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Carc Central Community => News and Events => Topic started by: kettlefish on December 07, 2015, 12:51:41 PM
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Carcassonne-on-Tour will go on tour again in 2016.
As the years before, Carcassonne-on-Tour needs a new mini-expansion.
This year is the theme: "Kathedralen und Dome in Deutschland" / "Kathedrals and Domes in Germany".
The plan is one mini-expansion with 6 new normal landscape tiles with kathedral /dome graphics, simular to the mini "Monasteries in Germany" from 2014.
Udo Schmitz (Carcassonne-on-Tour) has asked the members at the Carcassonne-Forum (CarcF) if we can search for nice kathedrals and domes in Germany and create an opinion poll.
At the CarcF forum we decided to look for around for kathedrals and domes for each region of Germany (North, South, West, East and Middle).
And again there are two kathedrals and domes directly from HiG and Klaus-Jürgen Wrede:
-"Frauenkirche" in Munich
- "Kölner Dom" in Cologne
Here is the link to the topic at CarcF:
Suche nach Mini für Carcassonne-on-Tour 2016 (http://www.carcassonne-forum.de/viewtopic.php?f=155&t=3009)
Today - we have just started this project at CarcF.
The searching for possible kathedrals and doms runs till 15.12.2015
And the opinion poll will run till 30.12.2015
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Great news! I really like the German Monasteries and German Castles minis, so I have high hopes for the German Cathedrals too!
Edit: I wonder how long they can continue with this theme while still keeping it interesting. I hope they don't drag this out for years and years so that we get German Gold Mines or something in 2023. German Ferries! Lakes! Sheep! Catapults! Wagons!
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I'm sure the cathedral tiles will look beautiful but I wonder if it will be in the new art and also what size the tile may be? The game mechanic, that could be anything. My guess is that it increases the value of followers in surrounding tiles I.e. A big follower is worth 3 when adjacent to a German cathedral.
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The landscape tiles will have the normal size. The graphics - we all hope that we get the Doris Matthäus style...
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Remember that they're Cathedrals, which means they are linked to cities. Since we've already gotten a Road bonus and Cloister bonus tile, a City bonus tile makes sense. But they won't reuse the rules from the official Cathedrals expansion—that would be to harsh and we can't really afford six more CCCC tiles. I imagine Guy is correct in that surrounding Followers will get a boost when scored. +3 points for whenever the feature they are on is scored (assuming they win the feature). It's simple, logical, and would work well with the base game. Alternatively, it could give a bonus to all Followers in tiles that include a part of the City with the Cathedral in it, or it could just give a lump bonus to the winner of the City.
On CarcF, I recommended the cathedrals of Trier, Mainz, Cologne, and Aachen. The first three of those were all Holy Roman Empire electoral archbishoprics, while the fourth was the historic capital of the Frankish Empire and the site of Charlemagne's coronation. Honestly, I don't give much care to how visually appealing the cathedrals are compared to how important they are to history.
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Im really hoping on a new somewhat difficult mechanic.. and not just +3.. which is used too much.. (darmstadt, fairy, castles, windroses, etc)
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On CarcF, I recommended the cathedrals of Trier, Mainz, Cologne, and Aachen.
I vote for Aachen as well, which I've been to and which is great both for beauty and for historical importance. I can't remember the Trier cathedral at all (I was there for the Roman sites). Cologne is already in per kettlefish's post (and deservedly), while I've never been to Mainz.
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I just restructured my vote. Despite the geographic locality of all of them, I now insist from a historical perspective on Cologne, Trier, Mainz, Aachen, Speyer, and Bamberg. All are imperial cathedrals, all played an important part in medieval German history (an era that should always be a focus for Carcassonne expansions), and two are UNESCO World Heritage Sites. Sorry, but München/Munich is not even really a medieval structure, so I can't support its inclusion. Use Bamberg and you still get a Bavarian cathedral and you don't distort history.
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I don't think this expansion will be historically correct ... as it won't be geograpically correct.
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I don't think this expansion will be historically correct ... as it won't be geograpically correct.
+1 to this.
I don't really get the argument for inclusion of certain sites based on historical significance. Isn't that significance undermined somewhat simply by the fact that these sites are now popping up in Southern France? ???
Edit: I wonder how long they can continue with this theme while still keeping it interesting. I hope they don't drag this out for years and years so that we get German Gold Mines or something in 2023. German Ferries! Lakes! Sheep! Catapults! Wagons!
+1 to this also. :-\
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I don't think this expansion will be historically correct ... as it won't be geograpically correct.
Just because it is geographically inaccurate doesn't mean it has to be historically inaccurate too.
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I agree with Whaleyland. If the Munich cathedral is not from the medieval period, I'd prefer that it be left out. Otherwise the floodgates will open and we'll end up with modern convention centers on tiles.
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Too late. Darmstadt.
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Here is one more.... Braunschweiger Dom and some history about it...
please look at CarcF (I have posted there a link - also in English):
http://www.carcassonne-forum.de/viewtopic.php?f=155&t=3009&start=15#p36711 (http://www.carcassonne-forum.de/viewtopic.php?f=155&t=3009&start=15#p36711)
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I think I have over 500 monasteries so I'm definately in for a new concept. ;)
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So many amazing choices in Germany. You have Lorenzkirche in Nuremberg, The Dom in Bamberg and Regensburg Cathedral and they are just ones i went to in Bavaria. Presumably Ulm must be one?
