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Carc Central Community => Online Games and Competitions => JCloisterZone FAQ, Suggestions & Bug Reports => Topic started by: rfielder on June 09, 2014, 07:13:45 AM

Title: Carcassonne as a Spectator Sport
Post by: rfielder on June 09, 2014, 07:13:45 AM
I have been experimenting a bit with JCloisterZone, and found that you can view the game even if you are not playing!

If you connect to whomever is hosting the game, but do not select a player, you will be able to watch the game as it happens.

Once the game starts, it seems that the only thing you can effect is your local application.  You can close your link to the game, but this does not effect the game or anyone else viewing the game.  Once you have closed the link to the game, you can not reconnect.

The only interaction you can have with the game is with the chat function.  I have not tested this.  My preference is that the chat would be enabled only for game players, not spectators, but I don't know if that is how the application works.

This opens a couple of possibilities.  For one, we can treat this League games as spectator sports, and watch the game unfold.

For another, if anyone has the software to record the game, they can link in and create the recording without disturbing the game.
Title: Re: Carcassonne as a Spectator Sport
Post by: Paul on June 09, 2014, 10:53:50 AM
 :(y)

Now I am more motivated to actually open up that port so I can join in.

 :meeple:
Title: Re: Carcassonne as a Spectator Sport
Post by: MrNumbers on June 09, 2014, 11:04:00 AM
Imagine: the final game in the League is viewed by many-many people, like it is ice hockey world cup final between Russia and Canada :D
Title: Re: Carcassonne as a Spectator Sport
Post by: rfielder on June 09, 2014, 11:52:27 AM
Imagine: the final game in the League is viewed by many-many people, like it is ice hockey world cup final between Russia and Canada :D
Who will handle the negotiations with the local TV networks?

Who will we get to do the colour commentary?

Does this mean we need to put a time limit on placing tiles and meeples?  Otherwise, some games might be as lively as watching paint dry......
Title: Re: Carcassonne as a Spectator Sport
Post by: rfielder on June 09, 2014, 11:55:57 AM
Now I am more motivated to actually open up that port so I can join in.
You don't need to open a port to join, either to watch or play.  Opening a port is only required when you are hosting the game.
Title: Re: Carcassonne as a Spectator Sport
Post by: jungleboy on June 09, 2014, 12:07:25 PM
Who will we get to do the colour commentary?

I'm sure Wil Wheaten will put his hand up.
Title: Re: Carcassonne as a Spectator Sport
Post by: danisthirty on June 09, 2014, 02:17:28 PM
I've been toying with the idea of suggesting some sort of Carcassonne Central World Cup which would be in the style of a knock-out competition with a final, semi-finals, quarter-finals and hopefully a round before the quarters if we could find 16 people interested enough to play. I'd definitely want to watch the final of that!

With regards the chat function, I don't think it works if you're not playing. When I've hosted games that I haven't taken part in I haven't been able to type anything anyway.

Also, recording is relatively straight forward. I've recorded all of my games so far although I haven't done much with any of the recordings. I use something called simply "Screen Recorder" which I kick off before the first game and then just leave it running until I've finished playing.
Title: Re: Carcassonne as a Spectator Sport
Post by: Jéré on June 09, 2014, 03:31:03 PM
Carcassonne World Cup is a good idea. I want to play!
Title: Re: Carcassonne as a Spectator Sport
Post by: Carcking on June 09, 2014, 04:21:11 PM
heh, I'm just in it for the Nike endorsement deal  O0

(I've been looking for a cool opportunity to use the sunglasses afro dude  :(y) )
Title: Re: Carcassonne as a Spectator Sport
Post by: evmillan on June 10, 2014, 05:30:07 AM
I would like to play The CarcC World Cup, but I think that it need some group round anf then KO quarters, semis and final
Title: Re: Carcassonne as a Spectator Sport
Post by: danisthirty on June 10, 2014, 05:52:42 AM
OK so I've put some thoughts down about the Carcassonne World Cup and have started a separate thread so as not to distract from Rob's post.

If you're interested, please let me know along with any ideas/ thoughts/ suggestions you may have as to how it should be run on the following thread:

http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=829
Title: Re: Carcassonne as a Spectator Sport
Post by: rfielder on June 10, 2014, 06:54:40 AM
Also, recording is relatively straight forward. I've recorded all of my games so far although I haven't done much with any of the recordings. I use something called simply "Screen Recorder" which I kick off before the first game and then just leave it running until I've finished playing.
Does this record the entire screen, or only the JCloisterZone window?
Title: Re: Carcassonne as a Spectator Sport
Post by: danisthirty on June 10, 2014, 06:58:03 AM
The whole screen. So it's not ideal but if JCloisterZone is the only thing running then it doesn't make much of a difference.
Title: Re: Carcassonne as a Spectator Sport
Post by: rfielder on June 10, 2014, 07:03:15 AM
The whole screen. So it's not ideal but if JCloisterZone is the only thing running then it doesn't make much of a difference.
I expect that most of us run JCZ full screen - and wish for larger screens!   :)

My HTPC is attached to a 40" Samsung TV, and has JCZ installed.  Next round of games, I am going to use that when possible.  Having a good overview of the game while still seeing details may be a bit of a competitive advantage...or at least make it quicker to see all options and allow quicker decisions.
Title: Re: Carcassonne as a Spectator Sport
Post by: Paul on June 10, 2014, 07:46:47 AM
As for audio networking, there are several free programs out there. Mumble, Ventrilo and a third which I forgot the name of. Used these three when I used to do raids in online gaming.

