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Carc Central Community => Online Games and Competitions => JCloisterZone FAQ, Suggestions & Bug Reports => Topic started by: Jéré on April 30, 2015, 04:18:01 AM
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Currently, the pig herd bonus is incorrectly implemented in JCZ as its effect (+1 per city when scoring farms) should only apply when Traders and Builders expansion is in play. The house rule (ie. Pig herd bonus always applied) could be an option that one could turn on/off. Off should be the default value.
I believe that the confusion comes from the fact that the rules of the expansion "Graf, König und Konsorten" has been splitted in the CAR (makes sense because this expansion is some sort of compilation after all), which makes it a bit unclear, somehow... although the following sentence (taken from "Graf, König und Konsorten" rules) in the River II section of the CAR is pretty explicit: "If you don't possess the relevant expansions, the inn, volcano, and pig-herd tiles have no particular significance."
Note 178 in CAR 7.3, which states that "there seems to be no reason why you couldn’t use the pig-herd without having the pig, since they are scored independently. In fact, the ZMG version of the rules leaves out “pig-herd tile” in this sentence, suggesting that they agree" is a house rule (house icon and blue font) which, as I mentioned, could become an option in JCZ.
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Is it wrong for me enjoying reading this post?
I don't know why but this was, in most sincere, an interesting read. Maybe I am working too much. :o
Added: I agree that it should be choice by players, even in JCZ, but there it should state which option is the real rule.
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Is it wrong for me enjoying reading this post?
I don't know why but this was, in most sincere, an interesting read. Maybe I am working too much. :o
It was already discussed once in this thread (http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=1652.0). Now Jéré just made an official bug report.
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Is it wrong for me enjoying reading this post?
I don't know why but this was, in most sincere, an interesting read. Maybe I am working too much. :o
It was already discussed once in this thread (http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=1652.0). Now Jéré just made an official bug report.
Yes, this is the intention. After that the developper will decide what to do: implement/fix or not. At least now it is officially a known issue.
EDIT: ...and at the end, I believe that JCZ will benefit from having this extra option as opposed to the iOS version which simply offers a strict implementation of the german (HiG) rules.
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Is it wrong for me enjoying reading this post?
Don't know about you but I've never been so ap-Paul-ed. :o
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Is it wrong for me enjoying reading this post?
Don't know about you but I've never been so ap-Paul-ed. :o
Sounds like a bunch of Paul-itics to me.
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keep this in mind
probably change it together with https://github.com/farin/JCloisterZone/issues/62
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It never made any sense to me why one tile should work and one shouldn't. RGG's ruling on the GQ11 tile is just dumb. Why copy the artwork and not the rule? IMHO (for what it's worth), it should always be on, or always be off.
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It never made any sense to me why one tile should work and one shouldn't. RGG's ruling on the GQ11 tile is just dumb. Why copy the artwork and not the rule? IMHO (for what it's worth), it should always be on, or always be off.
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100% - what CK said... :(y)
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my idea for some future version is use tile w/ a wo/ artwork depending on rule. I could avoid confusions.
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I like this idea. The Coding Monkeys (developers of iOS version) often get these questions on their facebook/twitter accounts:
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That must be frustrating, fighting over such a long road with three meeples, and than not getting, what you expect, because of not knowing that rule.
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yes but there is an Inn on the Lake on the tile with the bridge. This is a problem when features "leak over" from one expansion to another. I am sure this must be explained in the S-CAR but I am not sure where.
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If you don't possess the relevant expansions, the inn, volcano, and pig-herd tiles have no
particular significance.
In the current version (7.4) on page 80.
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If you don't possess the relevant expansions, the inn, volcano, and pig-herd tiles have no
particular significance.
In the current version (7.4) on page 80.
This only refers to possessing the expansion, it makes no comment about actually playing with it in the current game (loophole) :@
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You're right, so since I&C & T&B are "possessed by" (=included in) JCZ, there really is no point, why the rules should not be applied. 8)
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The Inn on the Lake is such a nice graphic addition to the game that it is understandable why they were tempted to slip one onto the river II
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official rules for the river II:
When you play without the corresponding expansions, the inn on the lake, the pig herd, and the volcano have no effect.
The pig herd tile:
This bonus is in addition to the normal pig bonus for the Traders&Builders expansion.
This rule is also in the rules from the "Graf, König und Konsorten" 2007 - also in the rules for the "Müller Box" 2013 - HiG.
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Zman Games Rule (Count, King&Robber - 2013):
This bonus is in addition to the bonus provided by the pig found in the Traders&Builers expansion
If you are playing without the corresponding expansions, the inn and the volcano pictured on the following tiles are ignored
Here we don't have the pig herd (ZMG: pigsty) excluded...
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Hmm - I have to ask if someone has a newer rule from HiG.
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I don't think that the pig heard tile is attached to any particular expansion though since there are only two, one in the River II and the other in GQ11. Therefore, officially, I don't see how the River II pig herd should ever be inactive.
Edit: I see now that it was written into the rules to only be included with T&B, but that rule doesn't make any more sense than RGG's original prohibition of the GQ11 tile. I think Z-Man has it right and since they are the U.S. publisher now, it would make sense (at least in the U.S.) that their rule (or perhaps the implied ruling) should be official.
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It might not make sense, but it is never the less the official rule by HiG. Actually, as a house rule, I would even make the inns from River II or B,C&B count, if not playing with I&C. (To be honest, all games I played on table had been with I&C yet.) Why not? The rules are easy enough, don't cause headache with other expansions, everybody is aware, what to do with this tiles. And they are not outbalanced, it there are only one or two of them in the game. ANd yes, I would also play with pig heard.