Author Topic: Thoughts on converting C2 tiles to C1 artwork style (Read 25936 times)

Mystique · « **Reply #15 on:** July 27, 2017, 12:46:13 AM »

How can you message a user that is not your friend or have nor accepted your invite yet? Had a user send me a message while also sent an invite notif...thanks guys.

Btw...artwork seems alright looking. I never really like change because you usually get used to the original look first, like when you watch a multi-movie main character then they change them to someone else.

Btw this forum really makes you work for your replies lmao!

Mystique · « **Reply #16 on:** July 27, 2017, 12:49:46 AM »

Quote from: Mystique on July 27, 2017, 12:46:13 AM

How can you message a user that is not your friend or have nor accepted your invite yet? Had a user send me a message while also sent an invite notif...thanks guys.

Btw...artwork seems alright looking. I never really like change because you usually get used to the original look first, like when you watch a multi-movie main character then they change them to someone else.

Btw this forum really makes you work for your replies lmao!

P.s. this is for carcassone online app for android through google play

Willem · « **Reply #17 on:** July 27, 2017, 02:10:29 AM »

I have got my C1 collection about as complete as i can/want, and i have all the C2 expansions as well, that we sometimes use in our C1 games. I must say i have admitted to ordering a C2 game, and the 2017 big box is looking very seductive at me...
But we will probably play the versions separate, mixing in sometimes if we want certain expansions. We do this with the winter edition (sometimes) already

Just a Bill · « **Reply #18 on:** July 27, 2017, 07:37:46 PM »

My "C1 Converter" attempt at Acrobat tiles

Again, I have too many elements here. Just spamming the tile to see what does and doesn't look good. I did this acrobat tile first so I could start to find out whether or not I can live with my hacked garden symbol. The jury's still out....

ARabidMeerkat · « **Reply #19 on:** July 28, 2017, 01:35:59 PM »

Just A Bill... This is brilliant! Merit for you!

Safari · « **Reply #20 on:** July 31, 2017, 03:23:08 PM »

Hi guys,

I just found out about your converting discussion here. Several weeks ago CarcF could stipulate an agreement with HiG about doing conversions between classic Carc and Carc II. Beforehand we had a long discussion if we could comit a copyright infringement when we convert real expansions, especially if we talk about big ones. So in order to be on the safe side PresetM negotiated an agreement with HiG.

It consists of eight points and you can find it here (unfortunatlely only in German and for registered users) if you want to read it. The most important point is that we are only allowed to do two conversions per half year and have to inform HiG about our conversion plans. Also the final version of the expansion has to be approved by the publisher. There are even some restraints on where the expansions can be downloaded afterwards and where we are allowed to create them. At the moment I'm not sure if the agreement also includes conversions done here on CarcC, but I'm afraid the publisher only wants to see conversion projects on CarcF.

I just wanted to inform you, in order that CarcC is on the safe side. I wouldn't like it if we got problems with HiG.

Nevertheless, congrats to your great conversion attempts Just a Bill! They look gorgeous! Also congrats to CarcCZ member Chmura for his attempt (also if the squares look a bit too corn fieldish for me

) I also uploaded what came out during the conversion discussion on CarcF.

If it is really the case that HiG only allows conversion projects on CarcF, I'd love to see all you creative heads, who are interested in helping to do a high quality job (another condition in the agreement), on CarcF!

DaFees · « **Reply #21 on:** July 31, 2017, 07:14:57 PM »

Merit to you Safari for the informative post. I've tried my hand printing some of the fan made conversions and while they were serviceable the quality definitely varied from one conversion to the next. Part of that may have been the fault of my printing process but either way I find the prospect of these conversions having some standardization on some level exciting.

Now I could probably try to read the discussion on CarcF but I'll ask my questions here so members here can benefit. Do the conversions only include CC2 to CC1 or what about conversions to the winter edition? Also do the rules say anything about single tile promos/expansions like the Spiel tiles? I mean would converting all the Spiel promo tiles count as one of the two biannual conversions or would each tile count as one of the conversions?

Decar · « **Reply #22 on:** August 01, 2017, 04:52:00 AM »

Thanks for the informative post Safari, I thought this was the case. Please could people remove their images from the above posts until we've conformed with the publishers request.

Safari · « **Reply #23 on:** August 02, 2017, 10:36:28 AM »

PresetM informed me that the agreement is only valid for CarcF, so unfortunately converting expansions somewhere else is considered against the rules. If you want to make conversions also here on CarcC, according to PresetM you need your own agreement with HiG. But he is afraid that HiG might not like to see more than two conversions per half a year, and therefore it might not want to sign a second agreement.

However, both, PresetM and I, would be delighted if you joined the conversion work that will take place on CarcF. Especially if I look at the great work of Just a Bill, I'm sure it would be a pitty, if we missed out on your tallent!

The agreement doesn't say anything about which conversions are included. Sure, the intention was Carc II to classic Carc and vice versa, but it might be interpretet in another way in the future. This is why we paused all conversion projects in any direction at the moment.

Since we have to propose a conversion project to HiG before we are allowed to start the work on it, I guess one proposal for conversion counts as one regardless of the tiles the expansion contains. The publisher already accepted a conversion by PresetM that contained all the Abbot tiles from the new artwork, so I guess if we propose a conversion of the expansion "Spiel tiles", this will be counted as one conversion either.

danisthirty · « **Reply #24 on:** August 02, 2017, 02:12:22 PM »

Hmm. So now we are in the situation where members of CarcF and permitted to do something that we at CarcC are not? With the upmost respect for all those involved, that stinks...

aenima · « **Reply #25 on:** August 02, 2017, 02:22:46 PM »

Quote from: danisthirty on August 02, 2017, 02:12:22 PM

Hmm. So now we are in the situation where members of CarcF and permitted to do something that we at CarcC are not? With the upmost respect for all those involved, that stinks...

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Decar · « **Reply #26 on:** August 03, 2017, 02:33:43 AM »

Given that Carcassonne Central, doesn't have a process or policy in place to verify fan-expansions, I can't see how Carcassonne Central would even be considered by the publisher as an organised entity anyway. We have no Quality Control Process, HiG want to ensure that even fan-expansions meet their undefined quality criteria

aenima · « **Reply #27 on:** August 03, 2017, 02:49:18 AM »

sure, but Carcassonne Central is international; Carcassonne Forum is only german...
teorically from here there are more fanmade stuffs that come out that could be permiddet, approvated or...

Decar · « **Reply #28 on:** August 03, 2017, 03:06:27 AM »

We are not an organisation and as such we cannot have an agreement with HiG. If I agree something with HiG that agreement doesn't apply to you aenima

As you said Carcassonne Central is open to everyone

wolnic · « **Reply #29 on:** August 03, 2017, 04:58:44 AM »

And my interpretation is that this only applies to reproducing expansions that have already been published by HiG (and others such as Z-Man?) (but in the other style), not alternative tiles/ideas such as most of the fan expansions.