Video, hmm. Youtube offers live-stream last time I checked. If that works there's a whole world out there that can tune in!

 :meeple:
Title: Re: Carcassonne as a Spectator Sport
Post by: rfielder on June 10, 2014, 07:57:52 AM
Video, hmm. Youtube offers live-stream last time I checked. If that works there's a whole world out there that can tune in!
Does Carcassonne Central have a Facebook presence? 

If so, upcoming games could be announced, and streamed for anyone to view.
Title: Re: Carcassonne as a Spectator Sport
Post by: danisthirty on June 10, 2014, 09:18:24 AM
I use a knackered laptop with a 17-inch screen and no "u" key. The battery doesn't work anymore and the power supply is so dodgy that if you breathe too close to it the laptop turns itself off.

Yep, Carcassonne Central is fairly well represented on Facebook. Scott (or whoever looks after the Facebook page) does an excellent job of finding interesting Carcassonne-related things to post about quite regularly so I'm sure he wouldn't have a problem linking to live-streamed Carcassonne matches if he thought they would be of interest.
Title: Re: Carcassonne as a Spectator Sport
Post by: Scott on June 21, 2014, 06:46:23 AM
Yes, I may be terrible at visiting the forums regularly, but I post on the Facebook page almost every day (excepting days where there is nothing to post about).

I would be happy to link to a live match, but I'm not sure that I will know about the live match fast enough since I have trouble finding time to visit the forums. I check my e-mail several times per day, so maybe somebody needs to e-mail me a link and when the game will take place?
Title: Re: Carcassonne as a Spectator Sport
Post by: rfielder on June 21, 2014, 06:56:05 AM
I would be happy to link to a live match, but I'm not sure that I will know about the live match fast enough since I have trouble finding time to visit the forums. I check my e-mail several times per day, so maybe somebody needs to e-mail me a link and when the game will take place?
The game starts at 10:00AM EST.

IP to view:
99.227.169.186
Port: 37447
Title: Re: Carcassonne as a Spectator Sport
Post by: Scott on June 21, 2014, 07:22:20 AM
I've posted an invitation, but the game might be over by the time people see it. :(
Title: Re: Carcassonne as a Spectator Sport
Post by: Paul on June 21, 2014, 07:26:22 AM
I've posted an invitation, but the game might be over by the time people see it. :(

Was thinking of trying to get in and suddenly can't find my JCloisterZone folder!  :o Hope I make it.

EDIT: Found it.
Title: Re: Carcassonne as a Spectator Sport
Post by: Scott on June 21, 2014, 07:39:04 AM
I downloaded the software and tried to connect, but it doesn't get past the "Connecting..." message.
Title: Re: Carcassonne as a Spectator Sport
Post by: Paul on June 21, 2014, 08:36:50 AM
I downloaded the software and tried to connect, but it doesn't get past the "Connecting..." message.

Same for me, but for me it was about an hour ago. Wasn't sure about the timezone thing. I am on Stockholm-Berlin writing this post it's 17:35.
  I'll try next game again to connect!
Title: Re: Carcassonne as a Spectator Sport
Post by: rfielder on June 21, 2014, 06:06:11 PM
If you don't connect while the game is in the "New Game" phase, you can not connect.  One the game is started, connections are ignored.

However - this is twice I have had the game hang while others were connected. No idea if this is a function of my setup, or related to having spectators link in.

Until this is resolved, I suggest that nobody except the two players and whomever is hosting the game should connect.

In the meantime, I would like to set up a game between two players, with several others linked in.  The goal is to determine if the issue is with my setup, or the fact that there are others watching.  To make this a valid test, someone else needs to host that game.  Anyone willing to assist in this experimen as a host?

Title: Re: Carcassonne as a Spectator Sport
Post by: Paul on June 21, 2014, 11:07:53 PM
I opened up an online chat which will be up 24-7. Unfortunately it lacks username registration.

http://sydby.com/carcassonne/cc-league.htm (http://sydby.com/carcassonne/cc-league.htm)

This could work as a temp-solution and does not take up much space. I can even make the chat window smaller or you can simply resize the browser window.

 :meeple:
Title: Re: Carcassonne as a Spectator Sport
Post by: MrNumbers on June 22, 2014, 07:44:10 AM
Anyone willing to assist in this experimen as a host?

I can help with the hosting ;)