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Carc Central Community => News and Events => Topic started by: Hylian87 on August 31, 2013, 10:00:48 AM
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Hey everyone,
just wanted to let you know that German retailer Mueller is selling a new Carcassonne box including the original Carcassonne, the expansion "Graf, Koenig & Konsorten" as well what appears to me to be a new version of "Die Katharer" called "Die Belagerer". The tiles are quite different from "Cult, Siege & Creativity".
An employee of Cundco told me a couple of weeks ago that they will re-release "Die Katharer" for "Die Spiel" in Essen and that you will be able to purchase this expansion through the shop afterwards (along with "Die Windrosen). So maybe this is the re-release in question?
Best
Hylian87
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Hylian87,
please don't use the German Umlaute.
for example: ue - for Mueller - the umlaut don't work here at CarcC.
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Thanks kettlefish - I just realized it myself ;) .
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Hello Hylian87 and welcome to the CarcC forum! Thanks for the post of very interesting information. Those tiles look awesome! Thanks!
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Wow, this is good news. It looks like they might have added the pig to the picture on the front of the box too.
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Wow, this is good news. It looks like they might have added the pig to the picture on the front of the box too.
How is it good news?
If the only way of getting those new tiles is by buying yet another base game, then it is totally bollocks. That crap was pulled with Wheel of Fortune and the 10 year special edition. One can even count the edition with the first Crop Circles as being the same kind of stunt.
I have said it plenty of times: releasing new stuff paired with old stuff is to spit the fan-base in the face.
We simply do not need more expansion to the bloated experience that is the today's Carcassonne.
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Die Belagerer:
The rules are the same as the Spielbox mini Die Katharer.
Only the tiles have a new design. The new version has 6 tiles and not only 4 tiles.
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Hmm. Perhaps the new Spielbox expansion is these six tiles? Or perhaps the Cundco offer will be for these six tiles rather than the old tiles or the whole box. I've already got all these expansions, too, so would rather not buy the box set. However, I'm a completist so I'll need the new tiles, especially since there are six of them.
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Wow, this is good news. It looks like they might have added the pig to the picture on the front of the box too.
How is it good news?
If the only way of getting those new tiles is by buying yet another base game, then it is totally bollocks.
He said it would be offered by Cundco. I don't sweat that compliation stuff. I got the Festival by itself and I don't forsee a problem getting this one by itself. It will be available sooner or later and I won't have to pay $100 for 4 tiles.
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Thanks for the news... And I find any Carc release news good news. If I had a copy I'd give the base game away to friends to keep the love going
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Looking forward to getting this from Cundco- I like the artwork (it's kind of a blend of Cathars and Siege).
But at the same time, just when you think you're catching up...
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@Carcking
Thanks for welcoming me! I really like this forum :) .
I will try to get a response from Cundco to see if this is indeed the version of "Die Katharer" they're going to sell in October. It says "exclusively" on the back of the box, though.
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He said it would be offered by Cundco.
He did not. Which is also confirmed by his later post:
I will try to get a response from Cundco to see if this is indeed the version of "Die Katharer" they're going to sell in October. It says "exclusively" on the back of the box, though.
I don't sweat that compliation stuff. I got the Festival by itself and I don't forsee a problem getting this one by itself. It will be available sooner or later and I won't have to pay $100 for 4 tiles.
You mean like Wheel of Fortune is available on its own?
That you "don't sweat" it does not mean anything. It is extremely bad marketing and a blatant disregard of the fan base to release new stuf bundled with old stuff. To force your fans to pay twice for the same stuff is not only stupid and alienating, it is showing disdaine to the people who make your living.
If (and I did say if) this is not made available on its own, I am rather sure I am done with everything Carcassonne forever. They will lose one of their biggest fans. They just keep destroying a game of which I have been very fond. It is not just sad; it is pathetic.
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Thanks for the news... And I find any Carc release news good news. If I had a copy I'd give the base game away to friends to keep the love going
What stops you from buying the base game and give it away now? Would it not be easier to just be able to buy the expansion? Would you prefer that all expansions were sold exlusively with the base game?
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An employee of Cundco told me a couple of weeks ago that they will re-release "Die Katharer" for "Die Spiel" in Essen and that you will be able to purchase this expansion through the shop afterwards (along with "Die Windrosen). So maybe this is the re-release in question?
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An employee of Cundco told me a couple of weeks ago that they will re-release "Die Katharer" for "Die Spiel" in Essen and that you will be able to purchase this expansion through the shop afterwards (along with "Die Windrosen). So maybe this is the re-release in question?
The expansion in question is not Die Katharer (four tiles, monk ikon). It is allegedly called Die Belagerer (six tiles, no monk ikon).
The keyword in the text you just quoted is maybe. Read it again; it is there.