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It is after midnight here in Germany - the searching for cathedrals and doms for the next mini-expansion is finished.
We have to complete the list for all the cathedrals and doms in Germany.
In the next days we will start the poll at CarcF.
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At CarcF I have posted the complete finished list for all the cathedrals and doms in Germany.
Here is the link:
http://www.carcassonne-forum.de/viewtopic.php?f=155&p=36927#p36927 (http://www.carcassonne-forum.de/viewtopic.php?f=155&p=36927#p36927)
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We have started the poll at CarcF.
Here is the link to the voting:
Mini Erweiterung: Kathedralen in Deutschland (http://www.carcassonne-forum.de/viewtopic.php?f=79&t=3021)
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At CarcF the voting poll for the new mini expansion "Cathedrals in Germany (http://www.carcassonne-forum.de/viewtopic.php?f=79&t=3021)":
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some translation of the main text (translation by bing translator):
HiG / Carcassonne-on-tour is giving away 5 copies signed by Klaus-Jürgen Wrede, among all those who help with the selection/survey. This mini expansion will be sent to the winners after completion.
If you want to participate in prize draw, we ask you in addition to the survey to write a short reply. It is not necessary to name all of your selected cathedrals. Rather, it is enough if you give a reason why you have or just not even chosen a certain Cathedral.
You must give 4 answers.
If you want to change your vote later, you can do this like.
The survey runs for 14 days.
Only members from the Carcassonne-Forum can vote there.
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Many Thanks for the news kettlefish :)
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Any news on the final six cathedrals chosen?
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Any news on the final six cathedrals chosen?
Here is the result:
This two cathedrals are the wish from HiG and KJW:
- Frauenkirche in Munich (wish from HiG)
- Kölner Dom (wish from KJW)
The opinion poll has following 4 winner cathedrals:
- 31 - Dresdner Frauenkirche
- 20 - Hamburger Michel
- 19 - Aachener Dom
- 16 - Ulmer Münster
and these are the next cathedrals:
- 12 - Limburger Dom
- 12 - Freiburger Münster
- 10 - Frankfurter Kaiserdom
- 09 - Speyerer Dom
At CarcF I have posted the result:
http://www.carcassonne-forum.de/viewtopic.php?f=79&t=3021&start=30#p37298 (http://www.carcassonne-forum.de/viewtopic.php?f=79&t=3021&start=30#p37298)
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Thank you. I am happy to see Aachen get selected because it is one of my favourite cathedrals in Europe.
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/16/01/09/9e4931c4352d2b9c0b125bc1fec58fda.jpg)
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Any news on the final six cathedrals chosen?
Here is the result:
This two cathedrals are the wish from HiG and KJW:
- Frauenkirche in Munich (wish from HiG)
- Kölner Dom (wish from KJW)
The opinion poll has following 4 winner cathedrals:
- 31 - Dresdner Frauenkirche
- 20 - Hamburger Michel
- 19 - Aachener Dom
- 16 - Ulmer Münster
and these are the next cathedrals:
- 12 - Limburger Dom
- 12 - Freiburger Münster
- 10 - Frankfurter Kaiserdom
- 09 - Speyerer Dom
At CarcF I have posted the result:
http://www.carcassonne-forum.de/viewtopic.php?f=79&t=3021&start=30#p37298 (http://www.carcassonne-forum.de/viewtopic.php?f=79&t=3021&start=30#p37298)
Bleh. Only Cologne and Aachen made it on the list (and Speyer as a runner up). Not satisfied at all.
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I have some news about this mini-expansion:
Who is the graphic artist for this mini-expansion?
Doris Matthäus
Should we get a view of the graphic?
Yes - here is one of the 6 tiles (with the permission from Moritz Brunnhofer - HiG):
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Yay, old artwork! Merit for you kettlefish, and merit for everybody!
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Thanks jungleboy.
And thanks for the infornation Kettle :) looks great!
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Great news indeed. Seems not everything will be in the 2.0 version after all.
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Merit Kettlefish! MERIT DORIS!!
So these cathedrals are not CCCC tiles... Hum.. Interesting.
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So is it one single road? They clearly don't have anything blocking them.
I love it!
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So is it one single road? They clearly don't have anything blocking them.
I love it!
Good point Rosco. We'll have to see in the rules but it is very plausible.
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I thought that this expansion will be cathedrals in cities (I mean the catedrals with same rules as in 2nd expansion). Am I wrong?
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Clearly. Perhaps the roads score 0 if they're not complete. A bit like inns. We'll have to wait and see unless Kettlefish knows and wants to tell us now ;)
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I thought that this expansion will be cathedrals in cities (I mean the catedrals with same rules as in 2nd expansion). Am I wrong?
I was really expecting CCCC tiles so I'm really surprised. Not with same rules as I&C though, obviously.
Munich has never looked so green, so rural... (Not complaining, just surprised). Tile looks great for sure.
