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Carc Central Community => News and Events => Topic started by: Scott on November 02, 2022, 01:41:00 PM
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Just when you thought you knew every Carcassonne expansion that had been published, one of your friends ([mention]BigBoss [/mention] ) manages to stumble across this long-forgotten gem from nine years ago!
Christmas Present was released in December 2013 by the Hungarian publisher Piatnik through JEM - Játékos Emberek Magazinja as a print-and-play expansion. Although coinciding with the release of the Winter Edition, the artwork on the 64 cards was drawn from the decidedly non-winter original artwork by Doris Matthäus, though this expansion can work well with any edition.
This expansion is so similar to The Gifts (released 2021) that we suspect it may have served as inspiration. The original Hungarian version contains many more abilities, however, and the cards are divided into two separate decks of 32 cards each. Some cards are resolved immediately upon drawing, while others are saved for the right moment.
It’s unclear whether Piatnik ever produced any physical copies. The BGG entry showed zero owners of this expansion prior to registering my handmade copy. Is this the only physical copy in existence?
(https://i.ibb.co/WzFCTvJ/BBC95-F57-B995-4-DF4-A1-CB-BB5-FFF1552-DF.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GMkmhQS)
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What the hell Is that now?!? :o
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What the hell Is that now?!? :o
Exactly my thoughts when I discovered this extension the other day ;-)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140214161909/http://jemmagazin.hu:80/carcassonne-karacsonyi-ajandek
@Scott
Thanks for your review and your beautiful handmade edition!
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There is a download link but not for the game :-[
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@aenima
JEM have said they will upload the PDF to their website, but check your pm ;-)
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The rules are up on Wikicarpedia.
https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Christmas_Present
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Great job!
+1 merit from me.
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The rules are up on Wikicarpedia.
https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Christmas_Present
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You are really fast Scott +1 merit fromme
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Thanks and merits to both LaPorxada (aka Big Boss) for finding this and Scott for printing and translating. Just looked at the rules. Wow, the one gift grants double points for the rest of the game. If gotten early that would be a HUGE advantage. Anyone else think that card might be a little too powerful?? Anyway, great little find. Thanks again!
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Wow - this is HUGE!!
Thanks @LaPorxada (aka BigBoss) for digging this up .. keep digging ( you seem to be good at it) >:D
+1 merit from me
And thanks @Scott for making this accessible for everyone with lightening speed. Impressive ! :(y) Great to see you in action like this . ( to everyone : I recommend the CarC Discord server -> there we were able to witness how it happened…)
+ 1 merit from me
For me this looks even more interesting than The Gifts …
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Thank u Bigboss :)
Merit!
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Just when you thought you knew every Carcassonne expansion that had been published, one of your friends ([mention]BigBoss [/mention] ) manages to stumble across this long-forgotten gem from nine years ago!
Christmas Present was released in December 2013 by the Hungarian publisher Piatnik through JEM - Játékos Emberek Magazinja as a print-and-play expansion. Although coinciding with the release of the Winter Edition, the artwork on the 64 cards was drawn from the decidedly non-winter original artwork by Doris Matthäus, though this expansion can work well with any edition.
This expansion is so similar to The Gifts (released 2021) that we suspect it may have served as inspiration. The original Hungarian version contains many more abilities, however, and the cards are divided into two separate decks of 32 cards each. Some cards are resolved immediately upon drawing, while others are saved for the right moment.
It’s unclear whether Piatnik ever produced any physical copies. The BGG entry showed zero owners of this expansion prior to registering my handmade copy. Is this the only physical copy in existence?
(https://i.ibb.co/WzFCTvJ/BBC95-F57-B995-4-DF4-A1-CB-BB5-FFF1552-DF.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GMkmhQS)
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How did you manage to print the cards and cut them cleanly?
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I printed the cards on 110lb cardstock. My colour printer does not automatically duplex, so first I printed one side, then flipped the sheets over to print the other side. The artwork lined up perfectly.
Then it was over to the crafting table where I have a self-healing cutting mat (on extended loan from my mom’s collection of supplies), a metal ruler, utility knife, and corner cutter (recommended to me by [mention]MMike [/mention]). Line up the ruler with the guide marks and cut away the excess, then divide the cards from each other. Then a marathon session on the corner rounder (3mm radius) to make it look professional.
It took me longer to create the tuckbox. My first attempt was slightly undersized in two dimensions, but once I fixed that it was easy. Cut out the box, use the metal ruler near the edge of the table to make nice clean folds, trim a few pieces deliberately leftover, put a little glue on the flap, and assemble.
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@aenima
JEM have said they will upload the PDF to their website,
Hi BigBoss, have you seen the pdf added to the JEM website? My language skills (lack of) are hindering my searching.
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The pdf published by JEM can be found here:
https://jemmagazin.hu/regi/pdfmagazin/Carcassonne_Karacsony.pdf
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@aenima
JEM have said they will upload the PDF to their website,
Hi BigBoss, have you seen the pdf added to the JEM website? My language skills (lack of) are hindering my searching.
I have my own version - but I am aware of the file from Jems website.
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Thanks and merits to both LaPorxada (aka Big Boss) for finding this and Scott for printing and translating. Just looked at the rules. Wow, the one gift grants double points for the rest of the game. If gotten early that would be a HUGE advantage. Anyone else think that card might be a little too powerful?? Anyway, great little find. Thanks again!