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I suppose it is possible that Cundco is re-releasing the original Katharer and not the Belagerer, but I don't think it's likely
Firstly, do HiG even have the rights to reprint Die Katharer? If they do, why haven't they done it before? I know it was briefly available when Cundco opened, but the website said that it was some leftover 'old' stock and not a new printing (and was thus quickly sold out). I think this was also before the Nostheide shop opened to maybe Spielbox gave the supplies to HiG to sell?
Secondly, wouldn't it a bit of a coincidence for two different versions of essentially the same expansion to be released simultaneously from different mediums? Just because an employee said 'Die Katherer' would be released it doesn't exclusively mean the original version- after all 'The Siege' is also considered to be a re-release of 'Die Katherer'...
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I have sent an email to Moritz Brunnhofer.
In the past I called with Moritz Brunnhofer many times.
In some of our telephone calls I told him the wishes from the fan basis.
They like to have the Festival, the Katharer, the Corn Circles I...
Definitly the Corn Circles I - that wouldn't published again this year.
Perhaps next year or later. At the moment you have the Corn Circles II
with the same rules like the Corn Circles I.
Two different parts of tiles - but one rule.
The same should be with the Katharer and the Belagerer.
Two different parts of tiles - but one rule.
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kettlefish, thanks for writing HiG, I also sent an e-mail to Cundco. Let's keep our fingers crossed that we'll get an answer soon!
I don't really get why there's no news about the Mueller Carcassonne box. Did they announce such special releases in the past?
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The Corn Circles I was published as a special Edition with the basic game in 2010.
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I suppose it is possible that Cundco is re-releasing the original Katharer and not the Belagerer, but I don't think it's likely
Me either.
Firstly, do HiG even have the rights to reprint Die Katharer? If they do, why haven't they done it before?
From what I know they have not, which makes your second question moot. On the other hand, licenses (rights) can be sold and bought.
Secondly, wouldn't it a bit of a coincidence for two different versions of essentially the same expansion to be released simultaneously from different mediums? Just because an employee said 'Die Katherer' would be released it doesn't exclusively mean the original version- after all 'The Siege' is also considered to be a re-release of 'Die Katherer'...
The Siege does not have exactly the same rules as Die Katharer. And yes it would be a coincident, but those happen.
The Corn Circles I was published as a special Edition with the basic game in 2010.
Which is exactly the kind of rubbish I am talking about. It is to spit the fan base in the face.
The same goes (again!) for Wheel of Fortune.
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Which is exactly the kind of rubbish I am talking about. It is to spit the fan base in the face.
But, hey, they gotta make money right? :) That way they can keep bringing out more stuff. I don't begrudge them it too much, though obviously it would be nicer not to have to buy the extra set.
The really obsessively keen people (like me!) will buy the new base game and either give it away or use the tiles for something else and the rest can wait a bit for it to appear on eBay or sites like Hoard O'Bits (http://bit.ly/1e7NTrI) which sell broken up tile packs.
On that note... where can I buy this online?! Googling for "Carcassonne Belagerer Mueller" or similar doesn't turn up anything. Can anyone (perhaps someone who knows the German shop) put up a link?
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The really obsessively keen people (like me!) will buy the new base game and either give it away or use the tiles for something else and the rest can wait a bit for it to appear on eBay or sites like Hoard O'Bits (http://hoardobits.com/cgi/hob/shop.pl?cat1=carcassonne&cat2=&cat3=&cat4=&page=2&view=04162013-1-15) which sell broken up tile packs.
What stops you from buying and ... oh, deja vu.
Is that really your answer; to buy it second hand off of Ebay? Really?
It does not bother you or anyone else that they keep pulling this crap over and over again? Can they do anything wrong at all?
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Tobias, I feel that, as usual, you are over-reacting. Based on the information available right now, we can be very certain that some form of siege tiles will be made available through Cundco. As meepleater said, the most likely scenario is that those tiles will be the six-tile version called "Die Belagerer". It's probably much easier and possibly also cheaper to pay for new artwork rather than trying to buy the old artwork from Spielbox, who don't seem to be interested in letting it go even though they can't make any more money from it without ordering a reprint.
With regards to bundling this "new" expansion with the base game, that's perfectly valid. It may have been time for another print run of the base game, and it's cheaper to print the expansion at the same time rather than ordering a separate print run. It also allows players who are just getting into the game to get their hands on this new expansion at the same time. When HiG released the base game with the Corn Circles expansion, they also made Corn Circles available separately through Cundco.
I'll definitely be getting my hands on "Die Belagerer" when I can.
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Tobias, I feel that, as usual, you are over-reacting.
That is one of the problems. What I feel on the subject is unimportant in comparison to what I think. I can compare to history how these things have been handled before. I remember the disgusting Graf, Konig und Konsorten. I remember all the various small expansions that were included with the base game, starting with River 1 and continuing with Wheel of Fortune (which you can not buy by itself), Crop circles 1 (which you can not buy by itself), The festival (which you can not buy by itself) and now some Katharer copy (which we might be able to buy by itself, if we are to trust everyone in this thread). I might even have forgotten some edition. There might also be edition of which I know nothing.
