Author Topic: WikiCarpedia: Official Updates (Read 38883 times)

Meepledrone · « **Reply #15 on:** January 01, 2020, 05:57:43 AM »

Hi all,

I have referenced all the questions of the Advent Calendar Quiz 2019 from the WICA Quizzes page, so you can directly access any question by number or expansions included. They are grouped in their own section for easier access.

http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Quizzes#Advent_Calendar_Quiz_2019

Feel free to test yourself or your friends

Cheers!

Meepledrone · « **Reply #16 on:** January 01, 2020, 09:17:33 AM »

Hi all,

I just came across this post by Kettlefish:

http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=3384.msg58360#msg58360

So after reading...

Quote from: kettlefish on May 10, 2018, 07:38:33 AM

In the BigBox6 we remembered HiG to put the Abbot into the first row, but forgot to put the Abbot also in the second row (with the flying machines). The Abbot can only land onto a monastery/cloister and onto a garden (CAR footnote 385, from 03/2015).

...I just updated the WICA Abbot page to reflect this comment. So no open issue anymore about why the abbot could not be a flier as per the Order of Play in Big Box 6.

http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Abbot

Hallelujah!!!

PS: I was wondering why this last week a third of the WICA visitors consulted the Abbot page... Is it that exciting? Are the rules such a crap? If anyone has a clue, please let us know.

totor66 · « **Reply #17 on:** January 16, 2020, 05:42:15 AM »

Hello dear development team:

I was wondering if there was a tile reference section available on the website ? I have a feeling I saw one once but I can't seem to find it back.

For CI or CII, I think it would help, it was available on the CAR to maybe make it easier to implement.

Bonus point:

Also a stupid question I was wondering: If we play with expansion dragons and expansion hills and sheep, what if dragon lands on a tile with a sheep painted like on River III for example ? If there is action gather flock, should we score point for the sheep ? That would seem counterintuitive since it should be eaten, but poor sheep is just painted on tile. I don't think it was ever discussed.

wolnic · « **Reply #18 on:** January 16, 2020, 06:22:03 AM »

Hi totor66,

It is something that I started working on, but it is a little clumsy at the moment, and hasn't been updated for about a year.

meepledrone and I were discussing how we should develop it further, mainly in terms of whether it was possible/sensible to code it so that you could select individual sets of features from across some, or all, of the different expansions - such as "show me all tiles with cloisters, or trade tokens" - rather than just by individual expansions. This is something we know we have to get back to.

Meepledrone · « **Reply #19 on:** January 17, 2020, 09:56:04 AM »

My internal discussion regarding goes like this:

The current Expansion Selector falls short as we need:

1. The base game should be an additional option
2. Each expansion should allow you to select its tiles in full or by groups (normally associated to a primary feature). For example:
* I&C (18):
a) Inns (6)
b) Cathedrals (2)
c) Rest (10)
* T&B (24):
a) Trade Goods (20)
b) Rest (4)
...
* H&S (18)
a) Hills (8 )
b) Vineyards (8 )
c) Rest (2)
3. It is also necessary a second level of filtering related to secondary features available in many tiles: pennants/coat of arms, monasteries, C1 farmhouses, C2 gardens, C2 highwaymen, C2 sheds (various types), C2 farmhouses, C2 water towers,...
4. There are primary features that work as secondary (tie-in) features in some other expansions: pig-herds/pigsties, volcanoes, inns,...

So I have to make up my mind about how the selector has to be organized to avoid redundancies and also if it should be compatible (and add-on) or a separate one of the existing one...

Any comments are welcome...

Meepledrone · « **Reply #20 on:** January 25, 2020, 04:02:37 PM »

Quote from: Meepledrone on December 13, 2019, 06:01:31 PM

Hi all,

WikiCarpedia (WICA) was updated to include the most recent additions to Carcassonne from Essen 2019:

* The Spiel 19 tile (along with the previous Spiel tiles)

http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Spiel_Promos

* The Tollkeepers:

http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Tollkeepers

* The new Carcassonne Maps rules and all the Map-Chips rules

http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Carcassonne_Maps

Notes:

For the time being, both the German and English rules in PDF format available on Cundco.de contain several mistakes: mistranslations and mismatches between both languages, missing rules in English, errors in images in both versions,... A total delight!

The corresponding WICA pages provide a reviewed version of the text and corrects those images with errors, The text was reviewed in order to provide an align set of rules using the German version as a guideline, when possible, in case of mismatch.

I also sent HiG a 7-page document with comments covering the mistakes I found and a few clarification questions. As soon as they reply and/or provide updated rules on Cundco, I will update the Carcassonne Maps and Map-Chips pages accordingly.

