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« on: January 19, 2021, 11:00:10 AM »
Working with a snapshot of the game in order to make every evaluations seems nice and easier to understand and apply. That's a really good idea. But I think it has to be applied either to every scoring in step 3,or to none of them. Applying one scoring mechanic for complex scoring only and not for others would bring more doubts, questions and mistakes. A way to reorder step 3 but still keep some order could be: 1. Identify the features... 2. Decide the order and give points for every bonus before scoring (watchtower, toll...) 3. Decide the order and give points for completed feature, including bonuses 4. Decide the order and give points for bonuses after scoring (fairy, ringmaster, teacher, Darmstadt church, Leipzig) 5. Meeples are removed/moved 
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« on: January 19, 2021, 07:49:46 AM »
Hello
Thank you !
I got all the listed tiles, do you want me to try to take a picture?
Regards
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You're welcome  I thought I had finished, but I'm already working on the next version, that'll be 36 pages. I'm working on making the document's structure easier to understand, renaming the steps so that they match WICA's order of play (4 steps instead of  and changing the way message and robber actions are marked. Thanks for your proposition. I've got all of the tiles too, but scanning them or taking pictures doesn't allow to get the same colouring as the informatic picture. But Black did just give me a lead on where to find them, so it should be ok
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« on: January 19, 2021, 12:17:09 AM »
File has been updated to v6.2.3:  - Added easter in Carcassonne's rules
- Added the gingerbread man's rules
- Corrected the action's order at the end of the scoring phase
- Corrected the rules for placing a meeple in the City of Carcassonne and moving the count
- Separated step 6 to step 6a and step 6b
- Improved the quality of some more pictures, they should all be with high definition now, except those listed below
- Ordered features by alphabetical order in the scoring sections
- Some minor layout optimisations
- Added illustrations at the bottom of pages with a large blank section
I'm still looking for some good quality pictures (better than those on WICA), if someone's got them or knows where to find them, it'd be nice to share (I did already dig on WICA, cundco and zman's websites as well as on rules downloadable from cundco and zman's websites): - Wind rose quarter tile
- Wind rose starting tile
- Message tile's back
- Sheep tokens (individual tokens)
- Robbers printed next to a road
- Besiegers tile
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« on: January 18, 2021, 10:44:29 PM »
Hi, Have a look at the order of play: https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Order_of_PlaySelect the expansions you want (3 and 5 here). The dragon moves in step 2b The farmers are removed during the scoring phase, at the end of step 3b. So the dragon may eat them before the scoring of the field.
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« on: January 18, 2021, 08:37:27 AM »
thank you, 63 years old and almost all of my teeth
Congratulations! And happy birthday
681
« on: January 18, 2021, 08:34:58 AM »
My "personal" way of explaining it when playing with new players (not official at all, but it works) is that you play a volcano tile like any other after placing the dragon on it. But if you place on that tile a figure that can be eaten by the dragon, then the dragon eats the figure before it can touch the tile (so the figure hasn't even been placed). This applies also to meeple placed using a portal or flying machine on a tile with the dragon. And the same mechanic works with the plague and Russian promos too
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« on: January 18, 2021, 04:25:49 AM »
I'm in! 
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« on: January 18, 2021, 01:29:05 AM »
I keep seeing the title of this topic and thinking it's a reference to a James Bond film from the 90s
Carcassonne, the dragon never dies! Carcassonne, the tiles are never enough! Carcassonne, quantom of the meeple! Carcassonne, abbey royale Carcassonne, goldenmeeple And so on...
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« on: January 18, 2021, 12:09:25 AM »
In this case, the "if you did the placement" clause was added to the Order of Play after a discussion with Carcassonne93, who felt that use of "then" wasn't stressing enough the requirement whereby the Count can only be moved if you place a meeple in Carcassonne.
So, the same wording change could be applied to the C2 Exp. 6 rules to remove the ambiguous interpretation.
Adding this change to Exp. 6 rules could be nice to avoid misinterpretation, maybe with a reference to C1's rules Carcassonne93 provided.
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« on: January 17, 2021, 11:57:48 PM »
It is c1, but you're probably right
686
« on: January 17, 2021, 02:58:53 PM »
Well, The sentence is at the end of a paragraph starting with the conditions to move a meeple to Carcassonne:
German wording:
Jedes Mal, wenn du bei 3. Eine Wertung auslösen selbst eine Wertung auslöst, bei der mindestens ein Mitspieler Punkte erhält, du selbst jedoch keine, darfst du am Zugende 1 Meeple aus deinem Vorrat auf ein Stadtviertel deiner Wahl stellen. Zusätzlich darfst du den Grafen in ein Stadtviertel deiner Wahl stellen.
English translation:
Each time you trigger a score in 3. Score a feature where at least one player scores points but you do not, you may place 1 meeple from your supply in a city quarter of your choice at the end of your turn. In addition, you may place the count in a city quarter of your choice.
So, the actions are to be linked, right?
