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Bug report: Pig Herd bonus
« on: April 30, 2015, 04:18:01 AM »
Currently, the pig herd bonus is incorrectly implemented in JCZ as its effect (+1 per city when scoring farms) should only apply when Traders and Builders expansion is in play. The house rule (ie. Pig herd bonus always applied) could be an option that one could turn on/off. Off should be the default value.

I believe that the confusion comes from the fact that the rules of the expansion "Graf, König und Konsorten" has been splitted in the CAR (makes sense because this expansion is some sort of compilation after all), which makes it a bit unclear, somehow... although the following sentence (taken from "Graf, König und Konsorten" rules)  in the River II section of the CAR is pretty explicit: "If you don't possess the relevant expansions, the inn, volcano, and pig-herd tiles have no particular significance."

Note 178 in CAR 7.3, which states that "there seems to be no reason why you couldn’t use the pig-herd without having the pig, since they are scored independently. In fact, the ZMG version of the rules leaves out “pig-herd tile” in this sentence, suggesting that they agree" is a house rule (house icon and blue font) which, as I mentioned, could become an option in JCZ.




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Re: Bug report: Pig Herd bonus
« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2015, 05:40:05 AM »
Is it wrong for me enjoying reading this post?

I don't know why but this was, in most sincere, an interesting read. Maybe I am working too much.  :o

Added: I agree that it should be choice by players, even in JCZ, but there it should state which option is the real rule.
« Last Edit: April 30, 2015, 05:42:06 AM by Paul »
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Re: Bug report: Pig Herd bonus
« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2015, 05:52:46 AM »
Is it wrong for me enjoying reading this post?

I don't know why but this was, in most sincere, an interesting read. Maybe I am working too much.  :o

It was already discussed once in this thread. Now Jéré just made an official bug report.
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Bug report: Pig Herd bonus
« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2015, 06:04:13 AM »
Is it wrong for me enjoying reading this post?

I don't know why but this was, in most sincere, an interesting read. Maybe I am working too much.  :o

It was already discussed once in this thread. Now Jéré just made an official bug report.

Yes, this is the intention. After that the developper will decide what to do: implement/fix or not. At least now it is officially a known issue.

EDIT:  ...and at the end, I believe that JCZ will benefit from having this extra option as opposed to the iOS version which simply offers a strict implementation of the german (HiG) rules.
« Last Edit: April 30, 2015, 06:35:47 AM by Jéré »

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Re: Bug report: Pig Herd bonus
« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2015, 10:47:53 AM »
Is it wrong for me enjoying reading this post?

Don't know about you but I've never been so ap-Paul-ed.   :o
« Last Edit: April 30, 2015, 10:53:39 AM by Carcking »
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Re: Bug report: Pig Herd bonus
« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2015, 04:45:55 PM »
Is it wrong for me enjoying reading this post?

Don't know about you but I've never been so ap-Paul-ed.   :o
Sounds like a bunch of Paul-itics to me.

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Re: Bug report: Pig Herd bonus
« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2015, 02:45:13 AM »
keep this in mind

probably change it together with https://github.com/farin/JCloisterZone/issues/62

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Re: Bug report: Pig Herd bonus
« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2015, 11:13:48 AM »
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It never made any sense to me why one tile should work and one shouldn't.  RGG's ruling on the GQ11 tile is just dumb.  Why copy the artwork and not the rule?  IMHO (for what it's worth), it should always be on, or always be off. 
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Re: Bug report: Pig Herd bonus
« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2015, 08:10:44 PM »
[soapbox]
It never made any sense to me why one tile should work and one shouldn't.  RGG's ruling on the GQ11 tile is just dumb.  Why copy the artwork and not the rule?  IMHO (for what it's worth), it should always be on, or always be off. 
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100% - what CK said...  :(y)

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Re: Bug report: Pig Herd bonus
« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2015, 03:20:44 AM »
my idea for some future version is use tile w/ a wo/ artwork depending on rule. I could avoid confusions.

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Re: Bug report: Pig Herd bonus
« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2015, 05:04:06 AM »
I like this idea. The Coding Monkeys (developers of iOS version) often get these questions on their facebook/twitter accounts:


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Re: Bug report: Pig Herd bonus
« Reply #11 on: May 24, 2015, 07:07:39 AM »
That must be frustrating, fighting over such a long road with three meeples, and than not getting, what you expect, because of not knowing that rule.

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Re: Bug report: Pig Herd bonus
« Reply #12 on: May 24, 2015, 07:32:35 AM »
yes but there is an Inn on the Lake on the tile with the bridge.  This is a problem when features "leak over" from one expansion to another.  I am sure this must be explained in the S-CAR but I am not sure where.

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Re: Bug report: Pig Herd bonus
« Reply #13 on: May 24, 2015, 07:45:20 AM »
If you don't possess the relevant expansions, the inn, volcano, and pig-herd tiles have no
particular significance.


In the current version (7.4) on page 80.

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Re: Bug report: Pig Herd bonus
« Reply #14 on: May 24, 2015, 08:04:24 AM »
If you don't possess the relevant expansions, the inn, volcano, and pig-herd tiles have no
particular significance.


In the current version (7.4) on page 80.

This only refers to possessing the expansion, it makes no comment about actually playing with it in the current game (loophole)  :@


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