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General / The Gingerbread Man in WE3?
« on: November 30, 2023, 08:15:31 AM »
See this Facebook post of HiG. In the image we can see a WE3 monastery and a WE3 garden. Is this HiG's method to tell us that they intend to release the The Gingerbread Man expansion in WE3?

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General / Spin-offs with German boxes but with Romanian CDs?
« on: November 27, 2023, 12:07:17 PM »
From Carcassonne CZ Forum (https://www.carcassonneforum.cz/thread-3023-post-15244.html?highlight=rumunsky#pid15244, https://www.carcassonneforum.cz/thread-1251.html, https://carcassonneforum.cz/xthreads_attach.php/1658_1540298111_4310444c/3442dc864bd7bebbabf49c34ac4b3e2b/carcassonne_uber_back.jpg), I have found out that there is a version of Over Hills and Dales with German box, but with a CD attached with rules in Romanian. This might be of interest for https://wikicarpedia.com/car/Collections_and_Expansions and https://wikicarpedia.com/car/Lineart WICA pages. From the photo of the box, I deduce that Lineart (the Romanian publisher of Carcassonne) is involved.

There are also similar info about Star Wars: https://www.carcassonneforum.cz/thread-3092-post-15059.html?highlight=rumunsky#pid15059 & https://www.abelkiado.ro/ro/carte/1059/carcassonne-star-wars.

Does anybody know more about this?

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General / How to create an account on Carcassonne-Forum?
« on: November 25, 2023, 02:49:19 PM »
Seriously. I have tried to create an account on https://www.carcassonne-forum.de/. After entering the all requested data, I should have received a confirmation e-mail. That e-mail never came, and as such I cannot log in my account. I have contacted CarcF via https://www.carcassonne-forum.de/contactadmin, but no response came. What should I do next?


BTW, from the footer of CarcF I have found out that a Carcassonne forum in Latvian do exist: https://www.carcassonne.lv/. This is not featured in WICA's sidebar (https://wikicarpedia.com/car/MediaWiki:Sidebar). Carcassonne Latvija is not very active, though.


P.S. The WICA link to the Czech forum links to https://www.carcassonneforum.cz/%7CCarc; it should link to https://www.carcassonneforum.cz/index.php instead.

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Official Rules / The Drawbridges – Rules
« on: November 17, 2023, 01:33:00 PM »
https://wikicarpedia.com/car/The_Drawbridges (https://cundco.de/media/pdf/2e/7b/5d/Die-Zugbruecken-Regel-The-Drawbridges-rules.pdf)
NOTE: I might make major edits to this post, including adding additional questions or modifying the already listed ones.

Let's discuss WICA related changes needed for The Drawbridges WICA page (https://wikicarpedia.com/car/The_Drawbridges), the The Drawbridges related changes needed in other WICA pages, and the rules for this expansion, both when played only with the base game and when played with the base game and other expansion(s).

Stuff that (most likely) does not has to be discussed (but should be clarified by WICA):

As a note, I think that it is clever that HiG provided us 2 CCRFs and 2 CCFRs (https://wikicarpedia.com/images/2/22/The_Drawbridges_C3_Promo_Image.jpg).

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Official Rules / The Spell Cirlces – Rules
« on: October 18, 2023, 08:36:00 AM »
https://wikicarpedia.com/car/The_Spell_Circles#2a._Placing_ghosts

What happens if, with the same tile, you expand and limit a mist with spell circles? You add 1 ghost from the supply to another player, 1 ghost from a spell circle to another player, 1 ghost from the supply to yourself, and the remaining ghosts in the spell circles of that mist to yourself, isn't it? The rules are not explicit on this matter.

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Official Rules / The Wonders of Humanity – Rules
« on: September 10, 2023, 06:24:23 AM »
NOTE: I might make major edits to this post, including adding additional questions or modifying the already listed ones.