Note: This is a deja vu of the Markets of Leipzig re: the conditions to get the Wainwright quarter bonus when sending a meeple to Leipzig (only from a road with more than one meeple)
It has to be in the same paragraph as it is linked to the same condition that is "Each time you trigger a score in 3. Score a feature where at least one player scores points but you do not". But the two following actions (place a meeple and move the count) are two separate phrases, with "zuzatzlich" inbetween. I personnally do not understand this phrase as beeing dependent to each other, but only dependent to the scoring condition. But the wording is probably not clear enough to be sure of anything, so... Ok, let's say it's dependent, we have to take an option  By the way, speaking some German I do not use Google translate. But when we give full attention to a specific word, we should translate the word only in Google to get its different meanings. Zusätzlich doesn't mean "in addition" (that's "und dazu"). Zusätzlich means moreover, furthermore, additionally, supplementary...
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« on: January 17, 2021, 01:51:47 PM »
Ok, so we take every points from 3. scoring a feature into consideration (except prisoner ransom and messages, as they're not specifically part of the scoring a feature section). This means robbers and teacher are also considered, despite what the CAR stated.
Anyway, in the order of play:
If you did not score any points from placement of the tile this turn, but one or more opponents did, you may place a meeple in the City of Carcassonne. Then, if you did the placement, you may move the Count to a district of your choice.
A mention that we're considering only points from 3. Scoring a feature is missing
Personally, as long as HiG doesn't give a clarification, I'll still consider only the feature points (house rule or not), this seems more consistent to me, easy to understand, and doesn't break the gameplay when combined with the markets of Leipzig.
In the worst case scenario, a clarification about the fairy or the ringmaster may help narrow down the issue.
In any case, the restriction about 3. Scoring a feature should be added to the Order of Play.
Perfect, agreed Regarding the Count, you can only move the Count if you move a meeple to Carcassonne. The rules use "then" to indicate this dependency.
[...] you may place a meeple in one of the four city districts (even if the Count is in that district). Then, you may move the Count to a district of your choice within the city of Carcassonne.
I do not understand this phrase as a dependency.
If there was a dependency, it would be stipulated by "if you did the placement"  (and that's what's written in the order of play ("if you did the placement")).
The French and German rules are even more clear, as they use furthermore, or moreover ("de plus" in French rules, "Zusätzlich" in German rules) instead of then.
So I do not see a dependency here. English rules may not be clear enough, but German rules are clear:
If you fulfill the conditions above, you may place a meeple in the city of Carcassonne (may = you do it or not). Furthermore / moreover, you may move the count.
There's no dependency ?
And what do you think about this?
In this case, the "if you did the placement" clause was added to the Order of Play after a discussion with Carcassonne93, who felt that use of "then" wasn't stressing enough the requirement whereby the Count can only be moved if you place a meeple in Carcassonne.
So, the same wording change could be applied to the C2 Exp. 6 rules to remove the ambiguous interpretation.
Any objections?
Objection ! As stated before, I don't see how we arrive to unterstand the rules as a dependency. I think the count may be moved (unless playing with one of the two official variants) even if a player chosed not to place a meeple in the city: [...] you may place a meeple in one of the four city districts (even if the Count is in that district). Then, you may move the Count to a district of your choice within the city of Carcassonne.
If there was a dependency, it would be stipulated by "if you did the placement" , but that's not stipulated in the official rules. The French and German rules are even more clear, as they use furthermore, or moreover ("de plus" in French rules, "Zusätzlich" in German rules) instead of then.
So I do not see a dependency here. English rules may not be clear enough, but German rules are clear: If you fulfill the conditions above, you may place a meeple in the city of Carcassonne (may = you do it or not). Furthermore / moreover, you may move the count. So you can do it even if you didn't place a meeple in the city?
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« on: January 16, 2021, 11:17:34 PM »
Ok, so we take every points from 3. scoring a feature into consideration (except prisoner ransom and messages, as they're not specifically part of the scoring a feature section). This means robbers and teacher are also considered, despite what the CAR stated. Anyway, in the order of play: If you did not score any points from placement of the tile this turn, but one or more opponents did, you may place a meeple in the City of Carcassonne. Then, if you did the placement, you may move the Count to a district of your choice.
A mention that we're considering only points from 3. Scoring a feature is missing Personally, as long as HiG doesn't give a clarification, I'll still consider only the feature points (house rule or not), this seems more consistent to me, easy to understand, and doesn't break the gameplay when combined with the markets of Leipzig. Regarding the Count, you can only move the Count if you move a meeple to Carcassonne. The rules use "then" to indicate this dependency.
[...] you may place a meeple in one of the four city districts (even if the Count is in that district). Then, you may move the Count to a district of your choice within the city of Carcassonne.
I do not understand this phrase as a dependency.
If there was a dependency, it would be stipulated by "if you did the placement" (and that's what's written in the order of play ("if you did the placement")).
The French and German rules are even more clear, as they use furthermore, or moreover ("de plus" in French rules, "Zusätzlich" in German rules) instead of then.
So I do not see a dependency here. English rules may not be clear enough, but German rules are clear:
If you fulfill the conditions above, you may place a meeple in the city of Carcassonne (may = you do it or not). Furthermore / moreover, you may move the count.
There's no dependency ?
And what do you think about this?
689
« on: January 16, 2021, 01:58:52 PM »
It would be a good ideea to be released as the 7th expansion, with 16 starting tiles (with the Wheel of Fortune itself), 16-20 new tiles with Wheel symbol and the big pink pig.
Poor catapult
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« on: January 16, 2021, 01:50:48 PM »
Personally, what'd make me the happiest is WoF converted to C2!  It's a really interesting game, a beautiful starting tile, and C2 would mean villages and so more compatibility with the tollkeepers (as WoF replaces the base game).
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