my phone and that one is not really working well in the conditions of the weather there are here(minus 21 in night and around midday -14 tommorrow). So sadly enough no. Next week I can play, will tell all when I am at home ;)
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: thodekey on February 26, 2018, 12:34:33 PM
Still up for a game tonight Thomas?

If I'm the Thomas you're asking....well...I am now but I guess you're playing against the one and only very old theSteveAllen...  ;)
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: Halfling on February 26, 2018, 12:55:27 PM
Harsh Thomas!....I ain't far behind age wise.
 :yellow-meeple: Halfling 217
 :green-meeple: SteveAllen 184

The SteveAllen was ahead the whole game and taking my poor meeples for fun.  Mid-game I was sulking.  I slowly got the yellow perils back and then got 3 standard meeples into the farm to outman the green mega meeple.  I got just the right tiles at the end.  Very Very lucky finish for Halfling.



Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: thodekey on February 27, 2018, 02:33:47 AM
Harsh Thomas!....I ain't far behind age wise.
 :yellow-meeple: Halfling 217
 :green-meeple: SteveAllen 184

The SteveAllen was ahead the whole game and taking my poor meeples for fun.  Mid-game I was sulking.  I slowly got the yellow perils back and then got 3 standard meeples into the farm to outman the green mega meeple.  I got just the right tiles at the end.  Very Very lucky finish for Halfling.

Steve -and i hope the same for you, Richard- knows i'm only trying to provoke him.  I mean no harm...on the contrary...i hope one day i have the luck of becoming part of the elderly people.  ;)
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: thodekey on February 27, 2018, 02:48:55 AM
 :yellow-meeple: TheSteveAllen 236
 :blue-meeple: Thodekey 322

After a short break by minus 30 degrees, I finally got started in this lovely competition with both young and even younger participants.  ;)
I playtested a couple of the QF-games with TheSteveAllen and he always showed himself a master in the Count of Carcassonne part, sharing or taking over cities.
That was also a part of his strategy this time.  Given the fact that we drew 4 of the 6 Crop Circle tiles in the first 10 tiles, I choose not to compete with Steve in the City of Carcassonne but trying to block his meeples inside and outside of the City and trying to trap his builder.
In the end, that worked out well.

Thanks for the game, Steve and i wish you luck and much fun in the upcoming games!
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: Chooselife on February 27, 2018, 05:46:44 AM
I'm available this afternoon.
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: Halfling on February 27, 2018, 11:07:26 AM
Anyone free to play this evening?
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: Chooselife on February 27, 2018, 12:17:31 PM
I should be online in 30m/40m
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: thodekey on March 03, 2018, 12:32:51 PM
Anyone available for a game tomorrow?  By preference between 9:00 and 13:00 CET?
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: Rosco on March 03, 2018, 02:48:01 PM
I will be online in 10 mins

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Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: Sinscerly on March 05, 2018, 12:44:44 AM
I am back from my little vacation. So I'm ready to play against all of you again. Mostly available PM to discuss a time :))
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: Rosco on March 05, 2018, 01:56:37 AM
I can play evenings this week

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Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: thodekey on March 05, 2018, 03:41:45 AM
I can play evenings this week

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What about next thursday around 20:00 CET?
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: jungleboy on March 05, 2018, 08:41:06 AM
I can probably play on Tuesday or Thursday evening this week.
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: Sinscerly on March 06, 2018, 11:41:49 AM
I can probably play on Tuesday or Thursday evening this week.

I can play now :o
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: Rosco on March 06, 2018, 12:16:04 PM
I will be available in an hour

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Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: Sinscerly on March 06, 2018, 12:18:15 PM
I will be available in an hour

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Good :(y)
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: Rosco on March 07, 2018, 01:47:10 PM
i am ready if anyone can play
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: thodekey on March 08, 2018, 02:06:00 AM
i am ready if anyone can play

I can this evening around 20:00 CET.  Anyone else too?
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: TheSteveAllen on March 18, 2018, 04:11:46 PM
After a long pause in proceedings, Match 11 finally took place tonight with Hounk and myself battling over the Semi-Finals set-up.

This game was a very evenly balanced match which I feel very fortunate to win after making several stupid mistakes. Unusually, this did not end up as a farm battle, which is always a pleasant surprise!

The result was TheSteveAllen  :yellow-meeple: 224 v Hounk  :black1-meeple: 197

Most of the interest in this game focussed on who could protect their abbots. This is a battle that I actually won, thanks to drawing the appropriate towers at the right time.

