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Today I've read some interesting things about a KickStarter project from QueenGames.

Kingdom Builder - Expansion 3 - Marshes

The author of the game Kingdom Builder is Donald X. Vaccarino. (he is also the author of Dominion - publisher RGG).

The author talked at BoradGameGeek (BGG) about his trouble with the publisher QueenGames - here are some links to BGG:

Kingdom Builder: Marshlands Stealth Announced, Put on Kickstarter, Canceled

Queen hasn't paid DonnyX for KB since 2014, so maybe think twice before backing the KS?

Donald X.: The contract expires if they haven't published the expansion by June 30 2015

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Re: Queen Games - Kingdom Builder-Marshes - Canceled - KickStarter
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2015, 11:31:54 PM »
The Kickstarter project "Kingdom Builder - Marshes" regular end was the 30 06 2015.
The contract with the author Donald x. Vaccarino is ending on the same day - 30 06 2015. That means Queen Games liked to produce a product without a permission of the author. Donald X. Vaccarino didn't expand or renew the contract with Queen Games.
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Please members - are careful with KickStarter projects - we don't know if the publisher of a game has really the rights from its author to publish it.

I hope that all people will get their money back from Queen Games.

It is not a good publicity for the game industry what such a comany was doing.
 
Please publisher of a game - check first if the contracts are actual and if you have fulfilled your contracts with the authors and graphic artists.
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this is not the first time that a KickStarter project goes wrong. In the past I thought only people who has not much knowledge of the business went wrong with a KickStarter project for a board game.

But I am really surprised that a company of board games doesn't know what they are doing because that is their business.

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Re: Queen Games - Kingdom Builder-Marshes - Canceled - KickStarter
« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2015, 02:52:45 AM »
I saw this last night, I was a little disappointed because I was considering backing.

One of the links suggested that Queen only pay designers at the end of the year (in April) and it was approaching the 90 days after that period and Donald x. Vaccarino had not been paid.  As a result he did not feel inclined to renew the license with Queen Games and so the Kickstarter breached the license.

Hopefully Donald will be paid soon and maybe Kingdom Builder will continue  :(y)

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Re: Queen Games - Kingdom Builder-Marshes - Canceled - KickStarter
« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2015, 06:15:53 AM »
With so much transparency and open communication, especially from designers, if companies want the benefit of financing from crowd funding. It would seem it is in their best interest to operate with the highest ethics. Saying that, I have been burned by two unfulfilled Kickstarters in the past.

Maybe that risk and reward is one of the reasons I find the format so compelling. Over all, with about 40 projects backed (mostly game related), my experiences have generally been positive.
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Re: Queen Games - Kingdom Builder-Marshes - Canceled - KickStarter
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2015, 01:27:45 PM »
The news are around the boardgames blogger - examples:

Dice Tower News

purplepawn

Hunter&Cron - German -  a youtube and blogger side - in their newest video they tell us about the new kickstarter project and at the button of the video runs a banner that the information is old because of the canceled project.

the German blog from TricTrac there are also the news.

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Re: Queen Games - Kingdom Builder-Marshes - Canceled - KickStarter
« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2015, 07:10:35 AM »
Interesting reading!

I decided to get a copy of the Android Kingdom Builder today for my phone - it is quite fun; a bit short perhaps.  I find there is little interaction between players during a 2-player game, but I can see 3-4players getting interesting; when you start running out of space.

It seems very similar to HiG's much older Fjords game; with some movement modifiers and no carcassonne-eque map building phase.

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Re: Queen Games - Kingdom Builder-Marshes - Canceled - KickStarter
« Reply #6 on: December 24, 2015, 01:21:10 PM »
It's back, looks like the dispute was resolved:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1016374822/kingdom-builder-marshlands

Just in time for Christmas!

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Re: Queen Games - Kingdom Builder-Marshes - Canceled - KickStarter
« Reply #7 on: December 25, 2015, 02:21:26 AM »
Ugh. To justify $115, or not to justify $115. I really have not been a fan of Queen these days and my partner isn't a fan of Kingdom Builder base game. I may have to compare prices and wait until this Kickstarter is ending before I decide. Yes, that sounds like an agonisingly terrible idea.

The fact that I won't even get it until 2018 is also not a welcome thought.
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Re: Queen Games - Kingdom Builder-Marshes - Canceled - KickStarter
« Reply #8 on: December 25, 2015, 04:19:24 AM »
I've been looking for a English language BigBox since the last KS was cancelled and couldn't find anything for less than $115 when postage and fees were included.  Buying all the bits individually is silly money here in the UK too.

I know Queens has had a bad rep but their recent KS like Treasure Hunter has reached stores on time.  Estimates are set for June 2016 so not too long to wait.

It sounds like DXV has one more expansion in the works too.

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Re: Queen Games - Kingdom Builder-Marshes - Canceled - KickStarter
« Reply #9 on: December 26, 2015, 09:31:28 AM »
Looking at this as well, despite Queen'b bad rep. I've already got the Big Box and would like to only get Marshlands and Queen #3, but there isn't the perfect backing option for that. I wish they would have had individual add ons.

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Re: Queen Games - Kingdom Builder-Marshes - Canceled - KickStarter
« Reply #10 on: December 26, 2015, 09:37:01 AM »
I think they might change their mind when enough people ask. I  think queenie 3 is available on BGGStore. Here's a link:

http://boardgamegeekstore.com/products/kingdom-builder-queenie-3-the-island

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« Reply #11 on: December 26, 2015, 09:56:07 AM »
I think they might change their mind when enough people ask. I  think queenie 3 is available on BGGStore. Here's a link:

http://boardgamegeekstore.com/products/kingdom-builder-queenie-3-the-island

Thanks Decar - I saw that and had it in my cart. (I've bought many items from them in the past.) This item is oversized so the shipping is the same price (actually a little more) than the $8 cost of #3. With the bad Canadian dollar it comes to $22 CND delivered. For those extra $20 I can up the basic Marshlands pledge to the $50 that includes the 200 buildings and All three bonus Queenie's (already have the first two in the Big Box). This option might be the way to go!

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Re: Queen Games - Kingdom Builder-Marshes - Canceled - KickStarter
« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2015, 05:47:25 AM »
I'm actually thinking of pledging another $50 for an extra copy of the caves, capitol promos and settlements .  With all the game boards and extra pieces a mega-kingdom builder has to start being an option and the extra bits might be handy!

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Re: Queen Games - Kingdom Builder-Marshes - Canceled - KickStarter
« Reply #13 on: January 02, 2016, 04:14:41 PM »
Sigh. I really wanted to back this but between my sad state of finance right now and the fact that my partner literally asked halfway through the Kingdom Builder digital game if we can stop and play Ticket to Ride, I feel this will be a bust. I know the expansions greatly improve the base game, especially the first one, but I think the game is just too sullied for her to even try to enjoy at this point. Sad times... :-(

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Re: Queen Games - Kingdom Builder-Marshes - Canceled - KickStarter
« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2016, 07:26:48 AM »
My partner literally asked halfway through the Kingdom Builder digital game if we can stop.

I know this feeling - I'll persist though.  BTW are you iOS or Android - perhaps I can send you a challenge, if I can rest my bretspiele password.


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