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So is it one single road? They clearly don't have anything blocking them.
... We'll have to wait and see unless Kettlefish knows and wants to tell us now ;)
Here are some more information:
on that tile are 3 roads and 3 farms. The cathedral in Germany divides the roads and farms.
The cathedral in Germany (here the "Frauenkirche" church in Munich) stands on a place with light brown-grey gravel. The 3 road sections go over to the usual bright white.
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Looks good, particularly pleased it's the traditional style artwork. Thanks for the picture and info kettlefish. Looking forward to hearing more and adding this to the collection.
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I hope this is not the last one expansion for old good Carcassonne
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kettlefish, is this expansion going to involve calling a Follower a "Bishop"? Just wondering.
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I hope this is not the last one expansion for old good Carcassonne
With the rise of Carc 2 and the abundance of fan-made expansions and variants for Carc 1, I would say this could be the last :(
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I hope this is not the last one expansion for old good Carcassonne
With the rise of Carc 2 and the abundance of fan-made expansions and variants for Carc 1, I would say this could be the last :(
I dunno. This is the second year in a row the Carcassonne-on-tour expansion has come out in the old artwork even with the new artwork out. Maybe it is HiG's way of making the old-art fans happy with a yearly mini-expansion while they reprint major expansions in the new art at the same time.
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It may be the second year in a row, but we've had Monasteries, Castles and now Cathedrals, all in small expansions. It seems to me like a novelty addition, based on real historical buildings to give a theme. I fear this may be an appeasement, done to satisfy everyone still hoping for more in the old artwork. I'll feel safe if we see a full expansion in the old art. I think Jungleboy is right, this is just a way of keeping us happy.
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kettlefish, is this expansion going to involve calling a Follower a "Bishop"? Just wondering.
C:-) - that could be possible... >:D
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It may be the second year in a row, but we've had Monasteries, Castles and now Cathedrals, all in small expansions. It seems to me like a novelty addition, based on real historical buildings to give a theme. I fear this may be an appeasement, done to satisfy everyone still hoping for more in the old artwork. I'll feel safe if we see a full expansion in the old art. I think Jungleboy is right, this is just a way of keeping us happy.
I understand what you are saying and think there will be more but probably only through these means and in limited supply. I don't know how many years more this could go on!
What other possibilities could there be? I can only really think of an expansion to improve farmers next year (field spaces of famous monuments or open landscapes in Germany) but beyond this I'm out of ideas!
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Who knows how long it can last. I agree, though, that something needs to be done for Farms. Monasteries were a new stand-alone element (with a cloister alternative mechanism), Castles were super-cloisters with bonuses to Cities and Roads, and Cathedrals are...well we don't know yet but I somehow doubt they involve Farms; more likely Roads (considering kettlefish made a point of pointing that aspect out). They may also double as a new element in themselves (with Bishops, hopefully!!!). None of those (or Windroses, the first Carcassonne-on-Tour expansion) has done anything for Farms and now Carc II is trying to downplay Farms and Star Wars Carc got rid of Farms entirely. We need something new for Farms!
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Who knows how long it can last. I agree, though, that something needs to be done for Farms. Monasteries were a new stand-alone element (with a cloister alternative mechanism), Castles were super-cloisters with bonuses to Cities and Roads, and Cathedrals are...well we don't know yet but I somehow doubt they involve Farms; more likely Roads (considering kettlefish made a point of pointing that aspect out). They may also double as a new element in themselves (with Bishops, hopefully!!!). None of those (or Windroses, the first Carcassonne-on-Tour expansion) has done anything for Farms and now Carc II is trying to downplay Farms and Star Wars Carc got rid of Farms entirely. We need something new for Farms!
Almost something similar to the pig sty from River 2 which boosts points or allows bonuses of some description
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Carc II is trying to downplay Farms and Star Wars Carc got rid of Farms entirely. We need something new for Farms!
How is CII downplaying farms?? That's ridiculous. And I agree, farms need something new. We haven't really had anything since the barn. Well, and sheep, I suppose, though they aren't really farms, they just get played in them.
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kettlefish, is this expansion going to involve calling a Follower a "Bishop"? Just wondering.
C:-) - that could be possible... >:D
Is this sarcasm? :o?
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Carc II is trying to downplay Farms and Star Wars Carc got rid of Farms entirely. We need something new for Farms!
How is CII downplaying farms?? That's ridiculous. And I agree, farms need something new. We haven't really had anything since the barn. Well, and sheep, I suppose, though they aren't really farms, they just get played in them.
I wouldn't consider Sheep a farm booster really. CII places the rules for the Farms after the rest of the rules implying they are sort of an "Advanced Variant" rather than a part of the core rules. Very dissatisfying.
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I wouldn't consider Sheep a farm booster really.
I agree, I just mentioned the sheep as they occurred to me.
CII places the rules for the Farms after the rest of the rules implying they are sort of an "Advanced Variant" rather than a part of the core rules. Very dissatisfying.
An advanced variant?? WHAT?! That's appalling! Farms are part of the game. You can't just dump them because... well, I don't know why. Dreadful. Just dreadful. The scoundrels. What will they do when they remake Abbeys and Mayors in the new art? State that the barns, a large component of the expansion, are only for the 'advanced variant?' What did they do with the pig in Traders and Builders?