Yes, the problem is clearly that I over-react. The problem is clearly not that some expansions (or tiles) are way too hard or too expensive to come by.
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I must admit the whole 'exclusive expansion with the base game' thing is getting a bit annoying, but that said, as long as it is released separately I don't mind.
I remember all the various small expansions that were included with the base game, starting with River 1 and continuing with Wheel of Fortune (which you can not buy by itself), Crop circles 1 (which you can not buy by itself), The festival (which you can not buy by itself) and now some Katharer copy (which we might be able to buy by itself, if we are to trust everyone in this thread). I might even have forgotten some edition. There might also be edition of which I know nothing.
With Corn circles I think the point is that you could have bought it by itself (and correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't HiG happy to give it away for free for some postage money before it was available from Cundco?). As for the festival, it will be available from Cundco later this year. Belagerer will probably be available separately and the river was available separately for a while.
That only leaves Wheel of Fortune, (and while its possible to buy separately like I did) I am happy to pass that off as a semi-spinoff.
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At the end of the day, the various companies with licences to produce Carcassone games are free to do what they want.
There is no law to say "You MUST buy every expansion".
If you object so strongly, don't buy the game.
Surely the enjoyment of Carcassone comes from playing it, with maybe a few expansions for variety, rather than from collecting every single expansion possible.
An analogy could be that of a car. Do you expect a car manufacturer to come out with a upgrade kit for old models when they release a new feature on there new cars? Do you have to buy a new car each time there is a new feature released in them?
I will be happy to just sit and wait until I get a chance to buy just the expansion tiles. I have managed to do that successfully so far, including just The Festival tiles.
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I wrote to Cundco.de and Hans in Gluck asking them if Carcassonne Belagerer will be available in Cundco Shop and here are their replies:
From Cundco shop:
Hello,
no, we're sorry. "Die Belagerer" are an exclusive article of the german company "Muller" (www.mueller.de).
Best regards
Till Dechene
Carcassonne & Co GmbH
From Hans Im Gluck:
Carcassonne: Die Belagerer will be an exclusive addition to a special Carcassonne that will only be available at a shop called "Muller Drogerie".
I can not tell you what will happen after a years time, but Die Belagerer will not be available at cundco.de for at least one year.
Kind regards,
Michael Fronia
Hans im Gluck Verlag
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Hmm... not happy.
Beginning to see Tobias' point
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That really is a bummer for you guys overseas. But maybe we Germans can arrange something for you (as long as you'd want to pay 24.99 Euro plus postage and packing)? I already got a request from someone to get him "Die Belagerer" and hope to hunt down another copy for him.
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I don't suppose there's a chance Muller will release it separately later? If not I suppose they're lucky I need spare tiles and wouldn't mind a second copy of the game...
That really is a bummer for you guys overseas. But maybe we Germans can arrange something for you (as long as you'd want to pay 24.99 Euro plus postage and packing)? I already got a request from someone to get him "Die Belagerer" and hope to hunt down another copy for him.
That would be awesome, but I'll have to see whether I can afford it atm...
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That's not very likely, Mueller sells all kinds of stuff and I guess they just want to attract new players with this bundle.
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That really is a bummer for you guys overseas. But maybe we Germans can arrange something for you (as long as you'd want to pay 24.99 Euro plus postage and packing)? I already got a request from someone to get him "Die Belagerer" and hope to hunt down another copy for him.
It is a "bummer" for fans everywhere. Being forced to buy stuff we already own sucks.
Sometimes I hate being right.
That's not very likely, Mueller sells all kinds of stuff and I guess they just want to attract new players with this bundle.
And at the same time spitting the old fans in the face.
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Thanks guys for the info on Die Belagerer.
I'll have to remember to keep an eye out for it in about a year's time to see if it becomes available as a mini-expansion.
At least it gives me the chance to own and play a version of The Cathers/The Siege (neither of which I have as I didn't know about Carcassonne back when they were available to purchase)!
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And at the same time spitting the old fans in the face.
Tobias, that is the thrid time, that you write almost the same words.
It's like the old LP's in the past.
I don't know if that is a good thing to make here at CarcC negative publicity
- for HiG
- for the game Carcassonne
- for CarcC itself.
- for the whole community of Carcassonne
When people at BGG posting negative publicity - that is a forum for all games and all publishers.
But this CarcC forum is a forum especially for Carcassonne.
And Carcassonne belonges to HiG.
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Yup, I'm starting to agree with Tobias. I actually liked that they packaged "Count, King & Cult" together as a package deal but only because they also made "The Cult" available in two other formats (Speilbox and "Cult, Siege & Creativity"). I was decidedly unhappy about having to purchase the 10th Anniversary Box for "The Celebration" but I was fortunate in needing a door prize for our wedding that year, so we let it slide and simply informed the victors that it "may be missing ten tiles *wink*wink*". "Wheel of Fortune" was less of a burden, while I received "The River" in my original Big Box back in 2007 so that was never an issue.
