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Mini-Expansion "German Kathedrals" for Carcassonne-on-Tour 2016
« on: December 07, 2015, 12:51:41 PM »
Carcassonne-on-Tour will go on tour again in 2016.
As the years before, Carcassonne-on-Tour needs a new mini-expansion.

This year is the theme: "Kathedralen und Dome in Deutschland" / "Kathedrals and Domes in Germany".
The plan is one  mini-expansion with 6 new normal landscape tiles with kathedral /dome graphics, simular to the mini "Monasteries in Germany" from 2014.

Udo Schmitz (Carcassonne-on-Tour) has asked the members at the Carcassonne-Forum (CarcF) if we can search for nice kathedrals and domes in Germany and create an opinion poll.

At the CarcF forum we decided to look for around for kathedrals and domes  for each region of Germany (North, South, West, East and Middle).

And again there are two kathedrals and domes directly from HiG and Klaus-Jürgen Wrede:
-"Frauenkirche" in Munich
- "Kölner Dom" in Cologne

Here is the link to the topic at CarcF:
Suche nach Mini für Carcassonne-on-Tour 2016

Today - we have just started this project at CarcF.

The searching for possible kathedrals and doms runs till 15.12.2015
And the opinion poll will run till 30.12.2015

Linkback: https://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=2233.0

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Mini-Expansion "German Kathedrals" for Carcassonne-on-Tour 2016
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2015, 12:58:03 PM »
Great news! I really like the German Monasteries and German Castles minis, so I have high hopes for the German Cathedrals too!

Edit: I wonder how long they can continue with this theme while still keeping it interesting. I hope they don't drag this out for years and years so that we get German Gold Mines or something in 2023. German Ferries! Lakes! Sheep! Catapults! Wagons!
« Last Edit: December 07, 2015, 02:31:13 PM by jungleboy »

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Re: Mini-Expansion "German Kathedrals" for Carcassonne-on-Tour 2016
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2015, 02:53:06 PM »
I'm sure the cathedral tiles will look beautiful but I wonder if it will be in the new art and also what size the tile may be? The game mechanic, that could be anything. My guess is that it increases the value of followers in surrounding tiles I.e. A big follower is worth 3 when adjacent to a German cathedral.
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Re: Mini-Expansion "German Kathedrals" for Carcassonne-on-Tour 2016
« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2015, 02:55:09 PM »
The landscape tiles will have the normal size. The graphics - we all hope that we get the Doris Matthäus style...

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Re: Mini-Expansion "German Kathedrals" for Carcassonne-on-Tour 2016
« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2015, 03:19:18 PM »
Remember that they're Cathedrals, which means they are linked to cities. Since we've already gotten a Road bonus and Cloister bonus tile, a City bonus tile makes sense. But they won't reuse the rules from the official Cathedrals expansion—that would be to harsh and we can't really afford six more CCCC tiles. I imagine Guy is correct in that surrounding Followers will get a boost when scored. +3 points for whenever the feature they are on is scored (assuming they win the feature). It's simple, logical, and would work well with the base game. Alternatively, it could give a bonus to all Followers in tiles that include a part of the City with the Cathedral in it, or it could just give a lump bonus to the winner of the City.

On CarcF, I recommended the cathedrals of Trier, Mainz, Cologne, and Aachen. The first three of those were all Holy Roman Empire electoral archbishoprics, while the fourth was the historic capital of the Frankish Empire and the site of Charlemagne's coronation. Honestly, I don't give much care to how visually appealing the cathedrals are compared to how important they are to history.

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Re: Mini-Expansion "German Kathedrals" for Carcassonne-on-Tour 2016
« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2015, 09:44:45 PM »
Im really hoping on a new somewhat difficult mechanic.. and not just +3.. which is used too much.. (darmstadt, fairy, castles, windroses, etc)

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Re: Mini-Expansion "German Kathedrals" for Carcassonne-on-Tour 2016
« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2015, 10:33:35 PM »

On CarcF, I recommended the cathedrals of Trier, Mainz, Cologne, and Aachen.

I vote for Aachen as well, which I've been to and which is great both for beauty and for historical importance. I can't remember the Trier cathedral at all (I was there for the Roman sites). Cologne is already in per kettlefish's post (and deservedly), while I've never been to Mainz.

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Re: Mini-Expansion "German Kathedrals" for Carcassonne-on-Tour 2016
« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2015, 10:50:48 PM »
I just restructured my vote. Despite the geographic locality of all of them, I now insist from a historical perspective on Cologne, Trier, Mainz, Aachen, Speyer, and Bamberg. All are imperial cathedrals, all played an important part in medieval German history (an era that should always be a focus for Carcassonne expansions), and two are UNESCO World Heritage Sites. Sorry, but München/Munich is not even really a medieval structure, so I can't support its inclusion. Use Bamberg and you still get a Bavarian cathedral and you don't distort history.

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Re: Mini-Expansion "German Kathedrals" for Carcassonne-on-Tour 2016
« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2015, 11:03:59 PM »
I don't think this expansion will be historically correct ... as it won't be geograpically correct.

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Re: Mini-Expansion "German Kathedrals" for Carcassonne-on-Tour 2016
« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2015, 11:26:14 PM »
I don't think this expansion will be historically correct ... as it won't be geograpically correct.

+1 to this.

I don't really get the argument for inclusion of certain sites based on historical significance. Isn't that significance undermined somewhat simply by the fact that these sites are now popping up in Southern France? ???

Edit: I wonder how long they can continue with this theme while still keeping it interesting. I hope they don't drag this out for years and years so that we get German Gold Mines or something in 2023. German Ferries! Lakes! Sheep! Catapults! Wagons!

+1 to this also. :-\

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Re: Mini-Expansion "German Kathedrals" for Carcassonne-on-Tour 2016
« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2015, 01:13:15 AM »
I don't think this expansion will be historically correct ... as it won't be geograpically correct.
Just because it is geographically inaccurate doesn't mean it has to be historically inaccurate too.

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Re: Mini-Expansion "German Kathedrals" for Carcassonne-on-Tour 2016
« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2015, 01:35:55 AM »
I agree with Whaleyland. If the Munich cathedral is not from the medieval period, I'd prefer that it be left out. Otherwise the floodgates will open and we'll end up with modern convention centers on tiles.

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Re: Mini-Expansion "German Kathedrals" for Carcassonne-on-Tour 2016
« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2015, 02:24:31 AM »
Too late. Darmstadt.

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Re: Mini-Expansion "German Kathedrals" for Carcassonne-on-Tour 2016
« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2015, 01:38:03 PM »
Here is one more.... Braunschweiger Dom and some history about it...

please look at CarcF (I have posted there a link - also in English):
http://www.carcassonne-forum.de/viewtopic.php?f=155&t=3009&start=15#p36711

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Re: Mini-Expansion "German Kathedrals" for Carcassonne-on-Tour 2016
« Reply #14 on: December 08, 2015, 02:35:47 PM »
I think I have over 500 monasteries so I'm definately in for a new concept.  ;)
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