Thanks for the game Hounk, and I hope that you have equally good matches with the rest of the guys!
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: Sinscerly on March 19, 2018, 12:49:38 AM
I can play tonight or tomorrow evening, anyone from who I still need to play up for a game?
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: thodekey on March 19, 2018, 03:55:21 AM
I can play tonight or tomorrow evening, anyone from who I still need to play up for a game?

Hello,

I can and would like to play this evening.  Is starting around 20:00-21:00 CET possible for you?

PS: it's the setup for the final between us.  Is that ok or are we waiting for the debugged version?
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: TheSteveAllen on March 19, 2018, 04:42:54 AM
Just a quick update on progress. I am hoping to be make a decision about the 'Final' set-up this week, as we need to get some matches played with this configuration despite the 'Tile Duplicating' bug.

(http://www.pomprint.co.uk/uploads/MyPersonalStuff/League.png)
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: TheSteveAllen on March 19, 2018, 06:01:36 AM
I can play tonight or tomorrow evening, anyone from who I still need to play up for a game?

Hello,

I can and would like to play this evening.  Is starting around 20:00-21:00 CET possible for you?

PS: it's the setup for the final between us.  Is that ok or are we waiting for the debugged version?

Guys, it looks like you have forced a decision from me. Please go ahead and play your 'Final' games as JCZ currently stands. This is not a 'serious' competition for prizes, and is designed for enjoyment only, so I see no reason why we should not proceed with the minor bug that affects the bazaars. The program does not crash, and it will be the same advantage or disadvantage for both players, so I can see no harm in getting our 'Final' matches played with JCZ as it is.

Hope that you have as good a game as I had with Hounk last night.  :(y) I look forward to the match report tomorrow.
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: Halfling on March 19, 2018, 06:26:39 AM
Anyone available at 20:30 UK tonight?
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: thodekey on March 19, 2018, 06:35:20 AM
Anyone available at 20:30 UK tonight?

I am!  Is this a plan? :
- this evening around 20:30 UK: Halfling vs Thodekey
- tomorrow evening around 20:30 UK: Sinscerly vs Thodekey

I might be able to play the 2 games on the same evening but that might be a bit heavy...  :o
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: Sinscerly on March 19, 2018, 08:35:49 AM
Hahaha, two games one night is doable. Send me an email, if you still want when finished. Or otherwise Tomorrow evening would be also okay.
I'll probably be available from 20.00 CET. Don't forget next week that same time will be CEST ;)
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: TheSteveAllen on March 19, 2018, 09:49:32 AM
Hahaha, two games one night is doable. Send me an email, if you still want when finished. Or otherwise Tomorrow evening would be also okay.
I'll probably be available from 20.00 CET. Don't forget next week that same time will be CEST ;)

I'm not certain that you could sensibly play a 'Final' plus one other in a night, as this takes a couple of hours to play and your brain tends to get fried before the end of it, but I would be interested to be proved wrong on this!

Good luck in your matches guys and, above all, enjoy them!
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: Halfling on March 19, 2018, 02:37:22 PM
 :yellow-meeple: Halfling 241
 :blue-meeple: Thodekey 163

Halfling started and got off to a good start with lots of 4 point cities as lots of the tower tiles surfaced early.  Gold bars didn't really feature significantly, but we picked them off as we went.  Halfling captured a number of Thodekey meeples as the game progressed.  The best city went to Thodekey with a cathedral finishing it off with Halfling outmanned.  Halfling grabbed the only decent farm and kept it despite two farmers being plundered via towers.  last tile German Cathedral for Halfling added unnecessary gloss to the score. 
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: Hounk on March 19, 2018, 02:40:10 PM
Hi Halfling, Thodekey, Sinscerly. Anybody willing to proceed with our tournament game? I'll be in chat!
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: thodekey on March 19, 2018, 02:40:59 PM
I can play right now
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: Hounk on March 19, 2018, 02:43:32 PM
Great. Online server or can you host?
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: thodekey on March 19, 2018, 02:44:09 PM
online please
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: Hounk on March 19, 2018, 02:45:42 PM
OK. Password is AltWC
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: Rosco on March 19, 2018, 03:58:42 PM
I can play over the next few nights after 9 pm gmt.


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Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: TheSteveAllen on March 19, 2018, 04:07:08 PM
I can play over the next few nights after 9 pm gmt.


