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Green Builder:
This is a re-creation of a scenario that happened last night during a game.



Blue :blue-meeple: throws the dice and gets 1, so his abbot flies on the monastery that is already occupied by the blue meeple. Now my question: can the two figures be treated separately, that is, for example, by removing the abbot first, getting points for it, and then getting point for the monastery again when it gets completed (since the blue normal meeple is still on it)? I expect the answer to be YES since I can't find anything in the rules telling me otherwise but we'd like to be certain

In the actual game, both the abbot and the normal meeple remained on the monastery until this got completed, so Blue :blue-meeple: got 18 points. I expect this to be also a legal outcome.

Last doubt: can ANOTHER figure (from the same player or another) be placed on the same monastery by using another flying machine? Is there a limit on how many figures can stay on the same feature/tile?

Linkback: https://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=6315.0

Meepledrone:

--- Quote from: Green Builder on March 12, 2023, 04:00:23 AM ---This is a re-creation of a scenario that happened last night during a game.



Blue :blue-meeple: throws the dice and gets 1, so his abbot flies on the monastery that is already occupied by the blue meeple. Now my question: can the two figures be treated separately, that is, for example, by removing the abbot first, getting points for it, and then getting point for the monastery again when it gets completed (since the blue normal meeple is still on it)? I expect the answer to be YES since I can't find anything in the rules telling me otherwise but we'd like to be certain

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Yes, you could remove the abbot while the monastery is uncompleted and score for it and later score the monastery with the normal meeple when it is finally completed or at the end of the game as usual.


--- Quote from: Green Builder on March 12, 2023, 04:00:23 AM ---In the actual game, both the abbot and the normal meeple remained on the monastery until this got completed, so Blue :blue-meeple: got 18 points. I expect this to be also a legal outcome.

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In this case, leaving both figures on the monastery until it is completed would not give you extra points. A monastery follows the same majority rules as any other feature with multiple meeples occupying it. Therefore, Blue :blue-meeple: would only score 9 points.


--- Quote from: Green Builder on March 12, 2023, 04:00:23 AM ---Last doubt: can ANOTHER figure (from the same player or another) be placed on the same monastery by using another flying machine? Is there a limit on how many figures can stay on the same feature/tile?

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Yes, you can add additional meeples to a monastery by using flying machines. The expansion does not define any limits, the same as the Synod or th Change Position gift cards (The Gifts) or the equivalent Change Position card for monasteries in The Christmas Present.

* The Gifts: https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Gifts#Opening_a_gift
* The Christmas Present: https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Christmas_Present#Roadside_deck

However, other expansions such as the 20th Anniversay Expansion defines a limit -you can only add one meeple to an existing one with this mechanic.

* 20th Anniversary Expansion: https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/20th_Anniversary_Expansion#2._Placing_a_meeple

Green Builder:

--- Quote from: Meepledrone on March 12, 2023, 04:46:11 AM ---

--- Quote from: Green Builder on March 12, 2023, 04:00:23 AM ---In the actual game, both the abbot and the normal meeple remained on the monastery until this got completed, so Blue :blue-meeple: got 18 points. I expect this to be also a legal outcome.

--- End quote ---

In this case, leaving both figures on the monastery until it is completed would not give you extra points. A monastery follows the same majority rules as any other feature with multiple meeples occupying it. Therefore, Blue :blue-meeple: would only score 9 points.

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Oh right! Good thing Blue :blue-meeple: didn't win by 9 point then ;D Thank you for the clarification!

NGC 54:

--- Quote from: Meepledrone on March 12, 2023, 04:46:11 AM ---However, other expansions such as the 20th Anniversay Expansion defines a limit -you can only add one meeple to an existing one with this mechanic.

* 20th Anniversary Expansion: https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/20th_Anniversary_Expansion#2._Placing_a_meeple

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From the wording of the rules (You are allowed to add your meeple next to any of your previously-placed meeples in the playing area, so there will be 2 (there can be a maximum of 2 meeples at a time).), I understand that if you have 2 meeples side-by-side due a crop circle, you cannot add a third meeple with an "Add a meeple" arrow.

Green Builder:

--- Quote from: NGC 54 on March 12, 2023, 05:57:49 AM ---
--- Quote from: Meepledrone on March 12, 2023, 04:46:11 AM ---However, other expansions such as the 20th Anniversay Expansion defines a limit -you can only add one meeple to an existing one with this mechanic.

* 20th Anniversary Expansion: https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/20th_Anniversary_Expansion#2._Placing_a_meeple

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From the wording of the rules (You are allowed to add your meeple next to any of your previously-placed meeples in the playing area, so there will be 2 (there can be a maximum of 2 meeples at a time).), I understand that if you have 2 meeples side-by-side due a crop circle, you cannot add a third meeple with an "Add a meeple" arrow.

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From want I understood, you can. You can add an unlimited number of meeples on a feature, but only a maximum of 1 by using the 20th Anniversary arrow action. But I'm not really sure.

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