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Official Rules / Over Hill and Dale: Stables Scoring
« on: October 29, 2024, 03:40:56 AM »
Hi all,
So I was teaching Over Hill and Dale last night to someone I've played a lot of other Carcassonnes with and when I got to explaining the Stables they asked me the following question "Do the animals that stables score have to be both in the catchment area (tile and adjacents) and within the same pasture area? Or can the animals still be scored even if they are seperated from a stable by a road but are still within the stables' catchment area?".
I have always played the latter, that features don't interupt scoring animals - however her question did make me do a double check of the rules which was not as conclusive on this issue as it perhaps could be. The ZMAN rules read "For each stable, count the animals on the tile the stable occupies and the 8 tiles that surround it. Count every animal (rooster, cow, horse, sheep, and pig) on these 9 tiles. Each animal is worth 1 point". Whilst this seems clear enought that all animals score regardless of interuptions to the pasture - their accompanying diagram only has animals depicted in the same pasture as the stable with none seperated by roads/fields. A quick search of the forum and WICA didn't provide further clarity. So that leads me directly onto my rule question. Do animals seperated by roads/feilds still count for stable scoring? It certainly *feels* more Carcassonne to have them also have to be within the same pasture - but the rules lean the other way. I took a quick picture from our game to help demonstrate the question. Would the RED stable score 13 Points (shown on Farm 1) or 12 Points (shown on Farm 2) at the end of the game?
Thanks in advance! As I said I'm 99% certain it would score as shown in Farm 1 - but doesn't hurt to double check these things!
So I was teaching Over Hill and Dale last night to someone I've played a lot of other Carcassonnes with and when I got to explaining the Stables they asked me the following question "Do the animals that stables score have to be both in the catchment area (tile and adjacents) and within the same pasture area? Or can the animals still be scored even if they are seperated from a stable by a road but are still within the stables' catchment area?".
I have always played the latter, that features don't interupt scoring animals - however her question did make me do a double check of the rules which was not as conclusive on this issue as it perhaps could be. The ZMAN rules read "For each stable, count the animals on the tile the stable occupies and the 8 tiles that surround it. Count every animal (rooster, cow, horse, sheep, and pig) on these 9 tiles. Each animal is worth 1 point". Whilst this seems clear enought that all animals score regardless of interuptions to the pasture - their accompanying diagram only has animals depicted in the same pasture as the stable with none seperated by roads/fields. A quick search of the forum and WICA didn't provide further clarity. So that leads me directly onto my rule question. Do animals seperated by roads/feilds still count for stable scoring? It certainly *feels* more Carcassonne to have them also have to be within the same pasture - but the rules lean the other way. I took a quick picture from our game to help demonstrate the question. Would the RED stable score 13 Points (shown on Farm 1) or 12 Points (shown on Farm 2) at the end of the game?
FARM 1: 13 Points
FARM 2: 12 Points
Thanks in advance! As I said I'm 99% certain it would score as shown in Farm 1 - but doesn't hurt to double check these things!