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Book me into one of your slots then Rosco. Perhaps Wednesday?
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: Rosco on March 19, 2018, 04:18:15 PM
Ok. Wednesday is fine.  I will get online as close to 2100 as I can

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Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: TheSteveAllen on March 19, 2018, 04:20:24 PM
Ok. Wednesday is fine.  I will get online as close to 2100 as I can

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No need to rush, I will be around for the whole evening. I am usually up until about 1 o'clock. Give me a shout on Slack when you are ready.
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: Hounk on March 19, 2018, 04:23:10 PM
thodekey vs. Hounk
225:228

Very tight game, which turned out to be a close win of my German Monasteries against thodekey's big farm. Of course I was, like most times first on the big farm, and also another one, which turned out to be unoccupied in the end, though 21 points in theory. Things like that can happen with Towers.

There had been several really tough choices with what to do with the tiles. On one occasion, I used a tower tile to finish a 30 point worth city occupied by a regular meeple of mine and the big one of thodekey, of course removing the big guy. But it would have been nice to place on two other spots, too for removing farmers. Another time, I would have been able to finish my long road with inn and improve my centre monastery by 3 points for a total of 23 points (+ potentially 7 points, if the mage would have been removed again till the end). But I did not want to connect additional oponent's farmers to the big farm. Turned out to be the wrong decision, as I lost the farm anyway. This game had some ridiculously big scoring features, and was yet decided by just 3 points. So very lucky me indeed.
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: TheSteveAllen on March 19, 2018, 04:38:27 PM
Interestingly, this match appears to be a complete reversal of last night's match for you Hounk. This time you won the Cloisters and lost the farm. This Semi Final set up seems to weigh heavily on these two scores.

Very good to see so many games being played in this competition. Remember that the 'Final' set-up is now 'live', so we can get some 'real' table positions worked out soon.
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: Halfling on March 20, 2018, 12:22:19 AM
I'll next be available on Thursday evening, if anyone wants to plan a game.
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: Sinscerly on March 20, 2018, 03:05:38 AM
I'll next be available on Thursday evening, if anyone wants to plan a game.

We can play then :) I'll be available from 20.00 CET
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: Halfling on March 20, 2018, 03:50:50 AM
Marvellous. I will get online as early as I can on Thursday.
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: TheSteveAllen on March 20, 2018, 08:10:26 AM
An unofficial update (nobody has yet played a 'Final' so there are no qualifiers yet).

(http://www.pomprint.co.uk/uploads/MyPersonalStuff/League2.png)
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: Halfling on March 20, 2018, 08:40:06 AM
Do these scores get included in our ELO rating?
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: thodekey on March 20, 2018, 03:27:28 PM
 :violet-meeple: Sinscerly 204 - 352 Thodekey  :blue-meeple:

First game in the final setup and I guess that was more my cup of tea then the SF setup...although I think Sinscerly had a unlucky time. 
Lots of things going in with all those expansions but here are those that were the real game changers in my opinion:

- While Sinscerly was building a large city with lots of trade goods in the east, I was building one in the north.  After a while I completed the city in the north with a majority of my meeples which gave me a points lead and some trade goods.  Meanwhile, Sinscerly countered my attempt to tie his city with 2 extra meeples.  I decided not to engage the city battle any further and used a castle to obtain the same points.  I was even lucky to draw the tile that closed that city resulting in sharing the points and obtaining some extra trade goods which gave me a comfortable lead in goods.
- In the end, I succeeded -by sheer luck and some more free meeples then Sinscerly at that time- in taking over the main farm as well which resulted in the exaggerated final score.

Good luck in your upcoming games, Sinscerly!

PS: we did have the bug with the bazaar tiles once (the bug where there is an auction of 2 identical tiles - in this case the normally unique CFRR tile from traders an builders where the little house near the city has its own road AND bridge over another road - I guess there were two rich, competitive guys in the same region in the southwest almost next to each other) but I don't think it was a game changer here.
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: TheSteveAllen on March 20, 2018, 04:41:30 PM
TheSteveAllen  :yellow-meeple: 329 v Rosco  :red-meeple: 322

This was yet another good battle that was unpredictable right up to the end.

Once Rosco got the hang of the Count and the City of Carcassonne, this was duly abandoned and we entered a game of Abbey and Mayor.

Good luck came to both of us in equal proportions as I glommed on to the barn field in the early part of the game, and Rosco managed to get the tile he needed to close his big city before I really got a chance to trap his mayor and 4 followers inside.