Regarding "Die Belagerer", I really would like a copy of it even though I own both "Siege" and "Die Katharer". I have no real desire to pay ~$33.00 plus shipping to get a copy of that box, though. I already have "Count, King & Cult" as well as the base game, and I've inundated copies of the game on all my friends over the past five years, so giving yet another copy away is just not really an option anymore. Tobias may be beating a dead fish, but he decidedly has a point that every time Carcassonne does this (or any of its distributors), it sours our opinion of the game and its marketing practices. We aren't directly insulting the game, but more the marketing decisions behind it.
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I don't know if that is a good thing to make here at CarcC negative publicity
- for HiG
- for the game Carcassonne
- for CarcC itself.
- for the whole community of Carcassonne
When people at BGG posting negative publicity - that is a forum for all games and all publishers.
But this CarcC forum is a forum especially for Carcassonne.
And Carcassonne belonges to HiG.
The only negative publicity that is created comes from publishers who do not appriciate their fans. If the truth hurts, maybe they should show some consideration towards the people who pay for thier food. My job is not and will never be to sing praise towards those who disregard their fans or towards those who wants to hurt you for their own petty gains.
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Tobias, I think the point that kettlefish is making is that you've expressed your opinion and there in no need to belabor it further.
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I also heard from Cundco today that there will be no other "Die Katharer"-release in October. They are sorry for confusing things.
My contact stated that only Nostheide Verlag would be able to reprint "Die Katharer".
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Tobias, I think the point that kettlefish is making is that you've expressed your opinion and there in no need to belabor it further.
Sure! I will stop telling the truth the day publishers start to play nice with their fan base. Until that time, though, I will call them out whenever I feel like it. If you want to sing their praise, go right ahead. You obviously have no problem spending money buying the same game over and over and over again.
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I rang them up today and told HiG directly that I wouldn't buy this special edition Carcassonne, because I have almost all what is inside.
I am waiting for the CundCo Shop with the 6 new tiles - and if it needs some months time - it doesn't matter for me.
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You obviously have no problem spending money buying the same game over and over and over again.
I didn't say that and I haven't. In fact, I've yet to buy a base set that I already had with the exception of the Big Box which I bought very early on. I was happy to have the extras to use for fan-made expansions. I have managed to get a copy of everything with the exception of Katherers and Crop Circles 1 without having to rebuy anything, so it can be done if one is patient. The only thing I'd say I have doubled are the Wheel of Fortune tiles that aren't unique and that is not an entire base set. I don't mind this though as I have it seperate from my complete set and when I'm teaching someone for the first time or my group just wants a short game, I grab that box and it keeps it simple. I don't plan on purchasing the new compilation set and I doubt I'll have any trouble acquiring these tiles either from Cundco or the Carcassonn Shoppe or another of the fine resources we have available. I understand your frustration and I see your point, but I think you're making it a lot more difficult than it needs to be.
Aside from that, I don't think HiG is even to blame here. Mueller is making this set and I would presume that they have designed the new tiles and made the decision to include them in their set. This is not too dissimilar from RGG publishing the Cult and adding a tile or the GQ11. And besides, no one is requiring you to purchase this expansion. If you feel that strongly about it, just don't buy it and express your opinion to them directly by not spending money.
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I have not said "HiG". I have said "Publishers".
I have everything Carcassonne (except card and dice games). I am not upset for my own sake. I just point out how little the publishers care for their long standing fans. I just point how how little they care for us, who have been with them ever since we found out about this lovely little game. I just point how the discrepance between fans and publishers; one of them really loves the game, the other does not care about anything at all except money.
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Tobias,
And what is with the Surprising Package? - It came from the publisher - the publisher is here HiG for the game Carcassonne. ;D
You were one of the few (almost 10 ore 11) who have got one.
Even I didn't get a Surprising Package.
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Tobias,
And what is with the Surprising Package? - It came from the publisher - the publisher is here HiG for the game Carcassonne. ;D
You were one of the few (almost 10 ore 11) who have got one.
Even I didn't get a Surprising Package.
As far as I can tell it was your doing and no one else's. And if you recall you know my doubt. This particular expansion was never part of a base game, nor was it part of a compilation where new and old stuff were mixed. It was just a hard to get expansion. I have no idea how it will turn out in the future. If, where or when it will be available to the public.
You have my gratitude. HiG and other greedy inconsiderate publisher have not. What do you want me to say? Do you want me to return it to you? What are you really trying to say here?
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You have my gratitude. HiG and other greedy inconsiderate publisher have not. What do you want me to say? Do you want me to return it to you? What are you really trying to say here?
Tobias, relax. All she is saying is that HiG did a pretty nice thing for their fan-base in giving us these expansions, they didn't have to do that at all. Don't read too much into it.
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You have my gratitude. HiG and other greedy inconsiderate publisher have not. What do you want me to say? Do you want me to return it to you? What are you really trying to say here?
