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News and Events / Re: Carcassonne Jubiläumslivestream

« on: January 30, 2022, 12:08:25 PM »

Sure and I absolutely agree.


I'm not requesting that contact. Just to solve issue which is now between HiG and Community, and as @Kettlefish described this week, Carcassonne is not well "supported" by HiG now, because in this time, in HiG is no-one who knows all expansions.

I talked about this behind the public of CarcC. oh oh if HiG will read this now. But yes all my people at HiG aren't working there anymore.

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Community Rules (Meepledrone & Friends) / Markets of Leipzig - rules clarifications

« on: January 30, 2022, 10:48:47 AM »

Here is a Yes/No question like to how to get through the rules for this expansion:

1. placement the tile
2. place  a meeple
3. Scoring a feature and send a meeple to Leipzig
Here we start now.
first - look what features are just finished with the placement of that tile.
is there a just finished road? Yes / No
if yes - does this road connected to Leipzig? Yes /No
If yes - do you have a meeple onto such just finished road? Yes / No
If  yes - do you have the majority of this just finished road? Yes / No
If yes -  then you have to choose:
a) Score this just finished road and get the points for it - then you will also get the 3 fairy points if the fairy stands direct to your meeple.
or
b) You send your meeple from the just finished road to the markets of Leipzig and you don't score this road and get no points for it.

I make here a small brake - because: you need a just finished road - this road is connected to Leipzig - you have Meeple onto the road - and you have till now the majority of this road.
And then you have to choose if you score the road as usual (with gameplay exp.3 - you will get the 3point bonus for the fairy if the fairy stand next to your meeple)
or you send this meeple (without scoring this road) to Leipzig.

Now - the cases with more than one meeple onto the just finished road:
Example A:
Situation: just finished road - 3 normal meeples onto this road - 2 red meeple 1 blue meeple.
The road is connected to leipzig (yes) and it is just finished (yes)
The blue meeple has not the majority of this just finished road (no) - This blue player can't send the meeple to Leipzig. This meeple remains on that just finished road.
The 2 red meeples on that just finished road they have the majority of this road (yes)
The red player can now decide if he likes to score the road with his 2 red meeples (meeplepower 2) or he send one of the red meeple to Leipzig.
The red player decide (or choose) not to score the road with 2 meeple (2 meeple man power). He send one red meeple to Leipzig (here in this example the player send his 1 red meeple to the winwringhts quarter.
The other 1 red meeple remains on that just finished road.
Now it is scoring time: We have a just finished road with the connecting to Leipzig and there are now onto this road 1 blue meeple and 1 red meeple. The score for the just finished road: blue meeple score points for the road no bonus points - red meeple score point for the road and bonus points from the wainwringht quarter.

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Community Rules (Meepledrone & Friends) / Re: Markets of Leipzig - Multiple roads completed

« on: January 29, 2022, 06:41:52 PM »

The voting question - I can't answer it with voting.

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Community Rules (Meepledrone & Friends) / Re: Markets of Leipzig - Multiple roads completed

« on: January 29, 2022, 06:36:55 PM »

1) On completed roads connected to Leipzig, those players with the majority may send a meeple at the beginning of 3. Scoring a feature to establish the new configuration of Leipzig bonused for this turn.

Yes

2) After that, you reevaluate the majority and perform the scoring as usual, but considering the new situation in Leipzig for any bonuses to be granted.

Yes.

With our previous assumptions, a meeple on a road connected to Leipzig with the fairy assigned to it, could get the fairy bonus before going to Leipzig, that is, meeples where sent to Leipzig after scoring (so the bonus was effective the next turn).

The 1 fairy point takes place at the beginning of your turn before 1. place a tile

With this update, it seems that meeples are sent to Leipzig before the scoring actually starts (although the majority is computed twice), so the Leipzig bonus effect is immediate. If so, there is no edge case... Roads with one meeple cannot score any points for the road or the Wainwrights quarter bonus when sending that meeple to Leipzig because there is no meeple left to score the road.

Yes
I didn't understand your "edge case" - I never saw this in any rule books.

Does this make sense?

Yes, olny this result makes sense.

