https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B87HIKt_PkmQYmlNdHFMU2JGNms/view Here are the german rules. It states "6 Doppel-Landschaftplättchen". Later simply called "Burgplättchen".https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B87HIKt_PkmQSTUtM2hzakNDNmc/view In english it's "double-sized Landscape Tiles". Later called "Castle tile".They're called double (sized) landscape tiles. Never are they called double tiles. There is no mention of 6 tiles consisting of 2 tiles. Just 6 bigger tiles.
If you consider the german castle two tiles played at once, there'd be the same problems, they would all just be resolved differently. More intuitive/easier to some people. And more difficult/unintuitive to other people, who think of the one double tile as one tile (which it physically is).
But if the German castle tile would be like as 2 tiles - there will be enormous problems.One example is the dragon or the flier, tower and so on.
Quote from: benbever on October 14, 2015, 07:36:11 AMIf you consider the german castle two tiles played at once, there'd be the same problems, they would all just be resolved differently. More intuitive/easier to some people. And more difficult/unintuitive to other people, who think of the one double tile as one tile (which it physically is).Yes, you're right. I was thinking about this as I wrote it but I couldn't express it the way you did. Having thought about it and read the other responses, I agree with you and Dan that the two-tile solution seems the most intuitive to me. In that case, if you claim a German Castle, you'd have to choose which side of the castle to claim for purposes of tower, dragon etc.
If you place a follower on the caste, with the "counts as 2 tiles" option, would it be on the left side, the right side, or "in the middle"? What if the dragon comes? What if the tower wants to take that follower?
If you make a road from the left half to the right of the castle tile -that would take at least two road tiles-, would that score 3 or 4 points?
With the Goldmines -place goldbars on orthogonal or diagonal tiles- can the castle receive two?
It would also make problems with windroses.
Personally I'm still more inclined to follow the 1 tile rule. It fits the castles theme better, and I don't like putting my follower on the left or right side, or in the unreachable-by-the-dragon middle. People who don't like it as 1 tile can just play with a "counts as 2 tiles" house rule without any real problems as far as I can see.
@Decar, Doppel literally means double.In The German rules they're (literally translated) called "6 double-landscape tiles" and "castle tiles". They're never called "doppel" (double) just double-landscape (double the landscape on one tile). It's never implied it's 2 tiles or should count as 2, rather the opposite.
Just like I said before. Double as in 2.
Quote from: benbever on October 14, 2015, 08:07:30 AM@Decar, Doppel literally means double.In The German rules they're (literally translated) called "6 double-landscape tiles" and "castle tiles". They're never called "doppel" (double) just double-landscape (double the landscape on one tile). It's never implied it's 2 tiles or should count as 2, rather the opposite.Quote from: Decar on October 14, 2015, 08:13:18 AMJust like I said before. Double as in 2.Guys, whether it's described as double or not doesn't matter. We are thinking more about the interaction between the German Castles and various other elements here in this thread than anyone else did before naming the tiles.
However, my argument is that whether you treat it as 1 or 2 tiles is critical to how the interactions between GCs and other expansions are handled.
4 points. Same as with school.
Quote from: benbever on October 14, 2015, 08:07:30 AMWith the Goldmines -place goldbars on orthogonal or diagonal tiles- can the castle receive two?Yes. Why shouldn't it?
I disagree with this, but recognise that this is just a personal preference. But how about the "counts as 2 tiles" rule be the official one as this is more consistent, logical and makes sense, others who prefer to treat it as 1 tile can house rule it as they wish?
QuoteQuote from: benbever on October 14, 2015, 08:07:30 AMIt would also make problems with windroses.Such as?If it's counted as 2 tiles, one of the tiles (half of the castle) might be or not be in the right north/south zone.
Quote from: benbever on October 14, 2015, 08:07:30 AMIt would also make problems with windroses.Such as?
Could you expand on this. I think this would work like the flyers and the Tower, when travelling lengthways it is considerd 1 tile. But if you are travelling widthways you consider it 2 tiles, so you can't hop across, unless you're a dragon.
So I have a question to you all - if you don't like that the dragon can eat all these meeple on the German castle tile - how many meeple can he eat?You have the opinion the German castle tile is like 2 tiles...And in this example he has only one step to go - the 6th one...---------------------------------------For me it is easy - the German castle is one landscape tile - the dragon has only one move / step left - the 6th one - he can eat all meeple on that tile = 5 meeple.
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