Tobias, relax. All she is saying is that HiG did a pretty nice thing for their fan-base in giving us these expansions, they didn't have to do that at all. Don't read too much into it.
Yes that is it. And without HiG I don't have any things what I can send to the members.
And they pay the shipping costs to me (for the Surprising Package and the Wind Roses action).
This autumn we will have in the CundCo Shop (Moritz Brunnhofer told me this two weeks ago by call):
- the Wind Roses
- the Festival
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To say that the publishers are "spitting in our face" is a very extreme statement. That's what we're taking issue with. You're allowed to be disappointed all you want, and you can say that you're disappointed - I'm definitely feeling disappointed right now - but to go around calling the publishers greedy is going too far. As others have said in previous posts, HiG has been very good to us with all the copies of the Windroses that they gave to us for free.
Do I want to buy another copy of the base game? Not particularly. I'm curious to find out more about the watermarks on the other tiles, because I would still like to replace my King and River II tiles with watermarked versions. I was planning to buy CK&C when Z-Man Games eventually prints it.
I am also a bit disappointed that this is a retailer exclusive. I prefer that everyone can get the new tiles. I'm not going to get angry about the situation, because that doesn't do anybody any good.
BTW: here is the web site of the retailer; couldn't find anything Carcassonne related on there.
http://www.mueller.de/ (http://www.mueller.de/)
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The recent information about Carcassonne mini expansion Die Belagerer, provided by the publisher, left me very confused. I was under the impression that HiG controls the official expansions which are later commercially available through licence to other publishers like Z-Man, RGG etc. I think the HiG owes it to the worldwide fans of the game to assure that they will be able to obtain these in their online shop. Just as The Siege was available from RGG in the past.
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This autumn we will have in the CundCo Shop (Moritz Brunnhofer told me this two weeks ago by call):
- the Wind Roses
- the Festival
Ooh, maybe the Cundco version of The Festival will have expansion watermarks and be printed on better quality tiles. Then I can return my ten tiles to my sister who won it at my wedding two years ago.
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To say that the publishers are "spitting in our face" is a very extreme statement. That's what we're taking issue with. You're allowed to be disappointed all you want, and you can say that you're disappointed - I'm definitely feeling disappointed right now - but to go around calling the publishers greedy is going too far. As others have said in previous posts, HiG has been very good to us with all the copies of the Windroses that they gave to us for free.
Remember I never even mentioned HiG in my posts. I always said "publishers". I did not bring HiG up - someone else did. What that means you will have to figure out for yourself.
Now, companies owes to themselves to be greedy, but not stupid. Alienating the fan base is being stupid! Producing luxury editions in too few copies is being stupid. Handing out promos at conventions that true fans can not get hold of is being stupid. Most publisher do this now and then and there by they lose a few hard core fans. Read the forums on BGG if you do not believe me!
And yes, if a company does not provide a game component to their most hardcore fans, without also forcing these people to buy stuff they already own they are showing contempt towards those that love them the most. Release whatever base game combination you want, but make sure the tiles are available elsewhere! You *will* lose fans over it otherwise. Now, your idea as a publisher is to keep fans; any other decsision is stupid.
Do I want to buy another copy of the base game? Not particularly.
It is the only way of getting those tiles as of now. It is the only way of getting the Wheel of fortune. It has been the only way of getting the Festival tiles for a couple of years. And no - I do not count various second hand shops.
I am also a bit disappointed that this is a retailer exclusive. I prefer that everyone can get the new tiles. I'm not going to get angry about the situation, because that doesn't do anybody any good.
As I have said: I am not the one that suffers because of this. It is the fans base at a whole. Anger is something I do not feel very often, but posting about this gets attention to it and maybe various publishers can create an account here and take the time to browse the forums ten minutes every week and read what the fan base thinks. Without us they are nothing. Releaseing new content paired with old content is just a blatant insult. Doing it again and again is much much worse.
The recent information about Carcassonne mini expansion Die Belagerer, provided by the publisher, left me very confused. I was under the impression that HiG controls the official expansions which are later commercially available through licence to other publishers like Z-Man, RGG etc. I think the HiG owes it to the worldwide fans of the game to assure that they will be able to obtain these in their online shop. Just as The Siege was available from RGG in the past.
That is my whole point. Thanks for making me feel less alone! :)
Tobias, relax. All she is saying is that HiG did a pretty nice thing for their fan-base in giving us these expansions, they didn't have to do that at all. Don't read too much into it.
One good thing and how many bad things? Nope - it does not make new bad decisions right. What they should do is stop making expansions all togheter. If they want to develope the Carcassonne theme further, they can do so via spin-offs. They are usually rather good at that.
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That really is a bummer for you guys overseas. But maybe we Germans can arrange something for you (as long as you'd want to pay 24.99 Euro plus postage and packing)? I already got a request from someone to get him "Die Belagerer" and hope to hunt down another copy for him.
