Carcassonne Central: Advent Quiz MMXXIV

[Liambass]

Does Yellow have any meeple in their supply?

[Bumsakalaka]

Grinch wanted that we will learn fan expansions rules. This is reason of negative points?
Is then Grinch good or evil?

Does Yellow have any meeple in their supply?

Good question. But I suppose, that not.

[Liambass]

I re-read the question; it's irrelevant as no meeple are moved or placed.

[Bumsakalaka]

I re-read the question; it's irrelevant as no meeple are moved or placed.

Yes it is, but we know, that in some options will be possible to place a meeple with significant change of scoring.

[Bumsakalaka]

I was asking @Meepledrone for question with fan expansions. But I didn't expect this Fan Expansion Massacre

[Liambass]

I re-read the question; it's irrelevant as no meeple are moved or placed.

Yes it is, but we know, that in some options will be possible to place a meeple with significant change of scoring.

Sure, but the question specifies that that doesn't happen.

[Bumsakalaka]

I re-read the question; it's irrelevant as no meeple are moved or placed.

Yes it is, but we know, that in some options will be possible to place a meeple with significant change of scoring.

Sure, but the question specifies that that doesn't happen.

Aaa, there are Notes Good to know...

[Paloi Sciurala]

I was angry enough when I saw a question about fan expansions

So fan expansions - if you like them or not - are an integral part of this community.
So why should they not be part of the Advent Quizz?

• Fan expansions are not true Carcassonne. They might be part of the community, which is not a bad thing, but they are not part of Carcassonne. The same way fan fiction works are not canon for their corresponding literary works.
• Their rules are flaky. They can have multiple, unofficial versions. What happens with the quiz if overnight the author changes the rules? If HiG were to do it, we all would find out, and it is very easy to find out the latest version of the HiG rules (at least to me). But for fan expansions not necessarily if the author just changes a stray PDF. What happens if there are multiple authors that have their own version of the rules? Not providing a clear set of rules and having to dig for the rules (that unnamed expansion...) is weird and so un-WICA like. That would cease being a problem if their WICA pages would be complete, with the relevant inter-expansion interactions fully covered.

[Paloi Sciurala]

Grinch wanted that we will learn fan expansions rules. This is reason of negative points?
Is then Grinch good or evil?

It's not the Grinch, it's Chanchito. The official rules were too hard for him, so he had to resort to puzzles and fan expansions.

[Paloi Sciurala]

- the meeple council does not make questions in the correct order anymore,

- participants even get to ask Advent Quizz questions and

@Challa007: I do not understand what do you mean here. The order of questions is correct, all of the questions having been posted on the same day (CET time) as their corresponding number. And what users save Meepledrone have ever posted Advent Quizz questions? I am confused.  

[Bumsakalaka]

The official rules were too hard for him...

[Bumsakalaka]

I was angry enough when I saw a question about fan expansions

So fan expansions - if you like them or not - are an integral part of this community.
So why should they not be part of the Advent Quizz?

• Fan expansions are not true Carcassonne. They might be part of the community, which is not a bad thing, but they are not part of Carcassonne. The same way fan fiction works are not canon for their corresponding literary works.
• Their rules are flaky. They can have multiple, unofficial versions. What happens with the quiz if overnight the author changes the rules? If HiG were to do it, we all would find out, and it is very easy to find out the latest version of the HiG rules (at least to me). But for fan expansions not necessarily if the author just changes a stray PDF. What happens if there are multiple authors that have their own version of the rules? Not providing a clear set of rules and having to dig for the rules (that unnamed expansion...) is weird and so un-WICA like. That would cease being a problem if their WICA pages would be complete, with the relevant inter-expansion interactions fully covered.

All expansions except one is fully covered by WICA. I'm the one which started with standardization of rules of fan expansions. Ask @oldbonz or @Leven or @MMike how many questions they got to cover interactions which were not told in original rules. At least author of them provided rules for most common large expansions, and not use HiG prime direction - expansions is for base game, all other rules will not be provided.

But understand that when checking original rules of fan expansions which have not the same style, can be confusing when not playing those expansions. But it's similar to official expansions, I also have a lot of them, which I played maybe 2-3 times (Peasant Revolt as very known example). So need to check rules

Anyway I don't agree with comparison between fan-fiction and fan-expansions. At least I have a lot of them, and they change rules always less then official expansions. They usually follow standards of scoring and rules, and if not, we are trying to standardized them on WiCa. Because we are playing with them. And HiG understand that, and that is reason why we have a lot of fan-expansions which are semi-official.