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How is CII downplaying farms?? That's ridiculous. And I agree, farms need something new. We haven't really had anything since the barn. Well, and sheep, I suppose, though they aren't really farms, they just get played in them.
Shepherds did add some usefulness to fields, since you only benefited from them when you extended a field (which gives a very good incentive to actually play it in your farm). Remember, this was the last major expansion to be released, so had a recent effect on farm usefulness!
I agree that farms need something more (rather than simply new) but it can't just be something to add an extra point. It should actually create a new tier of farming and scoring (almost like how builders changed city building or wagons reshaped road building).
What do you think?
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How is CII downplaying farms?? That's ridiculous. And I agree, farms need something new. We haven't really had anything since the barn. Well, and sheep, I suppose, though they aren't really farms, they just get played in them.
Shepherds did add some usefulness to fields, since you only benefited from them when you extended a field (which gives a very good incentive to actually play it in your farm). Remember, this was the last major expansion to be released, so had a recent effect on farm usefulness!
I agree that farms need something more (rather than simply new) but it can't just be something to add an extra point. It should actually create a new tier of farming and scoring (almost like how builders changed city building or wagons reshaped road building).
What do you think?
I see what you mean, but they don't really change the farms, and building in a farm is done pretty much by adding to any other feature.
I completely agree, just adding more points wouldn't do it. It needs to be something different.
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Kettlefish answered your prayers: :))
CarcF – Thoughts about Mini for Carcassonne on Tour (geman) (http://www.carcassonne-forum.de/viewtopic.php?f=155&t=3130&view=unread#unread)
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We've had a number of ideas over the years that would benefit Farms. I think the best is the "embankment" or "knoll" or "berm" or whatever it was called that separated Fields with a geographic marker that was otherwise unremarkable. It acted kind of like a River in that you never scored for it but it could divide Fields. No points gains, but it could be used aggressively or defensively to make Fields smaller. I like the CarcF ideas of trees or hedges (which were and still are very common in France) to divide fields. It would work the same as the embankments and may be more visually stimulating.
I think Carcassonne hit the mark in Hunters & Gatherers with the various items in the Fields for scoring. It's definitely too late now to add those to the base game but having animals or fruit trees or something else in the Fields that straight-up give bonus points when in your Farm would probably have been the best way to go, especially considering that's what pretty much all the spin-offs have done. Instead, all we got was the Pig Farmer, a Pig, and a Barn. (Still not counting Shepherds.)
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I like the embankment/hedge idea. Trying to close off farms is tricky sometimes, although the corner to corner city tiles which are more prevalent in later expansions do help. But features which can be played for that purpose exactly would be great. Tiles with roads plus a line of hedges to cut off a farm in the other direction would be lovely. Might not be enough on its own though.
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Excited for the idea of hedges and similar as well. Could provide something extra to the game!
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It was confirmed by our Czech distributor - there will be a big 10th expansion next year but only for a new redesigned Carcassonne. Not for the old one. More info is available at our Czech forum carcassonneforum.4fan.cz.
I will create a new thread here with highlighted posts and info about this.
Really sad that the Carcassonne v1 wont get this big expansion too!
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Hi, did you know this?
http://www.hans-im-glueck.de/news/newsdetails/news/neue_sonder_erweiterung_fuer_carcassonne/
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Yep - Kettlefish has been keeping us posted on 'German Cathedrals'
Thanks for letting us know though
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Any more news on this?
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http://www.hans-im-glueck.de/news/newsdetails/news/neue_sonder_erweiterung_fuer_carcassonne/
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Here comes a small part of the next Landscape tile from "Cathedrals in Germany":
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When do you think it will be available in the store?
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When do you think it will be available in the store?
If it's the same as the last two years with German Monasteries and Castles, it should appear very soon (within a few days) on Cundco and stay there for two weeks, and then not be available again until Essen.
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Not until Easter - which isn't too far away!
http://www.hans-im-glueck.de/news/newsdetails/news/neue_sonder_erweiterung_fuer_carcassonne/
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And these will be old or new artwork (probably new)?
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And these will be old or new artwork (probably new)?
all 6 tiles have the old style of artwork from Doris Matthäus
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Thanks Kettlefish!
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It's there in the store... Item number 3116
http://cundco.de/en/detail/index/sArticle/143/sCategory/47
http://cundco.de/detail/index/sArticle/143/sCategory/14
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It's worth adding:
For every seller mini-expansion "Kathedralen in Deutschland" goes one Euro to a refugee organization. Who wants to donate more can order the Osterei/Easteregg and write "Donation" in the textfield.
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Die Belagerer is also back in stock I see. Might be tempted to buy another copy..
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'Lol it is really just added.. because this morning it wasn't there yett haha
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Damnit the school bundle is gone..
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Die Belagerer is also back in stock I see. Might be tempted to buy another copy..
There are only 100 left. I grabbed one, because I want one for my travel box.
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Damnit the school bundle is gone..
What was it? Can't seem to follow.
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SRBO meant the 4 school bags. They were not bundles of the school.