Hi Hylian, if I sent you a PM with my address could you maybe send me a copy too? Thanks for offering!
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That really is a bummer for you guys overseas. But maybe we Germans can arrange something for you (as long as you'd want to pay 24.99 Euro plus postage and packing)? I already got a request from someone to get him "Die Belagerer" and hope to hunt down another copy for him.
Hi Hylian, if I sent you a PM with my address could you maybe send me a copy too? Thanks for offering!
I'll second that!
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That really is a bummer for you guys overseas. But maybe we Germans can arrange something for you (as long as you'd want to pay 24.99 Euro plus postage and packing)? I already got a request from someone to get him "Die Belagerer" and hope to hunt down another copy for him.
Hi Hylian, if I sent you a PM with my address could you maybe send me a copy too? Thanks for offering!
I'll second that!
And I'll third!
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Maybe we could start a list of everyone who wants one in the States and Canada and set up a middleman.
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I'll 4th it!
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The box is made with sheet metall or tin can.
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The box is made with sheet metall or tin can.
That explains the rounded corners of the box. I'd guess it's a tin.
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Not only is the artwork different from Siege, but most of the tile configurations too. I only see one that is the same configuration (CCRR).
Different configurations + tin box = me interested, but if I'm doing this I want to pay via Paypal. Kettlefish makes me pay via wire transfer which cost me an extra $10 in transaction fees.
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What is the size of the tin? Is it the same size as the box for regular carcassonne?
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Is it possible to get this anywhere, and to pay through PayPal ?
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Kettlefish mentioned in another thread that the six Belagerer tiles will eventually be available from Cundco, so now I'm not sure if I'm still in on this.
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Not only is the artwork different from Siege, but most of the tile configurations too. I only see one that is the same configuration (CCRR).
Different configurations + tin box = me interested, but if I'm doing this I want to pay via Paypal. Kettlefish makes me pay via wire transfer which cost me an extra $10 in transaction fees.
I agree. I'd like a copy of the set, especially if it has a tin. But I'm against high additional charges, especially transaction fees. Shipping is high enough.
Nice discovery with the tiles being different. I was going to check that but didn't find the time.
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I was kind of assuming they'd be different being that there were six of them. Looking them over, they looked a little different.
Not sure how I'd feel about a game with 10 (or 14) Cather/Siege tiles though. It would be hard to have any full value cities at all and be a big boost to all farmers. I think it would be akin to playing with all 12 Crop Circle tiles. I guess if they game was big enough, it would be a little better.
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Hi,
I'm glad that new and bigger Cathars expansion is out. It's one of my favorite. Too bad that you have to buy the whole game and (again) the King and Count expansions, but the tin box is tempting. Does someone from Germany know how to buy it online? I couldn't find it on Mueller's site. Since I'm from EU as well, sending costs won't be so high for me.
Thanks in advance!
P.S. We have the most frustrating CAPTCHAs I've ever seen here on CC ;D
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P.S. We have the most frustrating CAPTCHAs I've ever seen here on CC ;D
Indeed they are ... But as far as I understand they will disappear once you've posted a certain amount of posts.
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Does someone from Germany know how to buy it online?
Welcome Svartisen! Glad you made it through registration gauntlet :D
I too would like to know if it's available anywhere online?
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Unfortunately it's not availble online anywhere. Mueller do have an online shop but it's only for ordering photos or photo-books.
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P.S. We have the most frustrating CAPTCHAs I've ever seen here on CC ;D
Hi Svartisen,
this Captcha is only for the first post or so.
After that post then all following posts are easy.
Nice to see you again.
Greetings
kettlefish
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Unfortunately it's not availble online anywhere. Mueller do have an online shop but it's only for ordering photos or photo-books.
Ouch! That's mean. So the only way to get it, is to visit a Mueller's store that still has it or have someone to buy it for you. Right now we're not sure if HiG will ever re-release the new tiles later and make them available at their online shop.
@KettleFish & the others: thanks for the captcha explanation.
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Unfortunately it's not availble online anywhere. Mueller do have an online shop but it's only for ordering photos or photo-books.
Ouch! That's mean. So the only way to get it, is to visit a Mueller's store that still has it or have someone to buy it for you. Right now we're not sure if HiG will ever re-release the new tiles later and make them available at their online shop.
@KettleFish & the others: thanks for the captcha explanation.
That's right Mueller is more a supermarket and really not an online store.
Even in my region of Germany we don't have much Mueller supermarkets.
But HiG / CundCo Shop will re-release the 6 tiles - but we don't know when.
Later - perhaps in a year - but they really don't say never.
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I'm still not sure whether to try and buy this- even if Cundco does publish them later, the tin box would be nice (I store all the tiles in the cardboard box and it is starting to weaken with the weight), as well as the spare tiles (I have very few).
What are the arrangements, if people don't mind me asking, for organising a deal with members from Germany to have the box shipped overseas?