Let's discuss WICA related changes needed for The Wonders of Humanity WICA page (https://wikicarpedia.com/car/The_Wonders_of_Humanity), the The Wonders of Humanity related changes needed in other WICA pages, and the rules for this expansion, both when played only with the base game and when played with the base game and other expansion(s).

Stuff that has to be discussed (and should be clarified by WICA): :o
  • https://wikicarpedia.com/car/The_Wonders_of_Humanity#3._Scoring_a_wonderIf you complete one or more roads that score points during the gameIn other words, you do not receive the 3 points bonus from Stonehenge if you complete an unoccupied road, isn't it? But you score this 3 points bonus only if you complete an occupied road, occupied whether by you and/or somebody, whether who has the majority of the road, isn't it?
  • https://wikicarpedia.com/car/The_Wonders_of_Humanity#PreparationTo mark your wonder later, we recommend you to take another (marker) meeple in your color. You can also use something else in your color as a marker.If you use a normal meeple as a marker meeple, can you remove it from the wonder with the festival and use it later to place it on, say, a road? If you use "something else in your color as a marker", you cannot use it later as a normal meeple, isn't it?
  • https://wikicarpedia.com/car/The_Wonders_of_Humanity#cite_note-3Some wonder tiles include multiple cities spreading across multiple square spaces. Each space should be counted like a separate tile.A meeple placed on a wonder is not placed on a particular tile. As such, meeples placed on wonders cannot be eaten by the dragon, captured by towers, removed by plague... isn't it?
  • https://wikicarpedia.com/car/The_Wonders_of_Humanity#cite_note-3Some wonder tiles include multiple cities spreading across multiple square spaces. Each space should be counted like a separate tile.A meeple placed on a wonder is placed in a special area (like the City of Carcassonne, the City of Leipzig and the Wheel of Fortune). As such, ghosts and the fairy cannot be assigned to meeples placed on wonders, isn't it?
  • https://wikicarpedia.com/car/The_Wonders_of_Humanity#cite_note-3Some wonder tiles include multiple cities spreading across multiple square spaces. Each space should be counted like a separate tile.A meeple placed on a wonder is not placed on a particular tile. As such, you cannot move a wagon on a wonder; or use a portal, a flying machine, a "Change position" gift card, a 20th Anniversary "Add a meeple" symbol, or a 20th Anniversary "Place a meeple" symbol" to place a meeple on a wonder, isn't it?
  • https://wikicarpedia.com/car/The_Wonders_of_Humanity#3._Scoring_a_wonderDuring the game, if you place one of your meeples on one of the 8 tiles around a monastery, you immediately score 3 points.The bonus points from Notre-Dame are provided in 2B-1? Or 3A, 3B or 3C?
  • https://wikicarpedia.com/car/The_Wonders_of_Humanity#3._Scoring_a_wonderIf you complete one or more roads that score points during the game, you immediately score 3 points for each of those road scorings, even if you don't have a meeple on the road yourself.The bonus points from Stonehenge are provided in 1C? Or 3A, 3B or 3C?
  • https://wikicarpedia.com/car/The_Wonders_of_Humanity#3._Scoring_a_wonderDuring the game, if you place one of your meeples on one of the 8 tiles around a monastery, you immediately score 3 points.Do you receive the 3 points bonus from Notre-Dame if you place a meeple on a tile next to a German monastery occupied only by meeples placed as abbot(s)?
  • https://wikicarpedia.com/car/The_Wonders_of_Humanity#cite_note-3Some wonder tiles include multiple cities spreading across multiple square spaces. Each space should be counted like a separate tile.A meeple placed on a wonder is placed in a special area (like the City of Carcassonne, the City of Leipzig and the Wheel of Fortune). A meeple placed on a wonder is not placed on a particular tile. As such, meeples placed on wonders cannot receive points from the big top, isn't it?