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Community Rules (Meepledrone & Friends) / Re: Markets of Leipzig - Multiple roads completed

« on: January 29, 2022, 06:21:09 PM »

Sorry, but in the German rule is no problem.
You can only score a road if you have the majority onto it. It is a base rule from the base game.

The German rule says (2nd sentence) "Für den anderen Meeple..." We use only one other Meeple (but we know there could be more than only a 2nd meeple"

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Community Rules (Meepledrone & Friends) / Re: Markets of Leipzig - Multiple roads completed

« on: January 29, 2022, 05:43:28 PM »

Ha ha ha! This is an impotant change then!

Yes.
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The rule in German:
Hast Du mehrere Meeple auf einer Straße, darfst du nur einen davon nach Leipzig schicken.
Für den anderen Meeple darfst du aber die Punkte für die Straße nehmen.
Schickst du dabei den Meeple ins Wagner-Viertel, bekommst du gleich die Extra-Punkte (siehe unten).

The rule in English:
If you have more than one meeple on the road you are allowed to send only one of them to Leipzig.
For the other(s) you may, however, score the points for the road.
if you send a meeple into the wainwrights quarter you will get the bonus points (see below) immediately.

Example:
You have 2 meeples (meeple1 and meeple2) on the just finished road. You have on the just finished road the meeple power 2 (2x1) at this moment. Then you decide to send meeple1 to Leipzig into the wainwrights quarter. And now for the remaining meeple2 you score the road (meeple power 1x1) and get the bonus points.

Just a Bill has only translated the last sentense from this part of the rule and he didn't talk about the first two sentences.

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Community Rules (Meepledrone & Friends) / Re: Markets of Leipzig - Multiple roads completed

« on: January 29, 2022, 05:06:47 PM »

I am right - not the "we can assume here..."

I've read that topic .  Just a Bill did make some mistakes. I will clear that up. But that needs some time.

First of all - you have to look at the majority of the road when the score takes place. And the score takes place after the player decided if they send a meeple to Leipzig.

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Community Rules (Meepledrone & Friends) / Re: Markets of Leipzig - Multiple roads completed

« on: January 29, 2022, 04:32:41 PM »

C. It depends on the order the roads are scored:

yes. And the score of the just finished roads take place after all players (who have meeples onto these just finished roads) decided if they send a meeple to Leipzig.

a. Those roads scored before the one used to send a meeple to Leipzig will not get the bonus.

No

b. The road sending the meeple to Leipzig only if it complies with the edge case.

I do not understand this - do you mean the special case when the player has 2 meeples on the just finished road?

c. The roads scored after the one sending the meeple to Leipzig will get the bonus.

This is also not clear enough. Yes, the score of the roads take place after the sending of the meeple to Leipzig.
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Here are some more examples:

example  III: You finished 2 roads with the just placed tile. On each road you have one meeple. You decide not to score one road and send this meeple to the Wainwrights quarter in Leipzig. For this road you can't get points for score and no bonus. Than you score the other just finished road. For this road you get the score and the 1 piont bonus for each tile of that road.

example IV: The same as example III, but you have two meeples onto one of the roads. If you decide not to score this road with two meeples onto it, than you can send one of these meeples to the Wainwrights quarter. Than you look to your just finished roads. The one road has still the 2nd meeple there - score the road and get the bonus for it. The same is for the other just finished road with a meeple on it - score and get the bonus points for it.

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Community Rules (Meepledrone & Friends) / Re: Markets of Leipzig - Crossroads with trees

« on: January 29, 2022, 03:23:55 PM »

What examples do you find confusing?

When I see the gold nuggets - that has nothing to do with the Markets of Leipzig.

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Community Rules (Meepledrone & Friends) / Re: Markets of Leipzig - Multiple roads completed

« on: January 29, 2022, 03:12:25 PM »

ML06

Let’s assume multiple roads are completed and scored on the same turn a meeple on one of them is
sent to the Wainwrights quarter. Which option is the correct one?

A. Only the road with the meeple sent to Leipzig may get the Wainwrights bonus. No other road in the current turn may receive the bonus.

No, it is wrong.