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This box is more created for Carc beginners.
HiG like to have here and there some new Carc fans.
In Germany starts the new school year in Juli / August / September (it is different in each part of our country). And the box could be a great gift for relatives for the new school child.
Such things you can find here in Germany each year (it is not only the first special - I mean that is it what you can find also with DVD's, books and many others).
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The price of the box is 24,99 EUR. Shipping is quite different. I don't know the weight of the box.
But if the box has more than 1000 grams - than the shipping might be more than 16-18 EUR. And I don't know if the tin box might costs some extra duty in your own country.
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I'm still not sure whether to try and buy this- even if Cundco does publish them later, the tin box would be nice (I store all the tiles in the cardboard box and it is starting to weaken with the weight), as well as the spare tiles (I have very few).
Same here. A tin box would be a more time-proof storage solution for my tiles. And I don't mind having some spares either.
@Kettlefish: it was surprising to find that that the school begins differently in different lands. As for the exclusive versions of games and other stuff, or even HiG's policy, the Germans do know how to make the economy spin.
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Personally I don't mind having to buy multiple copies of certain things (i.e. the basic 72 tiles) in order to get hold of specific expansions every now and again. It's not ideal, but I can put up with it as long as what I want is actually available to me.
I do find it more than a little frustrating though when new expansions are released in a very limited way such as this. I think that HiG do a good job but since they're in control of who's allowed to release what, could they not have stipulated that this special new boxset could only be produced as long as x thousand copies of it were also available online to those not living in Germany and then tipped us off beforehand? I'd certainly feel like my loyalty had been rewarded if this was the case! As it is, my overwhelming feeling is that they're not really considering their international fans in the same way as they do their more local customers.
It sounds like Die Belagerer will probably become available via Cundco at some point but whether we'll have to wait months or even years for this remains to be seen. And what will happen in the meantime is that those who can buy the game will be buying it up and selling it on eBay for increasingly ridiculous prices while there's demand. I'd rather my money was going to HiG than some guy on eBay but I do feel kind of forced into this position at present.
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And what will happen in the meantime is that those who can buy the game will be buying it up and selling it on eBay for increasingly ridiculous prices while there's demand. I'd rather my money was going to HiG than some guy on eBay but I do feel kind of forced into this position at present.
+1 to this. Like I said in an earlier post, I don't mind having to buy an extra copy of the base game. However the short supply and inaccessability of a just released expansion is frustrating. If it were available online I would be happy to pay the price and postage.
I just got this reply from Mueller about availability online (translated from German by Google):
Since we are a chain store companies, we unfortunately have no way to ship the products to you. Thus, online ordering is not possible, as we offer no online shop on our website.
So we are left with eBay... and the good graces of German members of this forum! Are any of you willing to buy a few copies for the people on this topic interested in getting hold of one?
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So we are left with eBay... and the good graces of German members of this forum! Are any of you willing to buy a few copies for the people on this topic interested in getting hold of one?
Add me to the list of those who would appreciate some kind souls in Germany picking up some copies for us poor, unfortunate US members! My PayPal is at the ready!
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Add me to the list of those who would appreciate some kind souls in Germany picking up some copies for us poor, unfortunate US members! My PayPal is at the ready!
Will you do it for a non-German European as well?
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@danisthirty...you've just about nailed every thought and sentiment I have on the topic...great minds...
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Apparently there's a first run of only 1.000 copies for Mueller's 60th anniversary.
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Apparently there's a first run of only 1.000 copies for Mueller's 60th anniversary.
I've got this information directly from Moritz Brunnhofer (HiG) by call today.
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What implications will this have on whether the Die Belagerer tiles will be released on Cundco? Also, is there any chance that this will be the same expansion that Spielbox are running next month?
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Apparently there's a first run of only 1.000 copies for Mueller's 60th anniversary.
This message comes from our CarcF and relies on statements of Moritz Brunnhofer.
Muellers has around 650 stores on German and international terrain. Everyone can figure out how many pieces of the game are in each store.
Translation by Google Translator
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chris00 is selling two copies of "Die Belagerer" over at BoardGameGeek for 25 Euro.
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/geekstore.php3?action=viewitem&itemid=519632
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/geekstore.php3?action=viewitem&itemid=519631
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I think they're both gone already because the links don't work.
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No, they're still available, somehow the link is not working properly... Just copy the link from my post and paste it into a new page.
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Even copying and pasting didn't work for me. I had to copy the item code and open a different item them change the code. Weird. In any case, I was hoping it was for the whole box. I'm not going to pay
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One Belagerer just went for 22.50 Euro on Ebay plus 3 Euro shipping.
The prices are going down....
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I was watching this one too. The prices are indeed falling although it's frustrating that more people don't/ won't use PayPal as it costs a flat rate of 10 pounds to pay via direct bank transfer internationally from the UK. I would happily pay a bit more to cover the PayPal fees but I guess it's up to the seller how they receive payment...