The school is still available, i bet if you order 6 you'll have enough + the tiles.
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I can't click on a lot of this stuff or translate anything from German while at work. Are the rules available yet? If it is the same as De Kloosters I'm not sure I am interested.
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I can't click on a lot of this stuff or translate anything from German while at work. Are the rules available yet? If it is the same as De Kloosters I'm not sure I am interested.
It states that the rules are added in German and English so not really sure if there are differences but it seems logical, because they're adding them..
And thanks Decar!
Just placed my order, excited is an understatement!
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I think kettlefish, has already hinted that the roads are important, some of the tiles have 4 roads, while others only have three.
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As you can see on the picture - Doris Matthäus has changed a bit the graphics - now there are some bushes, trees and houses to splitt the roads.
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Oh Yes, that's very clever; none of the roads are connected now. I guess they can be considered terminated. Very curious!
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SRBO meant the 4 school bags. They were not bundles of the school.
The school is still available, i bet if you order 6 you'll have enough + the tiles.
Yes I meant those.
Sadly i was waiting for the Kathedrals.
A well, maybe theyll be available again.
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They have also released blank tiles for expansions individually :(y) :(y) :(y)
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here are the Cathedrals in Germany - I put the names of the Cathedrals onto the tiles.
The tiles have in the rulebook an expansion symbol as a watermark.
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Thanks kettlefish,
This is a nice big picture. I'm not sure which I like the most - They are all very intricate!
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This is a nice big picture. I'm not sure which I like the most - They are all very intricate!
I am biased towards the Early Middle Ages (a period I enjoy learning about) but even so I think Aachen is clearly the best :)
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I am biased towards the Early Middle Ages (a period I enjoy learning about) but even so I think Aachen is clearly the best :)
Aachen is from the early-ish Middle Ages, at least compared to most other extant cathedrals in Europe.
I just ordered my copy. I considered throwing in the new light green meeples, but without the other pieces, it would never be used in my games. I don't like to feel restricted in my colour choices, so I just won't buy incomplete colours anymore.
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I am biased towards the Early Middle Ages (a period I enjoy learning about) but even so I think Aachen is clearly the best :)
Aachen is from the early-ish Middle Ages, at least compared to most other extant cathedrals in Europe.
Right, that's what I meant. As in, I would have chosen Aachen as my favourite regardless.
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I have placed my order! Can't wait!
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They look great - now ordered :D
Shame they no longer have the multiple small bags (the empty Schule sort) in stock now as I wanted to make a bigger order than just the German Kathedrals! Oh well, I'm too much a fan of the Doris art, so hey ho!
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I don't often buy an expansion before I read the rules, but I made an exception this time :) I also caved in and ordered both halflings...
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Die Belagerer sold out again.
What about the cloth bags from School expansion, will be there any way to buy them in bulk?
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Do we finally have the rules for this expansion?
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Not yet, last time we had to wait for someone to scan them, or HiG announced on Twitter I think.
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I think they will publish them soon in pdf
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The mini-expansion has the rulebook in German and English.
I did the correction reading for the German rule, but I don't know if I have the final version.
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Any more provisional clues for us kettlefish? I've had some asks on twitter.
Perhaps we can ask 20 questions and make a game of it?
1) Are the rules scoring of the cathedrals unique, new or are they similar to an existing expansion?
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Hi Decar,
I think 20 questions are to much.
your 1st question:
- the roads scores more points
- the follower on a German Cathedral as a bishop - the score is simular like in the spin-off game "Gold Rush"
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Ahh like the cities in Gold Rush - 3 points per completed rail road. So, German Cathedrals are a bit like Cathedrals from Inns and Cathedrals.
2) Do they score 0 if left unfinished?
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So, German Cathedrals are a bit like Cathedrals from Inns and Cathedrals.
That would make some sense after all :)
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Ahh like the cities in Gold Rush - 3 points per completed rail road. So, German Cathedrals are a bit like Cathedrals from Inns and Cathedrals.
I didn't say anything about how much points for the score
And I don't understand why Cathedrals in Germany are like Cathedrals from "Inns and Cathedrals"
2) Do they score 0 if left unfinished?
No
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3) Are the tiles mixed into the deck, or is each player given one?
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3) Are the tiles mixed into the deck, or is each player given one?
It is easier for me if I can answer with yes or no...
Ok here - mixed into the other landscape tiles
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Sorry, I was cheating - I assumed if it's not one - it was the other.
Does someone else want to ask more questions?
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Q: Why does Decar (or anyone else) need to know the rules before the tiles arrive on his doorstep? :)) (There could be a post doctoral thesis in that one for someone)
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Yes or No answers only :p
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Q: Why does Decar (or anyone else) need to know the rules before the tiles arrive on his doorstep? :)) (There could be a post doctoral thesis in that one for someone)
Hi hunnymonster,
it is a kind of thinking sports - they like to think about it what could be included in the rule.
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Q: Why does Decar (or anyone else) need to know the rules before the tiles arrive on his doorstep? :)) (There could be a post doctoral thesis in that one for someone)
Hi hunnymonster,
it is a kind of thinking sports - they like to think about it what could be included in the rule.