Cheers!

Hi all,

I had three interactions already with HiG and I just reported two final typos and some comments on the Selling Wine action for Carcassonne Maps - France.

You may have noticed that the Carcassonne Maps rules on Cundco.de were updated several times as a result of this process on Jan 14th 2020, Jan 23rd 2020 and Jan 24th 2020. Hope the final version is released this week.

The process has covered typos, wording issues and several major issues such as:
* Inconsistencies between the German and the English rules:
- Same actions assigned to different phases
- Discrepancies in the scoring rules
- Missing sentences and paragraphs in the English rules
* Error in some example images

As a result:
* Some clarifications only present in the German rules have been also included in the English rules.
* The paragraph describing Large Cities has been restored.
* The Map-Chip placement rules have been revised (France, Benelux, Iberian Peninsula and Germany).
* The action to sell wine has been placed in the same phase in both languages (France).
* The action to get meeples back from the Isle of Man has been corrected (British Isles).
* The scoring of treats collected has been reviewed and aligned (Iberian Peninsula).
* The meeple upgrade action has been placed in the same phase in both languages (Germany).
* The updated rules use "coat of arms" instead of "emblem," so the English rules by HiG are closer to ZMG.
* The ambiguous use of "town" to refer to small town and city segments on the border is removed.

You'll find all these updates already in WICA.

http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Carcassonne_Maps

Cheers!

Meepledrone · « **Reply #21 on:** January 26, 2020, 12:32:16 AM »

Hi all,

I just moved this topic to the "Official Rules" board and made it sticky so it appears at the top section.

I also created another sticky topic called "WikiCarpedia: request corrections or submit suggestions here" so you can find a centralized place for your suggestions and requests for WICA. Your feedback and comments are also welcome. Here is the link just in case:

http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=4489.0

Thank you wolnic for suggesting this after a conversation with cicerunner and thank you everyone for helping us improve WICA.

Cheers!

Meepledrone · « **Reply #22 on:** January 26, 2020, 04:57:05 AM »

The Ferries for C2 has been updated to clarify the rules involving the placement and repositioning of ferries. The ZMG rules are confusing at times so the version incorporates some additional information found in the German BB6 rules.

http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Ferries

An additional footnote in C1 has been added:

http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Ferries_(1st_edition)#cite_note-2

Meepledrone · « **Reply #23 on:** February 15, 2020, 08:56:06 AM »

Hi all,

The Toolkeepers page has been updated to correct some issues with the scoring examples I notified HiG on January 9th 2020 (more detailed here).

http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Tollkeepers

Cheers!

Meepledrone · « **Reply #24 on:** February 15, 2020, 09:37:00 AM »

Hi again,

I just added page "Selected Rules Variants" in the "Others" section on the WICA home page:

http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Selected_Rules_Variants

The source material came from the CAR v7.4.

Cheers!

Meepledrone · « **Reply #25 on:** February 29, 2020, 12:43:40 AM »

Hello people!!!

I've recently revisited the following topics:
1. The scoring events that may happen during the placement of the River
2. The dragon movement
3. The rounds of scoring for Mini #2 - The Messages.

As a result I have updated a few parts of WICA covering these topics:

1. Scoring events while placing the river

During the river placement, some expansions may allow you to score points. So far I had considered the fair 1-point bonus, but you can also receive points from:
* Performing a "Guide flock the stable " action: you place a shepherd and you score the flock on a later turn after extending a field by the river
* Scoring an abbot placed on a monastery or garden by the river.

This update affected the C1/C2/WE Game Reference page:
* C1: http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Game_Reference_(1st_edition)
* C2: http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Game_Reference
* WE: http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Game_Reference

2. The dragon movement

I revisited the dragon movement for C2 and find out the English rules were misinterpreted, so the official rules by HiG did not change between C1 and C2. The dragon moves after 2. Placing a Meeple. As a result, I updated, and improved in some cases, the pages affected.

* C2 The Princess & the Dragon: Reworked the section dealing wth the volcano and the dragon tiles. Rearranged the info there and added the missing phases to make clear the turn sequence. Also improved the tables with the dragon's menu and the dragon's diet to group entries by type: meeples, special figures, neutral figures, tiles & tokens.
* Summary of Rule Sets and Changes: Updated the dragon movement entry and added clarifications on the misinterpretation of the rules.
* C1/C2/WE Order of Play: Created separate boxes to cover the dragon movement, corrected the logic to remove the dragon movement after 1. Placing a Tile for C2 originated from the aforementioned misinterpretation.

