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Title: Quizzes on WICA
Post by: NGC 54 on October 18, 2021, 04:06:16 PM
What about adding interactive quizzes on WICA at "Quizzes" page (https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Quizzes) or another page? This could be done using "Quizzes" extension of MediaWiki (https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Quiz).
Title: Re: Quizzes on WICA
Post by: Meepledrone on October 19, 2021, 12:55:19 PM
Looks cool!

I'll have a look. Thanks!
Title: Re: Quizzes on WICA
Post by: Bumsakalaka on October 20, 2021, 04:08:26 AM
Nice. Problem is, that it's very nice, for example Road from Summer 2019 - Road of Everything.
We know at least, that it will be +1 for double tile of German Castle for both Castles. and -1 for 2 Halflings with Fairy and Red. due to just one point per rectangle tile for road. Luckily Ringmaster is on simple road :D
Title: Re: Quizzes on WICA
Post by: Meepledrone on October 20, 2021, 04:21:14 AM
I have to revisit those questions questions involving Halflings (scorings and invalid barn positions - just pointing them out) and ringmasters on non-basic features mainly.
Title: Re: Quizzes on WICA
Post by: Bumsakalaka on October 20, 2021, 06:21:33 AM
I have to revisit those questions questions involving Halflings (scorings and invalid barn positions - just pointing them out) and ringmasters on non-basic features mainly.
I just want to imagine, what if Ringmaster is placed on Labyrinth tile? It's not basic game feature (of course road is, but labyrinth in advanced variant is not). Damm rule sensense
Title: Re: Quizzes on WICA
Post by: Meepledrone on October 20, 2021, 06:49:28 AM
If you apply the rules restriction affecting non-basic features strictly, a ringmaster on a Labyrinth should not be granted the bonus no matter what.
Title: Re: Quizzes on WICA
Post by: NGC 54 on October 20, 2021, 08:48:20 AM
If you apply the rules restriction affecting non-basic features strictly, a ringmaster on a Labyrinth should not be granted the bonus no matter what.

I do not agree. The labyrinth is only a road like that from Spiel 18 tile that also gives a bonus when playing with the advanced rules. With the basic rules, is only a road. When placing the ringmaster on the labyrinth tile (with the basic or advanced rules), you still place it on a road. You do not place on "labyrinth" feature, but on a "road" feature. There is no scorable feature named "labyrinth", but there is a scorable feature named "road". In the case of an abbey, you place the ringmaster on an "abbey", not on a "monastery", so...
But who knows what opinion does (not) HiG has.
Title: Re: Quizzes on WICA
Post by: Meepledrone on October 21, 2021, 03:04:48 AM
Well, after HiG telling us that a ringmaster placed as a monk on a German monastery replacing a normal monastery in the base game didn't grant the ringmaster bonus, it seems they were quite strict with the rules...
Title: Re: Quizzes on WICA
Post by: NGC 54 on October 21, 2021, 03:29:05 AM
Well, after HiG telling us that a ringmaster placed as a monk on a German monastery replacing a normal monastery in the base game didn't grant the ringmaster bonus, it seems they were quite strict with the rules...
When placed on the labyrinth tile, the ringmaster is placed on a road. When placed on a German monastery, the ringmaster is placed on a German monastery, not on a monastery.
Title: Re: Quizzes on WICA
Post by: Meepledrone on October 21, 2021, 08:48:34 AM
Placing a ringmaster as a highwayman on a labyrinth with basic rules doesn't feel the same as placing it as a monk on a German monastery?
Title: Re: Quizzes on WICA
Post by: NGC 54 on October 21, 2021, 08:54:08 AM
Placing a ringmaster as a highwayman on a labyrinth with basic rules doesn't feel the same as placing it as a monk on a German monastery?
HiG "knows".
Title: Re: Quizzes on WICA
Post by: Meepledrone on October 21, 2021, 01:26:49 PM
 :o
Title: Re: Quizzes on WICA
Post by: corinthiens13 on October 21, 2021, 01:54:34 PM
Placing a ringmaster as a highwayman on a labyrinth with basic rules doesn't feel the same as placing it as a monk on a German monastery?

I "feel" like Carcassonne93, the labyrinth is still a road. Placing the ringmaster on the labyrinth should keep the same rule as placing it on any of the four connected roads.
Title: Re: Quizzes on WICA
Post by: NGC 54 on October 21, 2021, 02:29:11 PM
Placing a ringmaster as a highwayman on a labyrinth with basic rules doesn't feel the same as placing it as a monk on a German monastery?

I "feel" like Carcassonne93, the labyrinth is still a road. Placing the ringmaster on the labyrinth should keep the same rule as placing it on any of the four connected roads.
Who knows, maybe HiG would agree, would not...
Title: Re: Quizzes on WICA
Post by: NGC 54 on February 01, 2022, 11:52:51 AM
Any updates?
Title: Re: Quizzes on WICA
Post by: Bumsakalaka on February 01, 2022, 03:54:47 PM
There will be. Currently are starting answering of mornethat 100 unsolved questions list made by @meepledrone with @kettlefish.
So it need to time to find answers which matches all written rules and match Carcassonne game mechanics and standards.
So I'm not happy with some results but when read conclusion fore some question I had to agree that it's correct.

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Title: Re: Quizzes on WICA
Post by: kettlefish on February 01, 2022, 04:20:39 PM
The labyrinth tiles are for a road. All meeple (also the ringmaster) are working as a highwayman. Score the only road which needs to be closed in all 4 directions.
Title: Re: Quizzes on WICA
Post by: NGC 54 on February 01, 2022, 05:11:22 PM
There will be. Currently are starting answering of mornethat 100 unsolved questions list made by @meepledrone with @kettlefish.
So it need to time to find answers which matches all written rules and match Carcassonne game mechanics and standards.
So I'm not happy with some results but when read conclusion fore some question I had to agree that it's correct.