  • https://wikicarpedia.com/car/The_Wonders_of_Humanity#3._Scoring_a_wonderDuring the game, if you place one of your meeples on one of the 8 tiles around a monastery, you immediately score 3 points.If you place a meeple on this road (see the second image), you cannot perform a fruit action, as the road tile is to far away from the tree tile, isn't it?
  • https://wikicarpedia.com/car/The_Wonders_of_Humanity#1._Placing_a_wonder_tile, https://wikicarpedia.com/car/The_Wonders_of_Humanity#cite_note-3If there is a wonder in front of you, you do not draw a tile, but instead place your wonder according to the usual rules. Once you have placed it, you mark your wonder with your marker meeple by placing it in the center of the wonder (not on a city, road or field). and Some wonder tiles include multiple cities spreading across multiple square spaces. Each space should be counted like a separate tile.A meeple placed on a wonder is not placed on a particular tile. As such, you cannot perform a fruit action by placing a meeple on a fruit action, isn't it? Also, another reason is that that meeple is placed during 1C, not 2B-1.
  • https://wikicarpedia.com/car/The_Wonders_of_Humanity#cite_note-3If there is a wonder in front of you, you do not draw a tile, but instead place your wonder according to the usual rules. Once you have placed it, you mark your wonder with your marker meeple by placing it in the center of the wonder (not on a city, road or field).If you have a tile from a bazaar, you first place the tile from bazaar, then you place the wonder tile in a later turn.
  • https://wikicarpedia.com/car/The_Wonders_of_Humanity#3._Scoring_a_featureThe first player to get 10 or more points by scoring (landing on or crossing the 10 space on the scoreboard) performs the following steps in this order:This condition should not be fulfilled with a red scoring meeple on space 3 and a red messenger on space 7, as red should have a scoring figure on the space 10, where those 2 meeples are placed next by – per analogy with a blue robber that cannot rob points from the red scoring meeple if the blue robber is on the same space with the red messenger, when the red scoring meeple is not on the same space as the red messenger.
  • https://wikicarpedia.com/car/The_Wonders_of_Humanity#3._Scoring_a_featureIf more than one player reaches the space with the meeples on the same turn, the active player chooses which of them will take their meeples (moving the others) and choose a wonder. Therefore, it is possible that another player who has also reached the space will have to wait.Those 2 meeples and the wonder are taken during 3C, immediately after the step of deploying a meeple to the City of Carcassonne (or possibly during 4A?). It does not matter who reaches the space 10 first during the turn sequence – if yellow uses a gift and reaches space 10 during 1B, and red reaches space 10 during 3B, then the player who takes 2 meeples and a wonder can be either red or yellow, according to the active player's decision.
  • https://wikicarpedia.com/car/The_Wonders_of_Humanity#2._Placing_a_meeple_on_a_wonder_tileAfter you have placed and marked your wonder, you may immediately place up to 2 meeples on different unoccupied features (city, road, monastery or field) of this wonder tile. You may also place only one or no meeple.The placing of the second meeple is just an add-on the the normal meeple placement. That is, if you decide to place just 1 meeple instead of two in a turn where you have placed a wonder, you cannot perform a special action (like placing an acrobat or moving the tollhouse) instead of placing a second figure on the wonder tile. In other words, in a turn during which you have placed a wonder tile and a marker meeple on the wonder during 1C, during 2B-1 you mai either choose to a) Place 1 meeple or special figure (including the barn) on the wonder tile; b) Place 1 meeple and 1 special figure (including the barn) on the wonder tile; c) Place 2 meeples on the wonder tile; d) Place 2 special figures (including the barn) on the wonder tile; e) Perform a special action that does not involve placing a figure (including the barn) on the wonder tile (like removing the abbot, placing a tower floor, placing an acrobat, protecting a meeple against peasant revolts... you name it). You may also do nothing, of course.
