According to the rules of the Flier, meeples can only land on roads, cities or cloisters.However, I read on Wikicarpedia that some other projects are also allowed such as gardens, shrines, abbeys, acrobat pyramids, watchtowers. But it is not clear for me if this also includes:1) Castles from expansion 8.
2) Other flying machines (giving chain reactions).
3) Towers (if there is no other allowed project on the tile, can you put it here or do you have to take the meeple back in stock?)
And also,4) If place your meeple on the same tile and project as the meeple with the fairy, will the fairy also count for you (like with acrobat pyramids)?
As a side note, flying machines and magic portals have one use when their tile is placed. Besides, they are features that cannot be claimed and scored, so they should not be treated as an eligible destination for a flier.
A flier cannot land on a tower floor. The same clarification referenced earlier would be applicable since tower floors are features that cannot be claimed and scored, so they should not be treated as an eligible destination for a flier either.
Hi Tomoto_17!Welcome to the forum! Are you a newcomer to Carcassonne or have been playing for a while already?
QuoteAs a side note, flying machines and magic portals have one use when their tile is placed. Besides, they are features that cannot be claimed and scored, so they should not be treated as an eligible destination for a flier. Meepledrone, I have to heavily disagree with you on this matter. The ability of a feature to be claimed, does not automaticallly equal being able to score, or be completed. There are features that can be claimed, yet do not score any points. Prime examples are, contrary to what you stated, Flying machines and Magic portals. We know this from several long standing clarifications:
A phantom can be a flier. However, if you first use a normal follower as a flier then the second figure (the phantom) cannot use the flying machine. The flying machine is a feature, so claiming the flying machine feature with the first figure prevents the phantom from also claiming it. Thus, in this situation the phantom can only be placed on a road or on the field.A phantom can use a magic portal. However, both a wooden follower AND the phantom cannot go through the magic portal – you must choose one or the other. This is because the magic portal is treated as a feature and the phantom is effectively a normal follower. If the first follower is placed on the magic portal, it is claiming that portal (then is moved to a feature on another tile). The phantom cannot be placed on that portal because it is a claimed feature. (1/2013)So as you can see, the fact that these features are indeed claimable is the very reason why we cannot have chain reactions between flying machines and magic portals.
Therefore, your I believe your reasoning is not sufficient to make this conclusion on tower foundations:QuoteA flier cannot land on a tower floor. The same clarification referenced earlier would be applicable since tower floors are features that cannot be claimed and scored, so they should not be treated as an eligible destination for a flier either. The act of placing a meeple on top can be regarded as claiming, as it always involves placing a meeple. Based on this definition:"Features are any aspect of the tile that can be claimed by a follower or that triggers a function."There are other arguments why flyer should be able to land on the tower top. FAQ for the dragon/tower interaction states that dragon can eat meeple on top, because it can fly and reach the tower. It logically follows that a flying meeple should also be able to reach the top of the tower.
The follower must only be deployed to an unfinished structure (road, city, or cloister).
Your meeple may be placed on any incomplete feature on that tile, even if that feature is already occupied by other meeples.
"Features are any aspect of the tile that can be claimed by a follower or that triggers a function."
Quote from: Meepledrone on October 24, 2020, 08:49:05 AMHi Tomoto_17!Welcome to the forum! Are you a newcomer to Carcassonne or have been playing for a while already? I play this game for a while already. I am studying the rules for playing Mega Carcassonne and came up with this question while doing so.
If you are interested in Mega-Carcassone games, I don't know if you already checked this out with some set up suggestions:http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Mega-CarcassonneYou also may find some help here with the following customizable references pages. You may select your preferred edition and what expansions (or parts of them) you plan to use. The actions and the scoring rules will be customized accordingly so you only see what you need for your game.Let me know what you think. Enjoy!
That's correct. My point is that you can use a flier to place a meeple on any incomplete feature on a tile (except fields) you could claim to be scored eventually. I used the claimable part and the scoreable part to stress that * The destination feature has to be an incomplete feature located on a tile:[/qoute]I know what you were trying to say, however the rules only state that feature must be claimable, not scorable [qoute]- A regular tile-based feature except a field: a road, a city, a monastery, a garden, and abbey, an shrine, a special monastery (German monastery, Dutch & Belgian monastery or a Japanese building), a German castle, a German cathedral, a Darmstadt church, Baba Yaga's hut. - A meeple-based feature such as an acrobat pyramid.* The destination feature cannot be a special feature or area... - Placed on a tile: · A flying machine · A magic portal · A tower floor [/qoute]This distinction you are making between a regular and special feature doesn't actually exist from the rules standpoint. They are all features falling under the collective definition mentioned earlier. A distinction that does exiest is features being claimable (by placing a meeple - road, flying machine...) and non-claimable (having only a function - a fair, bazaar...). The latter group is the one where a flyer cannot land. Also, your inclusion of a tower floor in this section is not ideal, because that is the conclusion you are trying to reach, but here you put it as part of an argument. [qoute]- Not placed on a particular tile: · A castle · The school · The city of Carcassonne · The city of Leipzig · The Wheel of Fortune [/qoute]Yes that is correct.[qoute]* The feature may be completed or not during the game but it will be scored eventually.
So the rules expect the meeple to land on a incomplete feature, that means that the feature could be potentially completed.A tower is not a feature that can be completed and, therefore, be incomplete any time earlier. It is a special feature that can be temporarily open or closed when one meeple is on top. There is no provision in the rules so it could be occupied with more than one meeple, and towers have no notion of majority or scoring associated to them.
Your meeple may be placed on any incomplete feature on that tile, even if that feature is already occupied by other meeples. However, meeples placed by a flying machine can never be placed in a field, even if that field is unoccupied.Meeples placed by a flying machine immediately become the appropriate type (highwayman, knight, or monk).
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