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Traders and Builders
deepwoods:
3 Questions regarding Builders:
First question:
1st turn I place a follower.
2nd turn I place a builder, while at the same time completing the road or city. Therefore, the bulder is removed. As a result, I do not get my bonus turn on the next play.
Correct or incorrect?
Second question:
1st turn I place a knight in a city.
2nd turn I place another city tile with the builder.
3rd turn I place an additional city tile, but it's not directly connected to the city with the builder. I am placing it to extend the builder's city in an attempt to attach to an opponents city in a future move.
Do I get my bonus turn even though this 3rd tile placement does not yet attach to my existing city with the builder?
Third Question:
The annotated rules state - "If the road or city is not completed during the course of the double turn, the builder remains in play. The player may take double turns for as long as the road or city remains incomplete".
This sounds too bizarre. If I'm reading it correctly, I can choose not to complete my road or city with a builder and therefore, continue taking double-turns for the rest of the game. Does this mean I can take double turns anywhere I choose or are my double turns restricted to the road or city the builder is on? Up until now I always thought the builder permits only one additional bonus turn, but the above rule contradicts this.
Thank you everyone for your help
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Scott:
1. Correct, if the builder is deployed AND removed during the same turn, you do not get a "bonus turn".
2. No, you may only get a "bonus turn" by extending the city containing the builder.
3. You have misunderstood. You only get a "double turn" by extending the city containing the builder. You can theoretically extend the city with the builder every turn without ever completing the city (though in practice you will not always draw a tile with a city segment).
Carcking:
--- Quote from: deepwoods on March 15, 2013, 06:12:31 PM ---First question:
1st turn I place a follower.
2nd turn I place a builder, while at the same time completing the road or city. Therefore, the bulder is removed. As a result, I do not get my bonus turn on the next play.
Correct or incorrect?
--- End quote ---
There is no value in placing the builder in a feature you are completing on that play. The builder would come right off after scoring and return to your supply. Since the feature the builder is in was not extended while the builder was there, but rather just prior to the builder being there, an extended turn is not generated.
--- Quote from: deepwoods on March 15, 2013, 06:12:31 PM ---Second question:
1st turn I place a knight in a city.
2nd turn I place another city tile with the builder.
3rd turn I place an additional city tile, but it's not directly connected to the city with the builder. I am placing it to extend the builder's city in an attempt to attach to an opponents city in a future move.
Do I get my bonus turn even though this 3rd tile placement does not yet attach to my existing city with the builder?
--- End quote ---
In your 2nd turn you may only place the builder into a feature that you already occupy. Hopefully, that is clear as a premise to your 3rd turn.
Your description of your 3rd turn may be somewhat puzzling. I think you are saying you are extending the city containing your builder without connecting to the actual tile the builder is on? Is that correct? If that is so, then yes, you do earn an extended turn. The builder grants the extended turn when the feature he is in (regardless of which tile) is extended by you on your turn. The proximity of the builder to the extending tile is not important, only that he already occupies the extended feature.
--- Quote from: deepwoods on March 15, 2013, 06:12:31 PM ---Third Question:
The annotated rules state - "If the road or city is not completed during the course of the double turn, the builder remains in play. The player may take double turns for as long as the road or city remains incomplete".
This sounds too bizarre. If I'm reading it correctly, I can choose not to complete my road or city with a builder and therefore, continue taking double-turns for the rest of the game. Does this mean I can take double turns anywhere I choose or are my double turns restricted to the road or city the builder is on? Up until now I always thought the builder permits only one additional bonus turn, but the above rule contradicts this.
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IMO It should have been worded "The player may generate an extended turn on each of his turns that the feature containing the builder is incomplete." The extended turn is generated by extending the feature containing the builder. Keep in mind a chain reaction within a turn is not permitted. In other words, only one extended turn may be generated on any given turn.
So yes, you can have an extended turn each turn for the rest of the game if you are able to extend that feature each turn. There is no limit.
deepwoods:
Thank you - Things are clearing up. One last question.
I read somewhere that builders can be placed elsewhere on bonus turns if one of my followers occupies that road or city. In other words, I have an unfinished city with a builder and on a "bonus turn only" I can remove the builder without finishing the city and place it into another road or city that I add a tile for, that currently has one of my followers.
Correct?
Thank you.
DW.
Chuckles:
--- Quote from: deepwoods on March 19, 2013, 08:02:45 AM ---Thank you - Things are clearing up. One last question.
I read somewhere that builders can be placed elsewhere on bonus turns if one of my followers occupies that road or city. In other words, I have an unfinished city with a builder and on a "bonus turn only" I can remove the builder without finishing the city and place it into another road or city that I add a tile for, that currently has one of my followers.
Correct?
Thank you.
DW.
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This is incorrect. Once your builder is on a feature, he is stuck on that feature until it is completed. The only way you can move a builder on a bonus turn is if you complete the feature on your first turn, thereby returning the builder to you, and then on your bonus turn you add to a feature you already have and then play the builder on this feature.
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