Rosco's clever trapping of my mayor in the city by using the count eventually turned out to be fruitless, as he never got the CCXX tile that he so badly needed to win him the game.

Well played Rosco! That was another excellent game for the Alternative World Cup crowd. Good luck with your other games. I hope that they are all as close as this one.
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: TheSteveAllen on March 20, 2018, 05:16:45 PM
Do these scores get included in our ELO rating?

I don't know, but it might be a good idea. We need to speak with Jere I believe. I will let you know the outcome.
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: Sinscerly on March 21, 2018, 01:42:15 AM
:violet-meeple: Sinscerly 204 - 352 Thodekey  :blue-meeple:

First game in the final setup and I guess that was more my cup of tea then the SF setup...although I think Sinscerly had a unlucky time. 
Lots of things going in with all those expansions but here are those that were the real game changers in my opinion:

- While Sinscerly was building a large city with lots of trade goods in the east, I was building one in the north.  After a while I completed the city in the north with a majority of my meeples which gave me a points lead and some trade goods.  Meanwhile, Sinscerly countered my attempt to tie his city with 2 extra meeples.  I decided not to engage the city battle any further and used a castle to obtain the same points.  I was even lucky to draw the tile that closed that city resulting in sharing the points and obtaining some extra trade goods which gave me a comfortable lead in goods.
- In the end, I succeeded -by sheer luck and some more free meeples then Sinscerly at that time- in taking over the main farm as well which resulted in the exaggerated final score.

Good luck in your upcoming games, Sinscerly!

PS: we did have the bug with the bazaar tiles once (the bug where there is an auction of 2 identical tiles - in this case the normally unique CFRR tile from traders an builders where the little house near the city has its own road AND bridge over another road - I guess there were two rich, competitive guys in the same region in the southwest almost next to each other) but I don't think it was a game changer here.

Yeah it was a nice game, not really my lucky side. But certainly very fun. :)
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: TheSteveAllen on March 21, 2018, 10:26:04 AM
Further to the two matches last night, I have now had a chance to bring the table up to date. You will see that we actually have 1 person who has 'qualified' by playing at least 1 match of each configuration so, if no more matches are played, Thodekey will be the winner by default.

Come on guys, we can't have that happening now, can we?

 >:D
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: thodekey on March 22, 2018, 01:54:40 AM
I wouldn't mind Thodekey winning this league: he's very handsome, he's highly intelligent and most of all, he's the most modest men that ever lived.   :D
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: danisthirty on March 22, 2018, 02:00:06 AM
I wouldn't mind Thodekey winning this league: he's very handsome, he's highly intelligent and most of all, he's the most modest men that ever lived.   :D

Sounds like an actual Donald Trump quote...
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: thodekey on March 22, 2018, 02:02:21 AM
I wouldn't mind Thodekey winning this league: he's very handsome, he's highly intelligent and most of all, he's the most modest men that ever lived.   :D

Sounds like an actual Donald Trump quote...

You're right Dan, I keep mixing up those 2  O0
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: Halfling on March 22, 2018, 06:05:59 AM
I mind
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: danisthirty on March 22, 2018, 06:31:25 AM
I mind

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dM8q5taj5pg
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: TheSteveAllen on March 22, 2018, 09:22:49 AM
Do we have any more games planned in this tournament? I am trying to hold off playing my last 2 matches until everyone else has had a chance to catch up a bit, as I really want to be involved in the end of the tournament which, I hope, will be the 'interesting' bit.

I would also appreciate any positive or negative feedback from players on the structure of this tournament too, as I have a feeling that this will not be the only time that a competition like this runs on CarcC.
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: Rosco on March 22, 2018, 09:43:48 AM
I am available!!

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Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: Halfling on March 22, 2018, 12:30:47 PM
 :yellow-meeple: I'm free.....
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: Rosco on March 22, 2018, 12:33:53 PM
:yellow-meeple: I'm free.....
I will be able to play in about 40 mins

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Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: Rosco on March 22, 2018, 03:04:38 PM
What a game!  The final combo is epic.  Well halfling had a good start but unfortunately for him i had a good rest of the game. 

Rosco :red-meeple:381 - 256 :yellow-meeple:Halfling

Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: Halfling on March 23, 2018, 12:20:54 AM
The final combo is tainted by the fact that I wanted to throw the laptop at the cat with over 100 tiles left.  I have another chance to get to grips with it against JB.  Here's hoping.