I get that - I was being facetious/spöttisch :)
After all knowing the rules doesn't help until you have your hands on the tiles - and then you'll have the rules too!
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This looks like a very fun expansion. We have seen the tiles and presumably understand some of the rules. As I said before, I was asked on Twitter, many people will not buy the tiles until the rules are published, in case they don't like them, it is reasonable for someone to know what they are purchasing if they are not as big fans as us. I doubt the rules will be published by next week when the tiles will no longer be available until Essen.
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We don't know the English rules. I have only the German rules.
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@kettlefish - The English rules (especially when played with other EU players) will of course involve Extrawurst for any British players :)
@Decar - I get that too - but then if they are not such fans then they could easily play using a house rule that treats them like cloisters (or something)
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at Boardgamegeek (BGG) - you can find the mini-expansion here:
https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgameexpansion/196080/carcassonne-cathedrals-germany (https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgameexpansion/196080/carcassonne-cathedrals-germany)
I have to say the description is wrong and also the graphic artist is wrong.
And no word who is the designer of this mini-expansion.
Can someone please tell the BGG people that they are wrong?
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I've send a PM to W Eric Martin at BGG.
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I updated the description and submitted a correct. Also the name is incorrect - I was told off for submitting an alternative name for the Cathars because it was never published as the 'Cathars' this will not be published as 'German Cathedrals'.
@hunnymonster - If they're not such fans they can use a cloister to act as a cloister - people like to see developed products. HiG should be explaining the rules of their products, however I see this as an early release prior to Essen.
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To play this mini with standard cloisters is a promblem. It is important to have 3 or 4 road segments on that tile.
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To play this mini with standard cloisters is a promblem. It is important to have 3 or 4 road segments on that tile.
I dont get this..
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5) When all the roads are completed, does the Bishop score?
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I ordered mine today.
The bad news is that I missed out on besiegers.
The good news is they let me stuff a lot of mini expansions into the 3,95 shipping envelope. Last time I had to keep the total order under 10 Euros.
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5) When all the roads are completed, does the Bishop score?
yes the bishop score when all the roads are completed around the German castle tile (start roads on that tile) during the game.
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Is it possible to score both the bishop and a road? Or does the bishop kick out all followers from the road, just like the barn does?
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To play this mini with standard cloisters is a promblem. It is important to have 3 or 4 road segments on that tile.
I dont get this..
She means that the description of the German Cathedrals as cloisters is inaccurate because the mechanics are different, and the mechanics of the German Cathedrals require 3-4 roads to be included on each tile, which is not the case for regular cloisters. Therefore, you can't use regular cloisters and play with the German Cathedral rules.
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Is it possible to score both the bishop and a road?
Yes
Or does the bishop kick out all followers from the road, just like the barn does?
No
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W Eric Martin has updated the BGG page for the Mini "Cathedrals in Germany (https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgameexpansion/196080/carcassonne-cathedrals-germany)"
now,
- the artist is Doris Matthäus
- the designer is Klaus-Jürgen Wrede
and the description is new. ;D
Thanks to W Eric Martin at BGG
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"If a meeple is placed as a thief on a road connected to a cathedral, then the thief earns more points for the road. Alternatively, a meeple can be placed on the cathedral itself as a bishop, and if all of the roads connected to the cathedral have been finished before the end of the game, the bishop scores points for its owner."
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Ok we have monks, abbots, bishops, and heretics. I'm looking forward to the future additions of cardinals, nuns, and perhaps rabbi. Not to mention friar.
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Ok we have monks, abbots, bishops, and heretics. I'm looking forward to the future additions of cardinals, nuns, and perhaps rabbi.
We also have the Abt
What about an Imam (islam)?
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Ok we have monks, abbots, bishops, and heretics. I'm looking forward to the future additions of cardinals, nuns, and perhaps rabbi.
We also have the Abt
What about an Imam (islam)?
I'm not sure how close to France the Moors made it before getting kicked out.
I just Googled it and the Moors at one time controlled Carcassonne... I smell an expansion.
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I'm not sure how close to France the Moors made it before getting kicked out.
I'd say that inside France is pretty close to France :)
The Battle of Tours (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tours)
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A more battle orientated expansion would definitly earn my interest!
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A Moor battle orientated expansion would definitly earn my interest!
I agree. Heck, I am still hoping for some besiegers.
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A Moor battle orientated expansion would definitly earn my interest!
I agree. Heck, I am still hoping for some besiegers.
haha i like what you did there xd
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I made an expansion a few years ago about the Franish reconquest of Gaul from the Moors. Check it out: http://carcassonnecentral.com/forum/index.php?topic=1116.0 (http://carcassonnecentral.com/forum/index.php?topic=1116.0).
Edit: Apparently I need to re-find the files. They are all linked to my old WorldofCatan site, which doesn't exist anymore. Here's the link to the rules, at least: http://www.whaleyland.com/downloads/gaulrules.pdf (http://www.whaleyland.com/downloads/gaulrules.pdf)
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@kettlefish - thanks for sharing what you know and getting bgg fixed. I only hope the English rules are the same :)
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I'm not sure how close to France the Moors made it before getting kicked out.