See the pages here:
* C2 The Princess and the Dragon: http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Princess_and_The_Dragon
* Summary of Rule Sets and Changes: http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Summary_of_Rule_Sets_%26_Changes
* C1/C2/WE Order of Play:
- C1: http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Order_of_Play_(1st_edition)
- C2: http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Order_of_Play
- WE: http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Order_of_Play

3. The rounds of scoring for Mini #2 - The Messages

After revisiting the clarifications about Mini #2 - Messages from 05/2014 and 10/2014, the exchange with HiG confirmed that messages where received at the end of each round of scoring, after all the scoring events have processed. So scoring figures landed on dark spaces were only taken into consideration at that moment (after all scoring was completed for that round of scoring). This tiny bit of information caused some ripples that affected how messages were triggered.

The following pages have been updated:
* Mini #2 - The Messages:
- Updated section "Rounds of Scoring" for C1 and C2 to include all the new scoring events introduced by new expansions since 05/2015
- Updated section "Rounds of Scoring" for C2 to include all the information related to rounds of scoring avoiding unnecessary footnotes.
- Updated footnotes for C1 to provide additional information about the rounds of scoring.
* Order of Play
- Reviewed anything related to the MESSAGES action: updated the wording and the placement in phases 2. Placing a Meeple and 3. Scoring a Feature.
- Additionally, took the opportunity to review the entry for Watchtowers (wording) and Tollkeepers (wording and action sequence).
- Tollhouse token scoring groups of travellers are turned over once the scoring is done in phase 3. Scoring a Feature

See the pages here:
* C1/C2 Mini #2 - The Messages:
- C1: http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Messages_(1st_edition)
- C2: http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Messages
* C1/C2/WE Order of Play:
- C1: http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Order_of_Play_(1st_edition)
- C2: http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Order_of_Play
- WE: http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Order_of_Play

If you have any questions or comments, just let m know.

Cheers!

Meepledrone · « **Reply #26 on:** March 22, 2020, 08:10:59 AM »

Dear all,

As a result of the ongoing questions by Carcassonne93, a number of clarifications and improvements were incorporated to WICA:

Major expansions

* Exp. 3 - The Princess & the Dragon:
- Review of dragon movement
- Review and inclusion of additional info about and dragon's menu/diet
- Review of interactions with The Tower and The School.
* Exp. 4 - The Tower:
- Note on meeples on top of a tower
* Exp. 6 - Count, King & Robber:
- The Count of Carcassonne:
- Addition of missing restrictions in ZMG rules
- The River II for C2:
- Renaming of "pigsty" (as in ZMG rules) to "pig-herd" as in C1 to avoid confusion with C2 pigsties in relation to Markets of Leipzig and Tollkeepers scoring.
- The cult places/shrines
- Added notes about actions triggering and stopping challenges
* Exp. 8 - Castles, Bridges & Bazaars:
- Addition of clarification for tiles allowed in a small city to become a castle
- Addition of clarifications about when castle scoring may take place
* Exp. 9 - Hills & Sheep
- Addition of clarification about shepherds on inner fields
* Wheel of Fortune:
- Added clarification about heretics and the Famine sector

Minor expansions

* Mini #2 - The Messages:
- Regrouping of info related to Rounds of Scoring
* Mini #4 - The Goldmines:
- Addition of clarification for gold distribution and unclaimed features
- Minor review of gold distribution when multiple features are involved
* The Watchtowers:
- Addition of clarification about castles
- Addition of clarification about monastic buildings
* The Markets of Leipzig:
- Addition of clarification about monastic buildings
* The Abbot:
- Addition of clarification about the abbot placed as an abbot (not as a monk)
* The Phantom:
- Extension of clarification about interaction with Exp. 10 - Under the Big Top.

Reference pages

* Game Reference:
- Treatment change for FFFF tile in GQ#11 so it is not a pig-herd tile (this is an official ruling; the use as pig-herd is a house rule)
- Addition of redeployment of meeples in City of Carcassonne to other features in addition to fields for C1 (C2 only allows fields) at the end of the game.
- Addition of missing tokens in list
* Order of Play:
- Review of wording for Messages and rounds of scoring
- Addition of individual steps for Dragon Movement and corrected misinterpretation of ZMG rules for C2 (Phases 2b and 3b)
- Addition of more detailed info about features and bonus scoring (Step 3B)
- Relocation of fairy bonus to correct placement (Step 3B)
- Relocation of gold distribution to correct placement (Step 3B --> Step 3D)
* Scoring During the Game:
- Review of scoring of the Big Top
- Addition of ferry lakes to road scoring
- Removal of icon of castle score trigger in fields with barns
- Clarification of scoring for Famine sector of the Wheel of Fortune
- Renaming of pigsty of River II to pig-herd for the sake of clarity
* Scoring After the Game:
- Review of scoring of the Big Top
- Addition of ferry lakes to road scoring
- Renaming of pigty of River II to pig-herd for the sake of clarity

Additionally, some corrections were made thanks to comments left by visitors to WICA. I would like to thank personally for their help and their support.