We found a bug that may already be known?  After laying a princess and removing a knight we were able to put a phantom knight into that city as the second part of a single turn.  This is specifically 'dirty pool' as per the notes under the phantom expansion in the 7.4 CAR.
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: Rosco on March 23, 2018, 12:50:57 AM


The final combo is tainted by the fact that I wanted to throw the laptop at the cat with over 100 tiles left.

I actually laughed out loud at that!  I do agree that it went on a long time but I know that when on the losing side even a base game can feel very long so this must have been excruciatingly long!

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Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: TheSteveAllen on March 23, 2018, 02:09:41 AM


The final combo is tainted by the fact that I wanted to throw the laptop at the cat with over 100 tiles left.

I actually laughed out loud at that!  I do agree that it went on a long time but I know that when on the losing side even a base game can feel very long so this must have been excruciatingly long!

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Guys - I would like to point out that the scoring system in this tournament was specifically designed to ensure feline safety from portable electronic projectiles, as it is the point difference at the end of the game that is important, not the win.

I believe that, at one point, Rosco had a lead of about 200 points. If this is true, from this point onwards, Halfling did the equivalent of winning a game by 45 points (and getting a win bonus of 30). Congratulations on this win Richard!!  :D

Cats should be able to rest safely now I trust?
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: Halfling on March 23, 2018, 03:37:44 AM
I did indeed play properly until the final tile and was gutted that the last crrr was not a tile that allowed any of 3 meeples to be glommed in to the big farm to reduce Roscos score by 68 points. I was never getting back to a win but respectability would have saved me a vets bill.

My wife is a cats whisker from banning me playing online.

Well played Rosco.
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: danisthirty on March 23, 2018, 03:43:08 AM
+1 merit for your good humour despite your loss. :)

Best of luck in your next game! :(y)
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: TheSteveAllen on March 23, 2018, 04:18:01 AM
With 12 games played out of 28 we have 2 players who have qualified. Any more matches planned in the near future?
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: Halfling on March 23, 2018, 04:23:28 AM
I am in therapy.
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: Rosco on March 23, 2018, 04:33:42 AM
I should be able to play during the day today and probably this evening too

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Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: thodekey on March 23, 2018, 05:47:58 AM
I am in therapy.

...and so is your cat...poor thing  >:D
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: TheSteveAllen on March 23, 2018, 05:54:43 AM
In line with recent developments in this competition, I would like to introduce a new rule that must be adhered to for the remaining games:-

No pets of any description are to be in attendance at any match played in the Alternative World Cup, unless they are suitably dressed in Hi-Viz clothing and suitable body protection (hard hats, ear defenders, work boots) and accompanied by a responsible adult.

Please ensure that this new rule is followed for all remaining games.
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: Rosco on March 23, 2018, 06:18:13 AM
In line with recent developments in this competition, I would like to introduce a new rule that must be adhered to for the remaining games:-

No pets of any description are to be in attendance at any match played in the Alternative World Cup, unless they are suitably dressed in Hi-Viz clothing and suitable body protection (hard hats, ear defenders, work boots) and accompanied by a responsible adult.

Please ensure that this new rule is followed for all remaining games.
Do children and wives fall under the same ruling?

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Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: TheSteveAllen on March 23, 2018, 06:26:30 AM
Children and wives count as responsible adults (all things are comparative).

Hope that helps?

 >:D
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: danisthirty on March 23, 2018, 06:27:36 AM
Our guinea pigs don't have wives or children. What should I do? ???
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: TheSteveAllen on March 23, 2018, 06:28:43 AM
Our guinea pigs don't have wives or children. What should I do? ???

You should tell them to get out more often. They might meet someone nice.
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: Rosco on March 23, 2018, 06:31:04 AM
This thread has turned rather humerous!

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Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: danisthirty on March 23, 2018, 06:33:33 AM
This thread has turned rather humerous!

The humerus is the (upper) arm bone. It joins with the scapula above at the shoulder joint (or glenohumeral joint) and with the ulna and radius below at the elbow joint.

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Good for you! :) :(y) :yellow-meeple: :yellow-meeple: :yellow-meeple:
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: TheSteveAllen on March 23, 2018, 06:36:29 AM
This thread has turned rather humerous!

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That is your fault for having no consideration for Richard's cat last night. I hope that you feel suitably guilty!!  ;D
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: danisthirty on March 23, 2018, 06:38:39 AM
Poor Carcatsonne... :'(
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: Halfling on March 23, 2018, 08:00:43 AM
I just failed the responsible adult test. Do I have to withdraw?
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: thodekey on March 23, 2018, 08:20:15 AM
I just failed the responsible adult test. Do I have to withdraw?