B. All the roads may get the Wainwrights quarter bonus. All the roads scored in the current turn may benefit from the bonus right away, but the one sending the meeple to Leipzig has to comply with the conditions for the edge case (the road would need more than one meeple on it to score and get the bonus).

example I: 2 just finished roads - road1 with 2 meeples - road2 with 1 meeple - all meeples belongs to one player.

Yes, but only when the player send a meeple to the Wainwringhts quarter from that road (road1) where he has two meeples onto it. Then he will score both roads and gets bonus points for both roads.
 
No, if the player send the only meeple to the Wainwringhts quarter from the other road (road2) where he has only that one meeple onto it.
Then the player will get only for the road (road1) with 2 meeples onto it the score points and the bonus points. The player can't get any score or bonus points for the road2

example II: 2 just finished roads - road1 with 2 red meeples and one blue big meeple - road2 with 1 red meeple

No, when the red player send a meeple to the Wainwringhts quarter from that road (road1) where he has two meeples onto it, then he loses his majority on that road and gets no points for road1 also no bonus points. The red player scores the road2 and gets bonus points.
The blue player has the majority of that road1 - he scores the road1 and gets bonus points if he already has a blue meeple on the Wainwringhts quarter.

No, if the red player send the only meeple to the Wainwringhts quarter from the other road (road2) where he has only that one meeple onto it.
Then the red player will get only for the road (road1) with 2 meeples onto it the score points and the bonus points. The red player can't get any score or bonus points for the road2.
The blue player has togehter with the red player the majority of that road1 - he scores the road1 and gets bonus points if he already has a blue meeple on the Wainwringhts quarter.

For the next part I will open a new reply

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Community Rules (Meepledrone & Friends) / Re: Markets of Leipzig - Crossroads with trees

« on: January 29, 2022, 02:27:13 PM »

ML02

When sending a meeple to Leipzig, a meeple has to be on a road connected to Leipzig via villages. If
any crossroads is occupied by trees instead, the connection is not possible and the meeple will not be
allowed to be sent to Leipzig.

I agree with you - the crossing with trees isn't a village. - That means no Leipzig bonus and no meeple goes to Leipzig.

But I will contact someone who was working onto this expansion.

I decide not to vote yet.

In this topic are some more examples - that is a bit confusing me.

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Community Rules (Meepledrone & Friends) / Re: Markets of Leipzig - Meeples sent to Leipzig

« on: January 29, 2022, 02:09:59 PM »

I've opened the vote  - because I liked to vote here as a statement.

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Community Rules (Meepledrone & Friends) / Re: Markets of Leipzig - Meeples sent to Leipzig

« on: January 29, 2022, 02:07:35 PM »

I did my vote here too.

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Community Rules (Meepledrone & Friends) / Re: Markets of Leipzig - Bookbinders quarter bonus and empty monasteries

« on: January 29, 2022, 01:55:07 PM »

Thanks @Kettlefish for including your answers to this question.

It's been a long and interesting afternoon/evening. 

Yes it was a long day. But I think, the results are very interesting. And I did my vote.

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Community Rules (Meepledrone & Friends) / Re: Markets of Leipzig - Meeples sent to Leipzig

« on: January 29, 2022, 01:51:40 PM »

ML01.

Any meeple on a road can be sent to Leipzig. Is it correct?

We are assuming that any meeple participating in the scoring of a road could be sent to Leipzig (normal meeples, large meeple, wagon, ringmaster, phantom)

My first reaction was follows:
Yes. All the meeples which are in your picture there. The Major and the abbot can't use this.

But later I was thinking about it:
Ok I see the problem now - please use only the normal meeple, if you like to use the special function from the other meeples during the game play.

In my opinion only the standard meeple goes to leipzig. But if there is already a meeple in the City of Leipzig, all the other meeple will get the bonus.

At the Leipzig expansion the meeple will stay in the Markets of Leipzig till the End of the game. If you use the Big Meeple - than you have not the special function  during the game play, also the Phantom, wagon, circus directior. And the meeples from all players will stack onto the other meeples. If you use wagon, and all the other meeple with special function, than the stack wouldn't stable.

Many of the meeples are one once in the game - there is only one special meeple not 7 like the normal meeple.

Result: Yes and No