* Exp. 4 - The tower:
- Inclusion of Toolkeeper tokens in the capturing exclusion list
* Mini #5 - Mage & Witch:
- Correction of error in CAR footnote about moving mage or witch.
* Order of Play:
- Review of Step 1B (Draw a Tile) involving dragon tiles alternatives to drawn tiles
- Correction of the crop circles action to stick to ruling by HiG in C2 (not to ZMG anymore)
* Game Figures:
- Correction of interaction between abbot meeples and crop circles
- Correction of interaction between ringmaster and the City of Carcassonne
- Update of interactions of the dragon with the teacher

Murphy013 · « **Reply #27 on:** March 22, 2020, 11:48:34 PM »

A whole bunch of clarifications which can be implemented.
Thanks to Carcassonne93 for raising up all this points. +1 merit
Thanks to Meepledrone et. al who answered all this questions and implementing this to WiCa. +1 merit

Stay health! Or recover well!

Meepledrone · « **Reply #28 on:** March 23, 2020, 02:05:37 AM »

Thank you so much, Murphy013!

On my part, this is just taking care of our child.

Meepledrone · « **Reply #29 on:** April 09, 2020, 01:30:24 PM »

Hi all!

We have new updates in WICA including the addition of the rules for C2 Halflings

Some of them as a result of latest questions or comments by Carcassonne93:

Major expansions

* Exp. 10 - Under the Big Top:
- C2: Review of fairy bonus for acrobats

Minor expansions

* The Festival:
- C2: Correction of mistake in footnote using meeple instead of figure.

Reference pages

* Game Reference:
- Rearrangement of actions when preparing to score including the removal of actions Messages and Robbers.

* Scoring During the Game:
- C1/C2/WE: Revision of the scoring of the fairy with acrobats

* Scoring During the Game:
- C1/C2/WE: Removal of the action Robbers for the last big top scoring

Some of them due to comments posted directed on WICA:

Major expansions

* Exp. 6 - Count, King & Robber:
- C2: Extension of interactions related to scoring due to barn and sending meeples to the city of Carcassonne

Minor expansions

* Mini #2 - The Messages:
- C1/C2: Addition of comment to section Rounds of Scoring about actions happeing one in double turn, including ransoming

* Castles in Germany:
- C2: Correction of typo in example
- C2: Updated monastery scoring example to match the tules for C2 Halflings

* Monasteries in Germany:
- C2: Correction of typo in links to HiG in section General info and Comments

* The Tollkeepers:
- C2: Addition of clarification related to the placement of tollhouse tokens

Some other due to the addition of the rules of C2 Halflings, additional revisions and/or other discussions on the forum:

Major expansions

* Exp. 3 - The Princess & the Dragon:
- C1/C2: Addition of interaction of fairy and abbot removal
- C1/C2: Update of interaction of fairy and acrobats
- C2: Corrections of reference to C2 terms
- C2: Added King and Robber baron markers to Dragon's diet plan

* Exp. 4 - The Tower:
- C2: Addition of the King and Robber Baron markers to the list with figures and tokens not captured by towers

* Exp. 10 - Under the Big Top
- C2: Addition of interaction of fairy and abbot removal

Minor expansions

* The Phantom:
- C1: Creation of section with interactions included as footnotes

* The Markets of Leipzig
- C2: Added clarifications about Tanners quarter bonus and barns
- C2: Rearrangement of footnotes

* Halflings:
- C2: Creation of new page including applicable clarifications from 10/2015 and new clarifications.

Reference pages

* Game Reference:
- Update of halflings in section Preparation
- Addition of shepherds to final scoring
- Minor changes to highlighting logic for some sentences

* Scoring During the Game:
- C1/C2/WE: Update of wording for field scoring
- C1/C2/WE: Added scoring for C2 Halflings while C1 Halflings sticks to the clarifications from 10/2015

* Scoring After the Game:
- C1/C2/WE: Update of fairy bonus for acrobat pyramids
- C1/C2/WE: Update of wording for field and barn scoring
- C1/C2/WE: Added scoring for C2 Halflings while C1 Halflings sticks to the clarifications from 10/2015

* Game Figures:
- C1/C2/WE: Update of fairy bonus for acrobat pyramids

* Timeline
- Update to include Halflings for C2
- Uptate to move Castles in Germany to 2015