  • https://wikicarpedia.com/car/The_Wonders_of_Humanity#2._Placing_a_meeple_on_a_wonder_tileAfter you have placed and marked your wonder, you may immediately place up to 2 meeples on different unoccupied features (city, road, monastery or field) of this wonder tile. You may also place only one or no meeple.You can place 2 meeples on the same square space of the wonder tile (for example, on the Notre-Dame tile, you can place a monk on the monastery and also a farmer on the same square space with the monastery), isn't it?
  • https://wikicarpedia.com/car/The_Wonders_of_Humanity#cite_note-3Some wonder tiles include multiple cities spreading across multiple square spaces. Each space should be counted like a separate tile.A flier considers a wonder tile as 5 distinct normal tiles both when landing and when counting the fly area.
  • https://wikicarpedia.com/car/The_Wonders_of_Humanity#3._Scoring_a_wonderDuring the game, if you place one of your meeples on one of the 8 tiles around a monastery, you immediately score 3 points.Do you have to also place the tile around the monastery in order to receive these 3 points? If so, you should not receive these 3 points when using nonconventional means for placing a meeple on a tile adjacent with a monastery (for e.g. by using a portal to place a meeple on a tile placed in another turn adjacent to the monastery).
  • https://wikicarpedia.com/car/The_Wonders_of_Humanity#Preparation, https://wikicarpedia.com/car/The_Wonders_of_Humanity#1._Placing_a_wonder_tileTo mark your wonder later, we recommend you to take another (marker) meeple in your color. You can also use something else in your color as a marker. and Once you have placed it, you mark your wonder with your marker meeple by placing it in the center of the wonder (not on a city, road or field). The marker meeple that is placed beside the scoring board is always a normal meeple. As such, whether the expansions that are used in the game, you can only place a normal meeple on a wonder, that is, never a large meeple, wagon, guard meeple, and so on.
  • https://wikicarpedia.com/car/The_Wonders_of_Humanity#3._Scoring_a_wonderIf you complete one or more occupied roads during your turn (not when playing the Stonehenge wonder tile itself), you immediately score 3 points for each road you complete (even if you don't have a meeple on the road yourself). After that, you score the road as usual.If you place a tile that completes an unoccupied road, and in the same turn, you place a highwaymen on that just completed road, you do not receive 3 points if you have a marker meeple on Stonehenge, as you have completed an unoccupied road, even if you immediately occupied that road.
  • https://wikicarpedia.com/car/The_Wonders_of_Humanity#3._Scoring_a_wonderIf you complete one or more occupied roads during your turn (not when playing the Stonehenge wonder tile itself), you immediately score 3 points for each road you complete (even if you don't have a meeple on the road yourself). After that, you score the road as usual.If you place a tile that completes 2 occupied roads. you receive 6 points or 2 times 3 points?
  • https://wikicarpedia.com/car/The_Wonders_of_Humanity#PreparationChoose 1 wonder tile per player. Place them faceup next to the scoreboard. Discard the remaining wonder tiles, you do not need them for this game.Who chooses the wonder tiles? The all players choose which tiles are discarded and which are not, depending on the number of players? You, according to your will? You, but choosing and discarding randomly tiles according to the number of palyers?