This is wrong translation. The original Hungarian rules say that with this card you get 2 points for each meeple in your supply AT THE END OF THE GAME.
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This is wrong translation. The original Hungarian rules say that with this card you get 2 points for each meeple in your supply AT THE END OF THE GAME.
Thanks, I've made the correction!
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Hi,
After reading the original Hungarian rules I suggest some corrections to the translation:
:red-meeple: : current English translation at the WICA
:green-meeple: : suggested correction by me
:violet-meeple: : my comments
Score an unfinished cloister for +1 points per tile.
Score an unfinished cloister for +1 points per tile (except for the closter tile itself).
Score double points for the remainder of the game.
Score 2 points for each of your meeples left in your supply.
When occupied fields are joined, score +1 point for each completed city.
When scoring a field with shared majority, score +1 point for each completed city.
Rotate an opponent's meeple onto its side to prevent it from being returned when the feature is completed.
Rotate (lay down) all meeples on a corresponding feature to prevent it from being returned when the feature is completed. If, later in the game, another meeple is deployed to this feature* it must be laid down as well. Points for the feature are awarded only at the end of the game.
* Might be a case when playing with The flier or Crop circles?
+ It needs to be clarified what happens when this feature joins another where meeples aren’t laid down. I suppose they should be affected, too.
When scoring a feature where two players share majority, the player who activates this card gains +1 influence.
I think this is a card where a clarfication would be necessary. The wording of original rules seems to indicate that the card can be activated on incomplete features, too: it mentions that if another player activates a similar card on the same feature, the two cards cancel each other. (BTW: do they cancel each other when three or more players share majority and two of those players activate such a card?)
Exchange an opponent's meeple on the corresponding feature type for one from your supply.
Exchange an opponent's meeple on the corresponding feature type for one of your own meeples on a feature of the same type.
Force an opponent to place their tile in the location of your choosing.
Force the next player to place their tile in the location of your choosing.
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Also, there are some mistranslations in the introduction.
It happens once every year, it's cold, everything is covered in snow and the whole world is decorated with pine trees. The Farmer is free of work. Christmas. In this case, millions of gifts find their owners. They are very happy with some of them, but sometimes the feeling "they shouldn't have opened the package" overwhelms the person. In this add-on players will receive gifts and not all of them will be happy ones (at least for the other players)
What is it? It happens once every year, it's cold, everything is covered in snow and the whole world is decorating pine trees. Shall I tell you the answer? Of course, it is Christmas.
This is when millions of gifts find their owners. They are very happy with some of them, but sometimes the feeling "they shouldn't have opened the package" overwhelms the person. In this add-on players will receive gifts and not all of them will be happy ones (at least for the other players)
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I have implemented all corrections and made a post on Facebook (and tagged Rachel Anthony-Rowlands who made the English PDF) to let people know that changes have been made in case they printed something out (this is why online rules are better than printed).
Might be a case when playing with The flier or Crop circles?
Yes, those are certainly ways for meeples to be deployed to a feature. I think the rules allow for it as they are written. I don't know how to do the expansion interaction thing, so if someone else wants to add it that would be much appreciated.
It needs to be clarified what happens when this feature joins another where meeples aren’t laid down. I suppose they should be affected, too.
I've added a footenote stating that when features are joined and one has meeples laid down, the other should too.
I think this is a card where a clarfication would be necessary. The wording of original rules seems to indicate that the card can be activated on incomplete features, too: it mentions that if another player activates a similar card on the same feature, the two cards cancel each other. (BTW: do they cancel each other when three or more players share majority and two of those players activate such a card?)
I've added the cancellation thing to the main text, and added a footnote for the situation where three or more players share majority. I've taken the position that the two players who play tiebreaker cards will both have +1 influence over the other players and share the majority between the two of them, to the exclusion of the other players. I think this makes the most sense.
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I have implemented all corrections and made a post on Facebook (and tagged Rachel Anthony-Rowlands who made the English PDF) to let people know that changes have been made in case they printed something out (this is why online rules are better than printed).
:(y)
I think this is a card where a clarfication would be necessary. The wording of original rules seems to indicate that the card can be activated on incomplete features, too: it mentions that if another player activates a similar card on the same feature, the two cards cancel each other. (BTW: do they cancel each other when three or more players share majority and two of those players activate such a card?)
I've added the cancellation thing to the main text, and added a footnote for the situation where three or more players share majority. I've taken the position that the two players who play tiebreaker cards will both have +1 influence over the other players and share the majority between the two of them, to the exclusion of the other players. I think this makes the most sense.
I agree. What I don't really like is that if this card can be activated on an incomplete feature then the players need to memorize who activated the card and which incomplete feature is affected.
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Great work @Leven ! Thank you for helping with the translation!
I'm looking forward to trying these out in a game :)
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Thanks for your help with the translation @Leven !!!
With the current hype, it was so important to have it quickly >:D
+1 merit
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It took me longer to create the tuckbox. My first attempt was slightly undersized in two dimensions, but once I fixed that it was easy. Cut out the box, use the metal ruler near the edge of the table to make nice clean folds, trim a few pieces deliberately leftover, put a little glue on the flap, and assemble.
Where did you get the English version of the tuckbox from? The PDF file on the JEM website linked above is in Hungarian?
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I made the tuckbox myself.
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