I'd say that inside France is pretty close to France :)
The Battle of Tours (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tours)
Well technically Carcassonne is inside modern-day France, the city (and Toulouse) were only added to France in 1273, so during most of the time this game takes place, it was independent of France, at least for all practical purposes. People in Carcassonne in the Middle Ages would not have considered themselves French in any way, shape, or form.
Still, the Muslims did make it to Tours, which is much closer to Paris than Carcassonne.
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I made an expansion a few years ago about the Franish reconquest of Gaul from the Moors. Check it out: http://carcassonnecentral.com/forum/index.php?topic=1116.0 (http://carcassonnecentral.com/forum/index.php?topic=1116.0).
Edit: Apparently I need to re-find the files. They are all linked to my old WorldofCatan site, which doesn't exist anymore. Here's the link to the rules, at least: http://www.whaleyland.com/downloads/gaulrules.pdf (http://www.whaleyland.com/downloads/gaulrules.pdf)
Cool idea. Your expansion would work well with Die Windrosen so players would know which way was South.
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I made an expansion a few years ago about the Franish reconquest of Gaul from the Moors. Check it out: http://carcassonnecentral.com/forum/index.php?topic=1116.0 (http://carcassonnecentral.com/forum/index.php?topic=1116.0).
Edit: Apparently I need to re-find the files. They are all linked to my old WorldofCatan site, which doesn't exist anymore. Here's the link to the rules, at least: http://www.whaleyland.com/downloads/gaulrules.pdf (http://www.whaleyland.com/downloads/gaulrules.pdf)
Cool idea. Your expansion would work well with Die Windrosen so players would know which way was South.
Until the blue Windrose appears and South moves :P
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Until the blue Windrose appears and South moves :P
With all of the crusading and pillaging, they may have lost their way a little bit.
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I made an expansion a few years ago about the Franish reconquest of Gaul from the Moors. Check it out: http://carcassonnecentral.com/forum/index.php?topic=1116.0 (http://carcassonnecentral.com/forum/index.php?topic=1116.0).
Edit: Apparently I need to re-find the files. They are all linked to my old WorldofCatan site, which doesn't exist anymore. Here's the link to the rules, at least: http://www.whaleyland.com/downloads/gaulrules.pdf (http://www.whaleyland.com/downloads/gaulrules.pdf)
Cool idea. Your expansion would work well with Die Windrosen so players would know which way was South.
Here are the missing files:
Starting Board Part 1 (http://www.whaleyland.com/downloads/gaul1.jpg)
Starting Board Part 2 (http://www.whaleyland.com/downloads/gaul2.jpg)
Battlefield tiles (http://www.whaleyland.com/downloads/battlefieldtiles.jpg)
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Just arrived! :)
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English rules (sorry for the poor quality, someone will scan a better version later I hope!)
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I don't like counting the tile multiple times, but other than that the rules seem ok.
Thanks for posting the pictures. My Kathedrals are hopefully crossing the Atlantic.
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I like them - the rules are straightforward and simple; but new for the game and the the slight tweak to roads are interesting, remembering each road segment scores isn't too fiddly and I think the points are necessary for making Bishops worth playing (eg: +3 or +4). Making the roads more valuable +2 is nice too as it makes trapping slightly less viable. I don't see it breaking space/time laws nor other expansions. The Watermarks are nice - Can't wait to get mine and give it a proper thumbs up
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Just arrived! :)
Wow, that was fast! They said 10-25 working days. Plus they emailed me yesterday to say my transfer hadn't arrived yet (even though I sent it on Monday night), so I'm pretty amazed that you have your copy already!
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I like these rules! Anything that makes roads more valuable is always good in my book, as I feel they get a bit overpowered by other features in the base rules. Looking forward to getting my copy :green-meeple:
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Funny how they try to distance themself from other combinations..
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Funny how they try to distance themself from other combinations..
HiG is learning - they know that the community will check out all the possible problems with using other expansions (especially like "the Plague" or the "Tunnels"...
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I dont see any problems with other expansions yet.
I wonder though. If 1 road is ending in a german castle and german kathedral will the bonus be +3 or +6?
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First game with German Cathedrals and Labyrinth tonight.
Labyrinth tile (only one: old style of course!) was drawn very late in the game so it didn't play a big role.
However we scored lots of points with roads connected to cathedrals (as expected). We claimed 1 cathedral each that we managed to complete, again scoring a fair amount of points.
Thought the rule to count the cathedral tile more than just once for scoring would be confusing but not at all. We both enjoyed the expansion.
Great to see an expansion that boosts the roads. I'd like to try it with Inns, must be brutal.
Final score:
Grabushka 167 - Jéré 153
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Thanks for the report! It sounds like a fun expansion.
But uggh, those fields on the cathedral tiles aren't even close to the normal colour. How can it be so hard to get this right?
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Wow those are very green!
Speaking from my limited personal experience in printing and printing tiles. Whenever i look at something on my computer screen and when I look at what comes out of the printer. I have no idea how different it will look and once some of the ink has started to run out, they look different again. But I'm not doing professional print runs for a boardgame, so it's a little different!
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I dont see any problems with other expansions yet.
I wonder though. If 1 road is ending in a german castle and german kathedral will the bonus be +3 or +6?