[Paloi Sciurala]

No, I am still very sure that WICA does not clarify all that must be clarified in order to be able to provide a safe answer to Question #20, and that without considering the unnamed expansion. I say this after having read the WICA pages.

A fan expansion is not official by definition. It thus cannot be semi-official.

[dirk2112]

I doubt I did well on that last question, but it was fun seeing some of these expansions I haven't looked at before.   If I could print my own tiles, I think the one with the alternative coat of arms is the most interesting. 

[Meepledrone]

- Snowman: I remember this conversation perfectly...

- The Grinch: Careful what you wish for...
- The Grinch: Shall I accept the challenge?
- Santa Claus: You will not!
- The Grinch: But I want!
- Santa Claus: Nope!
- The Grinch: I'm bored!!!
....

- Snowman: If you challenge him, anything can happen.
- Snowman: Did he take you out of your comfort zone?
- Snowman: That's why I always have a freezer with me all the time...
- Snowman: So much summer cannot be good for anyone!
- Snowman: I have to keep my cool!
- Snowman: I have to stand my frozen ground!!!
- Snowman: I MUST...
- The Grinch: (interrupting) You MUST stop that pitiful speech and ask your question!
- Snowman:
- The Grinch: Go! go! go!
- The Grinch: 

...

- The Grinch: By the way, the official rules of Carcassonne are not written in stone...
- The Grinch: Field scoring was redefined early in the game...
- Snowman: ...and for scoring small cities too...
- The Grinch: (a bit annoyed) And the builder and the pig were originally meeples...
- The Grinch: And the princess was forced to remov any large meeple in a city first...
- Snowman: And the large bridges across the river separated fields...
- The Grinch: (slightly annoyed) And the wagon movement changed after C1...
- The Grinch: And scoring Halflings and German castles has changed...
- Snowman: And the length of long roads on Leipzig tiles has changed from C2 to C3...
- The Grinch: (a bit angry) And the rules for scoring shepherds missed some edge cases...
- The Grinch: And the rules for scoring the Alhambra wonder have changed from Set I to Set II.
- Snowman: And the rules for the last rounds with tiles from your supply have changed in each edition 
- The Grinch: (totally beside him) WELL!!! Did I make myself perfectly clear? 
- The Grinch: Get that question cracking or I will call the dragon to finish you off!!!
- Snowman:  OK, ok...!
- The Grinch: No smalltalk!... NO SMALTALK!!!
- The Grinch: Unless you are asked directly about my sumpreme intelect and grinchy values...!
- Snowman:
- The Grinch: So not everything coming from HiG is fully developed ahead...
- The Grinch: Or Fan Expansions are despicable... Especially if they spread chaos and evil fun!

...

- The Grinch: BTW, did I tell you WICA was updated to clarify an interaction affecting Question #20?
- Snowman: Any details?
- The Grinch: Shut up and do your frozen thing! Right NOW!
- Snowman:


Question #21: The Snowman places this tile on Blue's behalf. The player wants to place a normal meeple on the tile as indicated. Additionally, the player has the following questions:
a) How many ghosts will be added to the blue meeples as soon as the tile is placed? (1 point)
b) The placement of the spell circle tile requires Blue to move ghosts to it. What ghosts can be moved so no opponent's meeples decrease their number of ghosts?  (1 point)

c.1) How many ghosts will Blue have to move to opponent's meeples for extending the mist with this tile placement? (1 point)
c.2) Where will the ghosts come from? (1 point)
c.3) How many ghosts will have each opponent's meeple if the player distributes them evenly? (1 point)
c.4) Will any meeple be removed from the board at this point? (1 point)

d.1) How many ghosts will Blue have to move to their own meeples for limiting the mist with this tile placement? (1 point)
d.2) Where will the ghosts come from? (1 point)
d.3) How many ghosts will have each of Blue's meeples if the player distributes them evenly? (1 point)
d.4) Will any meeple be removed from the board at this point? (1 point)

e) How many ghosts will remain on spell circles? (1 point)
f.1) How many points will score each player this turn? (1 point)
f.2) Does any additional action take place during the scoring? (1 point)

Notes:
* This is a mid-game scenario. The game goes on for a few more turns.
* The figures on the right represent the general supply of guard meeples and ghosts.