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I asked about updates for MediaWiki Quiz extension (extension: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Quiz example: https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Help:Quiz) for https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Quizzes.
Title: Re: Quizzes on WICA
Post by: Meepledrone on February 02, 2022, 04:59:12 AM
Hi Carcassonne93!

We've been busy doing some other stuff and didn't have tile to look into this extension.

Thanks for the reminder! :(y) :(y)

Title: Re: Quizzes on WICA
Post by: NGC 54 on August 07, 2022, 12:32:04 PM
I do not want to be annoying, but any updates (again)?  :)
Title: Re: Quizzes on WICA
Post by: Meepledrone on August 08, 2022, 06:05:18 AM
Thanks for the reminder... I've been quite busy lately. :o
Title: Re: Quizzes on WICA
Post by: NGC 54 on September 30, 2022, 05:14:27 AM
This extension could be also used for putting the Sunday Quiz 2022 on WICA.
Title: Re: Quizzes on WICA
Post by: NGC 54 on December 01, 2022, 04:03:35 PM
@Meepledrone: I am allowed to upload the images (and later the text) from the quizes on WICA?
Title: Re: Quizzes on WICA
Post by: Sinscerly on December 05, 2022, 02:59:54 AM
What about adding interactive quizzes on WICA at "Quizzes" page (https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Quizzes) or another page? This could be done using "Quizzes" extension of MediaWiki (https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Quiz).

Hey, saw this post just now.

I do not think it adds any extra value to the wiki to have Quizzes that you can select an answer.

Just all the questions in one sector and then the answers after or something would do to.

But that's my honest opinion.  ^-^
Title: Re: Quizzes on WICA
Post by: Scott on December 05, 2022, 10:39:35 AM
I'm not sure what value quizzes would add to WICA even without being interactive.
Title: Re: Quizzes on WICA
Post by: Bumsakalaka on December 05, 2022, 10:57:58 AM
I'm not sure what value quizzes would add to WICA even without being interactive.
They can have informative value for anonymous visitors, which are not registered on CarcC. But maybe I will keep there just images, if @Meepledrone will agree.
Title: Re: Quizzes on WICA
Post by: Meepledrone on December 05, 2022, 01:55:59 PM
My idea so far is to keep an index of all the quizzes and their questions in case you want to explore particular interactions.

For me the value is that have direct access to plenty of them on the forum without reading through all the topics.

Keeping a duplicate of the quizzes on CarcC where you can pick one out of several answers may an addition but for me the value is going throught the answer and understand the logic behind the answer more than picking the right final value, that may be out of chance.

What do you think?
Title: Re: Quizzes on WICA
Post by: Bumsakalaka on December 06, 2022, 11:36:32 PM
It can be interesting to have some riddles also on rules pages. At least some sneak peak.
What about semantic wiki to show all related quizz questions on expansion page? Maybe as thumbnail with link to quizzes pages?

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Title: Re: Quizzes on WICA
Post by: Sinscerly on December 08, 2022, 12:54:29 AM
I'm not sure what value quizzes would add to WICA even without being interactive.

I really agree with Scott, they do not add value to the purpose of WICA as rule book.
Title: Re: Quizzes on WICA
Post by: NGC 54 on December 09, 2022, 02:19:06 PM
I'm not sure what value quizzes would add to WICA even without being interactive.

I really agree with Scott, they do not add value to the purpose of WICA as rule book.

https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Marcel_Gr%C3%B6ber or https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Timeline are not related to rules...
Title: Re: Quizzes on WICA
Post by: Sinscerly on December 10, 2022, 08:07:47 AM
I'm not sure what value quizzes would add to WICA even without being interactive.

I really agree with Scott, they do not add value to the purpose of WICA as rule book.

https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Marcel_Gr%C3%B6ber or https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Timeline are not related to rules...

To argue, the first is a person that has worked on the Carcassonne products, the timeline shows when what is published for the first time. Depends more than a quiz in my opinion, it's not that the quizes have been held by HiG or something a like. Although I admire the work Meepledrone (and others) has put in those quizes.
Title: Re: Quizzes on WICA
Post by: Meepledrone on December 10, 2022, 08:59:36 AM
It can be interesting to have some riddles also on rules pages. At least some sneak peak.
What about semantic wiki to show all related quizz questions on expansion page? Maybe as thumbnail with link to quizzes pages?

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Instead of asking about full solved quizzes, I would see mo evalue in tests about the rules.

As a said above, a quiz with this format feature a question and several possible answers but no explanation does help the participant to understand the inner logic of the answer, which is fully explained on the forum.

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[image witch scenario]

Pick an answer:
a) Red scores 20 points and Blue scors 15 points.
b) Red scores 17 points and Blue scors 8 points.
c) Red scores 15 points.
d) None of the above.

I would see more value in tricky questions about the rules:

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Question: Can a player deply a phantom after placing a tower floor.

Pick an answer:
a) No, a phantom can only be deployed as a second figure after a normal meeple.
b) Yes, a phantom can be deployed as a second figure after any wooden player figure.
c) Yes, a phantom can be deployed as a second figure always in 2. Placing a Meeple.
d) No, a phantom cannot de deployed as a second figure after a neutral figure or piece.

In this case we can provide feedback for all the answers as seen here:
https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Help:Quiz#Inserting_feedback (https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Help:Quiz#Inserting_feedback)