That's might be the only right thing to do...catwise-like.  The poor creature might be traumatised for life whenever it sees as Carcassonne tile or meeple   >:D
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: thodekey on March 24, 2018, 04:23:40 AM
I hereby challenge Rosco (and his cat or other pets who might make the mistake of hanging around nearby a player of this league)
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: Rosco on March 24, 2018, 05:01:42 AM
I hereby challenge Rosco (and his cat or other pets who might make the mistake of hanging around nearby a player of this league)
I can't do tonight but tomorrow after 8.30

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Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: thodekey on March 26, 2018, 01:43:07 AM
I hereby challenge Rosco (and his cat or other pets who might make the mistake of hanging around nearby a player of this league)
I can't do tonight but tomorrow after 8.30

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Hello Rosco,

Last weekend was a bit busy so sorry, i didn't react sooner on your reply.
This week, i'm available on thursday and saturday evening.  Is that possible for you?

Greetings,
Thodekey
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: Rosco on March 26, 2018, 03:07:50 AM
Should be ok. 

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Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: Sinscerly on March 29, 2018, 05:19:09 AM
Anyone today?
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: Halfling on March 29, 2018, 05:44:01 AM
I will check to see if the cat is outside....... And therefore safe.
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: thodekey on March 29, 2018, 02:00:37 PM
12 points.  That was the points difference between Rosco and me in the overall score in favor of Rosco before we started our game...and 12 points was the difference IN our game! (in my favor this time)

Overall, it was a very close game from start till finish.  In the end, the trade goods (which I collected in big amounts in the city in the NE) made the difference but needless to say it could have ended easily the other way.

Thank you Rosco for this great game and I wish you good luck & fun in the upcoming games!
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: Rosco on April 10, 2018, 12:35:16 PM
Anyone else available to play tonight?

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Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: Halfling on April 11, 2018, 02:18:15 AM
The cat won't let me play you again.
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: TheSteveAllen on May 10, 2018, 07:17:46 AM
Well the Final has now been played so, as stated, I have to draw an end to the 'Alternative World Cup'.

Unfortunately, owing to the problems that we had with JCZ, especially for the final set-up, less games were played than I imagined, but I think that all participants had a good time playing those matches that were contested.

Congratulations to Thodekey for coming out on top, and commiserations to Rosco, who was pipped at the post. Sadly, these two were the only qualifiers, probably due to not being able to play the final set-up until recently when interest had waned.  :(



Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: thodekey on May 11, 2018, 03:51:32 AM
Well the Final has now been played so, as stated, I have to draw an end to the 'Alternative World Cup'.

Unfortunately, owing to the problems that we had with JCZ, especially for the final set-up, less games were played than I imagined, but I think that all participants had a good time playing those matches that were contested.

Congratulations to Thodekey for coming out on top, and commiserations to Rosco, who was pipped at the post. Sadly, these two were the only qualifiers, probably due to not being able to play the final set-up until recently when interest had waned.  :(

Thanks Steve,
I'm pretty sure someone else would have won, if interest hadn't waned.  Nevertheless, i think it was a nice initiative to let all contenders have a taste of all rounds of the WC. So i wouldn't say no for a second edition on the WC 2018...or is it 2019?  >:D
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: Rosco on May 11, 2018, 05:21:40 AM
Thanks for organising Steve.  Well done thodekey.



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Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: TheSteveAllen on May 11, 2018, 05:27:19 AM
For info. Jere is going to include these results in the ELO ratings, so there is some consolation for everyone.

 :(y)
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: Jéré on May 11, 2018, 05:58:05 AM
For info. Jere is going to include these results in the ELO ratings, so there is some consolation for everyone.

 :(y)

Here they are! (http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=3129.msg58386#msg58386)  Cheers!
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: Halfling on May 11, 2018, 08:38:10 AM
Aha. I didn't realise the dependancy on the main comp. I was waiting for fixes!
Congrats to Thodekey
Title: Re: The 'Alternative' World Cup League
Post by: TheSteveAllen on May 11, 2018, 09:08:08 AM
Aha. I didn't realise the dependancy on the main comp. I was waiting for fixes!
Congrats to Thodekey

I don't think that anyone was too interested in who won the competition (even I didn't qualify) as long as a good time was had by all. I certainly enjoyed the variety in the games.

Despite the result, I regard it as a success.

 :(y)