Clarification of rules (The Summer & Exp. 8 Castles) - with HiG - 14 04 2025

[Meepledrone]

I sent a few questions about The Summer tiles to HiG and we got the following clarifications.

Following Kettlefish's tradition...

Question in BLUE

Answer in GREEN

Still open in RED

My own comments in MAROON

Linkback: https://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=6842.0

[Meepledrone]

[Q1] Does the tile with the water trough have a regular farmhouse?

[A1] Yes.

[Meepledrone]

[Q2.1] Does the tile with the fountain have 2 city segments separated by a shared wall?

[A2.1] Yes, these are two separate cities.


[Q2.2] If the answer is yes, can we consider the city segment on the right a semicircular city segment and place an Exp. 8 castle token on it?

[A2.2] Yes, you can place a castle token there.
In the new Exp. 8, the rules will be more clear.
Every city which is finished with 2 segments can get a castle, no matter what exact shape it has.

Shocking sneak peek at rules changes into Exp. 8 in C3. The limitation affecting city shapes valid to build a castle is going away.

[Meepledrone]

[Q3.1] Does the tile with the lake have 2 city segments separated by a shared wall?

[A3.1] Yes.


[Q3.2] If the answer is yes, can we consider the top city segment a semicircular city segment and place an Exp. 8 castle token on it?

[A3.2] Yes, you can place a castle token there.
In the new Exp. 8, the rules will be more clear.
Every city which is finished with 2 segments can get a castle, no matter what exact shape it has.

Shocking sneak peek at rules changes into Exp. 8 in C3. The limitation affecting city shapes valid to build a castle is going away.

[Meepledrone]

[Q4] As a general rule based on Q2.2 and Q3.2, do all "semicircular" cities allow to place a castle token on them even if the city shape has some extensions and reaches the middle of the tile? I'm asking this because a clarification by Christof Tisch on BGG ruled out semicircular cities that would go beyond the area covered by the castle token (they would look like "ruins" from the city underneath):

https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/538079/1-question-about-castles



Please check the following tiles (see image above):
* The semicircular city in the C3 base game would go against this clarification and should not allow you to build a castle on it.
* The semicircular city segments on the tiles from Exp. 9 both in C1 and C2 would not allow you to build a castle on them (they reach the middle of the tile and would show "ruins" beyond the castle token).
The same problem would happen with the tiles in Q2 and Q3 above, if this clarification stands for some of the semicircular city segments. However, we know for sure that this clarification should still be applied to city caps with odd shapes, such us the witch hat:

https://wikicarpedia.com/car/Bridges,_Castles_and_Bazaars#cite_note-6

[A4] What Christof said there is not actual anymore.
Even in the base game are now tiles which would have problems with this "semicircular" rule.

Shocking sneak peek at rules changes into Exp. 8 in C3. The limitation affecting city shapes valid to build a castle is going away.

[Meepledrone]

[Q5] So, the city shown in this example can be converted into a castle and therefore the coats of arms will not be considered for the castle as usual (e.g. a mayor placed in the castle will not score points for it). Is this correct?

[A5] Yes, the city had coats of arms, not the castle.
So the mayor will not score points all in the castle as usual.

[Meepledrone]

Please check this example.



[Q6.1] The red mayor will score 0 points for the completed city occupied by Yellow, as usual. Is this correct?

[A6.1] Yes, the mayor scores 0 points.


[Q6.2] During the final scoring, how many points does the red farmer score?
a) 7 points (3 points for the completed city + 4 points for the castle, since the city overpass/bridge does extend the castle token)
b) 3 points for the city only (the city overpass/bridge does not extend the castle token)

[A6.2] The answer is a)


[Q6.3] During the final scoring, how many points does the blue farmer score?
a) 4 points for the castle, since the "old" city defines the castle borders (the castle therefore borders the top field)
b) 0 points for the castle, since the "old" city does not allow the castle to border the field.

[A6.3] The answer is a)

Castles in C1/C2 were restricted to the castle token. Castles in C3 seem to occupy the perimeter of the city underneath, assuming the "old" city walls. This is important for field scoring as seen in this example.

[uroboross88]

It would be better if they released a complete guide on how to combine the rules of all the expansions, instead of mocking the rules

[Meepledrone]

It would be an overwhelming work for HiG...

Many retired expansions, too many interactions to keep track of everything...

BTW, congrats on your first post @uroboross88 !!!

[uroboross88]

Thank you)

[uroboross88]

all official add-ons are released by one publisher, the game has been published for more than 20 years. this would indicate a serious attitude towards their product. i liked video games, and it would be strange if the add-ons to the video game were incompatible)

[Meepledrone]

A number of people have been behind the releases during these years. So some of them work better than others when combined.

We do our best on WICA to keep an integrated picture of the combined rules all these expansions. 

[Bumsakalaka]

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