Stuff that (most likely) does not has to be discussed (but should be clarified by WICA): ???

Questions that (no longer) need an answer:
  • https://wikicarpedia.com/car/The_Wonders_of_Humanity#3._Scoring_a_wonderDuring the game, if you place one of your meeples on one of the 8 tiles around a monastery, you immediately score 3 points.If you place a meeple on this road (see the first image), do you receive the 3 points bonus from the Notre-Dame for placing a meeple next to a monastic building?
  • https://wikicarpedia.com/car/The_Wonders_of_Humanity#3._Scoring_a_wonderStarting with the turn in which you place and mark your wonder, you can use it to score points. and If you complete one or more roads that score points during the game, you immediately score 3 points for each of those road scorings, even if you don't have a meeple on the road yourself. After that, you score the road as usual.During a turn, you place Stonehenge, and you connect one or two or three of the roads from the Stonehenge tile to roads already occupied, completing them. Do you receive 3 points (bonus from Stonehenge) for completing one or two or three of those roads?

Pages that have to be updated: ;)

P.S. :D
  • https://wikicarpedia.com/car/The_Wonders_of_Humanity#PreparationWe recommend you to play The Wonders of Humanity with more than just the basic game tiles (about 90+). You can use any tiles you want (more basic game tiles or from the (mini) expansions, without having to play with their rules).Any chance for official clarifications for interactions between The Wonders of Humanity and other expansions?

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WICA is not consistent regarding this issue:

It makes no sense to be allowed to place a meeple as an abbot on a completely surrounded German monastery via a flying machine, while not being allowed to place a meeple as an abbot on a completely surrounded German monastery via a "Place a meeple" arrow symbol.

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Official Rules / You can assign ghosts to meeples placed on...
« on: June 26, 2023, 03:43:00 PM »
Context:

WICA says that you can assign ghosts to meeples placed in the City of Carcassonne or the City of Leipzig. However, I do not think that this is true, as you cannot assign a fairy to meeples placed in the City of Carcassonne or the City of Leipzig. Also, assigning ghosts to meeples placed in the City of Leipzig would defeat the scope of the The Markets of Leipzig expansion. :-\

Any opinions?

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General / Fields separation in The Bets
« on: June 22, 2023, 11:45:42 AM »

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General / Better search bar for WICA
« on: February 19, 2023, 03:44:59 AM »
If you do not type the exact title of the page:
If you type the exact title of the page:

The search bar should provide search suggestions even when not typing the exact title.

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General / WikiCarpedia and Carcassonne Central traffic
« on: February 09, 2023, 05:45:15 PM »
See these links:

Some notes:
  • WikiCarpedia has much more views per month than Carcassonne Central
  • WikiCarpedia and Carcassonne Central are accessed very often from Poland
  • WikiCarpedia's monthly traffic is increasing, while Carcassonne Central's monthly traffic is decreasing

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General / WikiCarpedia or Wikicarpedia?
« on: January 19, 2023, 11:21:44 AM »
It is spelled "WikiCarpedia" or "Wikicarpedia"? https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Wikicarpedia:About contains "Wikicarpedia:About" and "Welcome to WikiCarpedia, the Carcassonne Complete Annotated Rules Wiki!".

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General / WICA in German
« on: December 19, 2022, 03:22:15 PM »
Why WikiCarpedia lacks so many content in German language? It is weird, as the original rules were written in German.

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Official Rules / EPIC: Castles (Exp. 8) and cemeteries (Exp. 11)
« on: December 09, 2022, 03:04:23 PM »
One of the 6 tiles from the area of a castle (from Exp. 8) is a cemetery tile (from Exp. 11). The cemetery is completed in a later turn. The castle is occupied by 1 meeple. The cemetery is the only feature that can be chosen by the castle owner. The cemetery is scored as usual, if occupied, but what happens with the castle?

a) Nothing special; a castle does not consider cemeteries. The meeple stays on the castle. The meeple is not returned to its owner, and does not score points for now.

b) A completed cemetery always grants 0 points to a castle; the owner of the castle scores 0 points, and the meeple placed on the castle is returned to its owner.

c) A completed cemetery always grants 1 guard meeple to a castle, if one is available; the owner of the castle scores 0 points but receives 1 guard meeple in their color (if there are no longer any guard meeples in their color in the supply, nothing happens), and the meeple placed on the castle is returned to its owner.

The option c) seems to me the logic one.

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Official Rules / Moving the fairy (castles and wagons)
« on: December 06, 2022, 06:01:47 AM »
Case #1: The fairy is assigned to a meeple placed on a 1-tile city. What happens to the fairy if that 1-tile city turns into a castle?

Case #2: The fairy is assigned to a wagon. What happens tp the fairy if that wagon moves after scoring?

These cases are not covered by WICA: https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Princess_and_The_Dragon, https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Abbey_and_the_Mayor and https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Bridges,_Castles_and_Bazaars.

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