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Bumsakalaka:
What happens where play Barber-Surgeon and Wagon and only wagon scores.


By me, Trap is stronger than wagon move phase, so Wagon is trapped in empty Bathhouse.


But who knows? Is there any meeple trapped when scored? I suppose just Solovei Razboynik situations described on last clarification.

Thanks. You will not regret :D

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Bumsakalaka:
2nd question:

What happens when play Barber-Surgeons and Count of Carcassonne and scored only one opponent's meeple. Is that meeple trapped and send to empty bathhouse or sent to City of Carcassonne?

Meepledrone:

--- Quote from: Bumsakalaka on January 17, 2022, 01:45:17 AM ---What happens where play Barber-Surgeon and Wagon and only wagon scores.

By me, Trap is stronger than wagon move phase, so Wagon is trapped in empty Bathhouse.

But who knows? Is there any meeple trapped when scored? I suppose just Solovei Razboynik situations described on last clarification.

Thanks. You will not regret :D

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1) If a wagon is alone in a feature and scores, it will go to an empty bathhouse, if available. If you cannot remove it, you should be able to move it. Trapping should be more powerful that moving in this case.


--- Quote from: Bumsakalaka on January 17, 2022, 01:51:52 AM ---2nd question:

What happens when play Barber-Surgeons and Count of Carcassonne and scored only one opponent's meeple. Is that meeple trapped and send to empty bathhouse or sent to City of Carcassonne?

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2) If an opponent scores thanks to your tile placement, if the scoring involved only one of their meeples, that meeple should go to an emply bathhouse, if any available. Besides, you will be allowed to send a meeple to Carcassonne...

The actions are not incompatible but they affect different players. Either you score (an send a meeple to a batthouse as a side effect) or you do not score and send a meeple to Carcassonne.

Bumsakalaka:

--- Quote from: Meepledrone on January 17, 2022, 05:11:37 AM ---2) If an opponent scores thanks to your tile placement, if the scoring involved only one of their meeples, that meeple should go to an emply bathhouse, if any available. Besides, you will be allowed to send a meeple to Carcassone...

The actions are not incompatible but they affect different players. Either you score (an send a meeple to a bathhouse as a side effect) or you do not score and send a meeple to Carcassonne.

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Ok. So it's important that also feature can be finished with only one meeple, but if player decide to move it to City of Carcassonne, then it is not affected by Barber-Surgeon trap, because meeple is not scoring. So then Bathhouses "to trap or not to trap" is considered after moving meeples to City of Carcassonne. Right? Which means, that correct order of score feature - decide of conversion small city to castle - move wagon - move meeples to CoC or Leiping - Trap only one scoring meeple.
Are move wagon and move meeples to CoC/Leipzig in correct order?

Meepledrone:

--- Quote from: Bumsakalaka on January 17, 2022, 12:52:37 PM ---
--- Quote from: Meepledrone on January 17, 2022, 05:11:37 AM ---2) If an opponent scores thanks to your tile placement, if the scoring involved only one of their meeples, that meeple should go to an emply bathhouse, if any available. Besides, you will be allowed to send a meeple to Carcassone...

The actions are not incompatible but they affect different players. Either you score (an send a meeple to a bathhouse as a side effect) or you do not score and send a meeple to Carcassonne.

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Ok. So it's important that also feature can be finished with only one meeple, but if player decide to move it to City of Carcassonne, then it is not affected by Barber-Surgeon trap, because meeple is not scoring.

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Correct.


--- Quote from: Bumsakalaka on January 17, 2022, 12:52:37 PM --- So then Bathhouses "to trap or not to trap" is considered after moving meeples to City of Carcassonne. Right?

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Bathhouses "to trap or not to trap" decision is made per scoring... remember the active player has the last word deciding the order of scoring so the first player(s) scoring features with one meeple may occupy any empty bathhouses left.

Sending a meeple to Carcassonne will be decided after the scoring is completed, because the active player may not receive any points during the whole scoring to be able to send a one meeple.


--- Quote from: Bumsakalaka on January 17, 2022, 12:52:37 PM ---Which means, that correct order of score feature - decide of conversion small city to castle - move wagon - move meeples to CoC or Leiping - Trap only one scoring meeple.
Are move wagon and move meeples to CoC/Leipzig in correct order?

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If you split the loop in the turn sequence into 3, you get the following:
- Loop 0: Build castles
  - Small cities --> castles (They do not participate in the scoring)
- Loop 1: Evaluate features
  - Deploy meeples from Carcassonne to features
  - Evaluate features + bonuses (conditioned by majority and meeples sent to Leipzig)
- Loop 2: Score features
  - Score points following the selected scoring order (decided by players taking into account robber/teacher and final word by active player if bathhouses are involved).
  - Send meeples to Leipzig (no scoring)
  - Send meeple to bathhouse, if applicable (1-meeple scorings)
  - Move wagons, if applicable
  - Remove other meeples
- Epilog:
  - Score big top
  - If active player does not score (optional): Send meeple to Carcassone and, if desired, move Count

Note 1: Loop0 and Loop1 could be the same. I kept them separate for the sake of clarity.

Hope this helps.

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