Author Topic: Little Summer Quiz 2020 (Read 22775 times)

Meepledrone · « **on:** August 11, 2020, 04:44:56 AM »

Dear all,

Here you are a tiny quiz to entertain these summer days... I will be posting a few questions you can answer during August. All your answers are welcome.

Have fun!

Question #1:

places a tile that completes a small city occupied by him and another city occupied by

.

Instead of scoring his small city,

decides to convert it into a castle.

How many points do

and

score in this scenario?

Linkback: https://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=4749.0

Paloi Sciurala · « **Reply #1 on:** August 11, 2020, 05:40:06 AM »

If there are no other bonuses (messages, robbers, teacher etc.), then the red player receives 6 points (the city just completed) for the castle (the watchtower is applicable for the meeples placed on the watchtower tile; the red meeple it is not placed on a particular tile) and the yellow player receives 6 points for the city (3 normal city tiles; no Coat of Arms, no siege, no cathedral, not mage, no witch, no German castle, no little building, no bathhouse).
Edit: Red player receives 0 points, because of "Placing a castle does not score you any points. Instead, you score points when a neigboring feature is completed in a later turn."

Bumsakalaka · « **Reply #2 on:** August 11, 2020, 05:45:35 AM »

Well, that official rules are for Watchrowers just for basic game, so here is my suggestion

1. Yellow - 6 points
- 6 points for city
2. Red - 9
- 0 points for small city converted to castle
- 3 points for watchtover (city is converted to castle - meaple is not on watchtower anymore)
- 6 points for yellow's city

Bumsakalaka · « **Reply #3 on:** August 11, 2020, 05:47:01 AM »

Quote from: Carcassonne93 on August 11, 2020, 05:40:06 AM

... (the watchtower is applicable for the meeples placed on the watchtower tile; the red meeple it is not placed on a particular tile ...

Not true, red is on watchtower tile on city, so he will get points (I hope

)

Only thing is, in which orders are steps, if castle is converted before gaining points from watchtower, then you are right.

Meepledrone · « **Reply #4 on:** August 11, 2020, 06:21:33 AM »

Oooohhhh! You can see this tiny example has several parts moving...

Any more participants?

Halfling · « **Reply #5 on:** August 11, 2020, 06:32:12 AM »

3 for red for watchtower. Then conversation of city to castle, then 6 points for yellow. Red meeples remains on castle waiting for a feature on a future turn to be completed.

Halfling · « **Reply #6 on:** August 11, 2020, 06:57:45 AM »

The carcopedia thingy says that watchtowers are scored first, then the road/city, but we shall see when we have an adjudication from MeeplerulesgeekDrone

Meepledrone · « **Reply #7 on:** August 11, 2020, 07:04:17 AM »

Ha ha ha!

My lips are sealed for the time being... And my fingers tied.

Halfling · « **Reply #8 on:** August 11, 2020, 07:05:00 AM »

Amended my earlier answer.

carlium · « **Reply #9 on:** August 11, 2020, 09:27:03 AM »

My guess:

3 points

6 points

1. Red completes city, and scores watchtower = 3 roads around. (it is no necessary scoring a feature to score watchtowers [WICA]).
Despite red meeple decides put a castle instead of score 4 points for the mini-city, he does not score yellow castle because is the same turn [WICA ref HiG rules].
BTW, http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Bridges,_Castles_and_Bazaars#cite_note-13 is not very clear to me: "This reference to "a later turn" should be interpreted as a later round"
If HiG rules explicitly said "later turn", why should we interpret later turn as "round"?

2. Yellow scores city = 6 points

Windekind · « **Reply #10 on:** August 11, 2020, 10:22:30 PM »

= 9

= 6

When I follow the 'Scoring During Turn Sequence'.
- First you have the watchtower that you count. 3 surrounding roads around the watchtower, 3 points.
- Then you have the converted city to castle that takes 6 points from

.

Yellow only scores his city.

---
I change my answer. By better reading the rules of the game. I discovered that when you place the castle, you have to wait a turn before you can score. This means that the city of yellow cannot be scored by red.

- score only the watchtower: 3 points

- Yellow scores only his city. 6 points
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Bumsakalaka · « **Reply #11 on:** August 12, 2020, 01:19:00 AM »

I updated my answer and here is reason:
1. When scoring small city, player can choose, if small city will score 4 points or small city is converted to castle and get 0 points.
2. When scoring city or road with watchtower and meeple is on tile with watchtower, then watchtower is scored first.

Steps for rules 1+2 together:
1. If finishing small city with watchtower - score watchtower first - red gets 3 points for road tiles arround watchtower
2. Red convert small city to castle - ret gets 0 points
3. City with yellow meeple is finished - yelow gets 6 points

Rules for Watchtowers send scoring of watchtower before scoring of cities (and converting city to castle is in scoring phase of city).

And this is another questionable part:
4. City arround castle was finished, but castle was not yet established in that time - so castle rule is not applying in this turn