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...on ebay was sold a copy of the box for 50 euro :o
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chris00 is selling two copies of "Die Belagerer" over at BoardGameGeek for 25 Euro.
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/geekstore.php3?action=viewitem&itemid=519632
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/geekstore.php3?action=viewitem&itemid=519631
It looks like it's 25 EUR for just the the 6 Belageler tiles. It's the same price as the whole game (tin box plus almost 100 tiles plus meeples plus score board). IMO, it shouldn't cost more than 10-12 EUR.
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Chris00 is the guy that did the artwork for the Cathars and Tunnels and possibly Die Belagerer as well.
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I talked with Moritz Brunnhofer at the fair in Leipzig about the Mueller-Box.
In the next time the Mueller discounter will get more Mueller-Boxes for sale.
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Personally, I don't feel that 25 Euros is asking too much even for a mere six tiles. I don't think anyone would pay that for just any six tiles but when there's limited supply and high demand the price is bound to be driven up; partly by completionists who are desperate to make sure that their collection remains complete, and partly by people wanting to sell them on and make a profit. People like us who want things so that we can actually play with them are, sadly, in the minority but the fact that we exist at all won't change how much these are selling for on eBay etc and consequently how much they are "worth" (since value is subjective).
The box contains 114 tiles (including the King and Robber Baron tokens), 40 Meeples and a Scoretrack. And a metal box of course. Apart from the Die Belagerer tiles though, none of these are hard to come by and I'd be willing to suggest that probably 95% of the people lucky enough to own one of these boxes bought it simply for the Die Belagerer tiles.
I think it's actually quite a generous gesture to offer these tiles for 25 Euros as the rest of the set is worthless by comparison. Well, not exactly worthless but certainly much easier to get elsewhere if they're not already owned. Obviously this is just an opinion though and I'm only too well aware that other people may feel differently about it!
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In the next time the Mueller discounter will get more Mueller-Boxes for sale.
Can I ask what the "Mueller discounter" exactly is?
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In the next time the Mueller discounter will get more Mueller-Boxes for sale.
Can I ask what the "Mueller discounter" exactly is?
Here is a link to the homepage from Mueller:
Please look at the pictures, than you know which things they have for sale:
http://www.mueller.de/filialwelt/uebersicht.html (http://www.mueller.de/filialwelt/uebersicht.html)
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Yes, I know what Meuller is, been there many times. I didn't understand what you meant by that sentence, but I think it's a translation issue. Nevermind. ;)
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I agree with danisthirty. If I was standing in the store looking at the game on the shelf I would probably buy it for 25EU - knowing I only wanted the 6 tiles. I wouldn't be saying to myself, "I know I can buy the base game for 15EU so the value of the 6 tiles is really only 10EU - there's no way I'm spending 25!". I would reason that what I am paying for, really, is the 6 tiles. So then, all you have to do is get over the fact that a middle man is making some extra money - and it becomes the same 25EU. That is the value of it being made available.
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Here is my Mueller Box - a present from the members at CarcF:
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Very nice! :(y)
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Here is my Mueller Box - a present from the members at CarcF:
Excellent. You deserve it. You've earned. :(y)
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Good to see Kettlefish getting something for a change; I think she works harder than the rest of us combined.
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Here! Here! :(y)
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So, I was just looking at my new Besieger tiles, and then I compared them to my Siege and Cathars tiles and...GREAT SCOTT!!! They're completely different tile arrangements. I had previously thought that the Besiegers were the same tiles as Cathars/Siege + two new tiles. But lo and behold, they are all new tile arrangements compared to the originals. Not a single repeat. Did anyone else notice this? This means something quite important: Cathars remains a completely separate expansion, now. It gets included as a separate expansion in all official circles. Siege? Well, Siege is a reprint of Cathars, albeit with different artwork, so it still doesn't count when I count "official" expansions for my scenarios. Anyway, wow! What a realization.
(http://cf.geekdo-images.com/images/pic56574.jpg)
(http://cf.geekdo-images.com/images/pic2262098_md.jpg)
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I hope you like this new landscape tiles...
Here is a link to the German rules for the "Belagerer":
CarcF - Belagerer (http://www.carcassonne-forum.de/viewtopic.php?f=167&t=1197)
At CundCo you can also find the German rule for the Belagerer:
Mini-Erweiterung - Die Belagerer (http://www.cundco.de/shop/?tx_dkdshop%5Bcategory%5D=1&tx_dkdshop%5Bproduct%5D=112)
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This means something quite important: Cathars remains a completely separate expansion, now. It gets included as a separate expansion in all official circles. Siege? Well, Siege is a reprint of Cathars, albeit with different artwork, so it still doesn't count when I count "official" expansions for my scenarios. Anyway, wow! What a realization.
Interestingly the fact that they are different causes a new dilemma when I want to play with both belagerers and cathars/ siege- the cathar tiles look nicer, but the siege tiles match the belagerer tiles better...