Plus three, I would imagine. The plus three from the Castles comes after calculation of the score from features like inns and mages, same as the plus three from the fairy or Darmstadt. The castle adds three points, not three extra tiles.
I can't wait to play this expansion! Anything that adds to roads is good by me. I love roads, I'm always trying to use them as I feel they get neglected. Couple this with inns and builders and it'll be unstoppable!
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Yeah i think i will like it too.
Profiles need to be updated.
- Kathedrals, Labyrinth
- CCII Abbey and dragon
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Yeah i think i will like it too.
Profiles need to be updated.
- Kathedrals, Labyrinth
- CCII Abbey and dragon
or better:
OLD ART STYLE: standard Carcassonne:
- Cathedrals in Germany
- Labyrinth
NEW ART STYLE: Carcassonne II - new Edition:
- Princess & Dragon
- Labyrinth
move this to:
SPIN-OFFS: Carcassonne: Winter Edition:
- Crop Circles - Winter Edition
SRBO,
I don't understand the Abbey ? What do you mean with that?
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Wasnt Abbey and Mayor also available?
Otherwise, my mistake:D
My German Kahedrals also came in. About the color: its slightly a little lighter then german Castles!
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Does anyone know how the ordering procedure works (for those in the US) at the "new" cundco.de website? I had trouble a few times before with this and seems to be happening again. I never had trouble with their older site. So I placed an order with them 5 days ago (Cathedrals in Germany and Dynasties game), and when I clicked on the "pay with PayPal" option, it would not let me do that (something about their website not being able to accept PayPal from other countries?). I changed my payment method to "bank transfer", and the order seemed to go through, but I have no idea how I am supposed to make the payment to them. I never received an order confirmation e-mail from them, and my e-mail to them has not been answered yet, after 5 days. This is frustrating, as I said I never had trouble with their older site. I KNOW it a small group of people handling a large amount of orders, but after over a year with their new site they should have this problem (and their communication) fixed.
Any suggestions about what their procedure is for getting a "bank transfer" payment to them?
thanks!
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On the old site I once did a bank tranfer and then paid my outstanding amount with PayPal. I think you should be able to do this including your order number and then email support to explain what you've done.
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Does anyone know how the ordering procedure works (for those in the US) at the "new" cundco.de website? I had trouble a few times before with this and seems to be happening again. I never had trouble with their older site. So I placed an order with them 5 days ago (Cathedrals in Germany and Dynasties game), and when I clicked on the "pay with PayPal" option, it would not let me do that (something about their website not being able to accept PayPal from other countries?). I changed my payment method to "bank transfer", and the order seemed to go through, but I have no idea how I am supposed to make the payment to them. I never received an order confirmation e-mail from them, and my e-mail to them has not been answered yet, after 5 days. This is frustrating, as I said I never had trouble with their older site. I KNOW it a small group of people handling a large amount of orders, but after over a year with their new site they should have this problem (and their communication) fixed.
Any suggestions about what their procedure is for getting a "bank transfer" payment to them?
thanks!
I am in the US and I was having the same problem with paypay on Cundco.de recently. I made several previous orders without a problem and then when I tried to make another one it kept rejecting my attempts to use paypal. I got very frustrated. So, what I ended up doing, which worked right away, was to create an entirely new Cundco account with a completely different e-mail address.
Once I created the new account with the new email address, the paypal worked right away. Don't use 'paypal checkout'. Just select paypal as payment method. I think to be safe I even waited to receive the order confirmation email and then I paid using the paypal link in the email.
Hope that helps. :green-meeple:
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So noticed something small in the English translation and wondered if it was the same in German. Specifically:
We are also aware that no cathedrals and archbishops exist in the Protestant Church.
I think it is true for the Lutheran Church: that there are no Archbishops and that pre-reformation Cathedrals informally have kept their old name, even though they are recognized as churches.
But this isn't true for the 'Protestant Church' in general, assuming such a thing exists - As an counter-example the 'Anglican Church' (CoE) has the infamous St Paul's Cathedral. The Archbishop of Canterbury is also the principal leader of the Church of England.
I suspect the term Protestant Church meant to include: 'in Germany' or was intended more specific about the religion it was describing.
On further investigation, only 2 buildings are Lutheran, the rest are Roman Catholic, specifically:
Ulm Minster - The church is not a cathedral as it has never been the seat of a bishop.
St Michael's Church - It was once a Cathedral before the reformation.
Here ends my history lesson :(y)
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I just checked Cundco but don't see these for sale. Where can I get them? Does anyone know if Cundco will have them in stock again soon?
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I just checked Cundco but don't see these for sale. Where can I get them? Does anyone know if Cundco will have them in stock again soon?
They'll be in stock again in October after Essen. This is what they have done for several years now - release a mini-expansion at Easter for two weeks only, then permanently in Oct.
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I just checked Cundco but don't see these for sale. Where can I get them? Does anyone know if Cundco will have them in stock again soon?
They'll be in stock again in October after Essen. This is what they have done for several years now - release a mini-expansion at Easter for two weeks only, then permanently in Oct.
Ah, so helpful. Good to know. Thanks jungleboy!