Do you recognise this start tile?

[Challa007]

Hi,
someone on ebay-kleinanzeigen is wondering about a start tile.
For me it looks like a fan expansion but I do not know it.
Does anybody here has an idea from what fan expansion this is?  @wolnic ?
Thanks in advance.

https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-anzeige/carcassonne-fans-bitte-um-hilfe/2396148366-23-6018



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[oldbonz]

it looks like a big fat spot licked by a cat

[wolnic]

Does anybody here has an idea from what fan expansion this is?  @wolnic ?

It's not something that springs to mind immediately, not that I've looked at all of the fan expansions. I have searched through the Expansion Finder on WICA for anything with a 4x3 tile block, and the only one I've never seen an image of is "The Holy Grail" by Friederich Scholta. Since that's a "lost" expansion I'm not aware of anyone here who would know for sure - a few of us have been trying to find details for a long time, now. Maybe some of the long-time members of CarcF (who are reluctant to speak of that time) may know. However, the description we have pieced together for "The Holy Grail" states ...

As players complete features on the board, their followers are held in a fortress (scoring an increasing number of points) but must wait until they are replaced by the next to complete a feature; apart from the last who remains until the end of the game!

Maybe you've just found, for us, our Holy Grail! +1 merit from me!

[wolnic]

I've gone back to the document I created for all the Lost Expansions (originally this was for expansions mentioned on carcassonne.nl, an early Carcassonne fan site), and the notes for The Holy Grail lead me to be (almost) 100% sure that this is the start block from that expansion. Sample images, for the descriptions below, were missing in the original source.

If black completes this city, he gets 8 points for it, (3 city pieces + 1 shield)*2. The freed knight is placed in the Montsegur fortress on the first scoring space. Black receives an additional 2 points for this. The black knight must remain in the fortress until he or another player places a new knight in the fortress.

If, for example, the road is finished by red, red gets 2 points for his road. The red serf is placed on the next valuation square (red gets another 4 points for this) and the black knight goes back to its owner.

The monastery is also occupied differently: If the meadow adjacent to the monastery is placed another meadow tile (in this case with a city part), one cannot place a farmer on it, but a monk may be placed in the monastery.

Red gets 9 points for completing the monastery, must place his knight on the next valuation space in the fortress and receives (in this example) an additional 10 points.

The serf, who enters the fortress on the last valuation square (14 points), remains there until the game ends. So it is decisive when a road, city or monastery is finished. The longer a player waits, the more points he gets for his knight in the fortress, with, however, the risk that he will reach the last square and not get his serf back.

[Schwebels]

It kinda looks like the back of a points board

[Snearone]

I've gone back to the document I created for all the Lost Expansions (originally this was for expansions mentioned on carcassonne.nl, an early Carcassonne fan site), and the notes for The Holy Grail lead me to be (almost) 100% sure that this is the start block from that expansion. Sample images, for the descriptions below, were missing in the original source.

That's it! It all adds up, including the 14 valuation square and the cloister.
Excelent work +1 @wolnic 

[Challa007]

Wow, great work @wolnic !! +1 merit from me, too!!

I have written the name of the expansion to the person and now the corresponding rules have been found. Here is the picture 

One less lost expansion ... 

[KlausiMausi]

The assessment of wolnic seems correct to me.

Under the title "The Holy Grail of Scholta" I found documents with this graphic in my archive.

Unfortunately, I have no rules but three more starting cards. Everything is attached.

[wolnic]

I have written the name of the expansion to the person and now the corresponding rules have been found. Here is the picture 

Excellent work @Challa007, and many thanks for doing this. I will update the "Lost Expansions" document in due course. It's still "lost" of course, but at least we have the pictures to go with the text I had. And thanks to @KlausiMausi for his info adding to what we know.

[Challa007]

here now the missing second page ... 

[wolnic]

Many thanks, again, for this final piece, Challa007