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Competition Rules Clarification: When is a U-turn not a U-turn?

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rfielder:
Before the next round of competition starts, I would like to ask for a clarification about the use of the River, or River II.

When playing against the AI, it did two left turns of the river with one tile inbetween.  This is not a true "U-turn", but it is very close.  Attached is a screen shot.

Elsewhere, I have seen different distances suggested, or even bans on U-turns.

The CAR, in footnote #36, is clear that U-Turns are forbidden.

What I would like to know is what rule will be applied for this competition?  How many tiles are needed between turns in the same direction?

Thank you.

Linkback: https://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=997.0

danisthirty:
@rfielder - my understanding of a U-turn is that it must be immediate. If there are one or more tiles between the the two turns (as per your example) then it is allowed.

Jéré:
You've missed the word "immediate".

From CAR: "Only immediate U-turns are explicitly forbidden"

rfielder:

--- Quote from: Jéré on August 27, 2014, 02:28:46 PM ---You've missed the word "immediate".

From CAR: "Only immediate U-turns are explicitly forbidden"

--- End quote ---
In other words, it only needs one tile between to stop it from being "immediate"?

I guess this means that farin has interpreted the rules correctly.  Personally, I would prefer two or three, but am glad to follow the rules.

Thanks!

danisthirty:
I think the reason that "immediate" u-turns are forbidden is that this could easily block certain tiles from being placed as it would need to join on more than one side (i.e. not just the where river meets river). This said, it's still perfectly possible that you could end up laying the river out into a loop without there being any immediate u-turns. This would well and truly mess things up!

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