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Carc Central Community => News and Events => Topic started by: The-Edge on November 17, 2021, 12:02:08 AM
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Hey guys, my good friend Den Ozzy (he did heard it from Willem) just showed me something brand new.
Carcassonne basic game 3.0
https://www.spielzeugladen-neusser.de/carcassonne-neue-edition_2
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Hahaha same edition like 20th anniversary but without easter eggs, flags and glossy parts… Similar to C2 but different colors and more details on illustrations. Not soo diferent like C1vsC2.
Here this version many users start to called C2.2 but I have doubts about it when H&G added to her tile list… surely it will be C3 and they change the name version again…
The debate is open hahahaha
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With same river source as the new big box :yellow-meeple:
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at least won't need to buy a big box 7 to have that river source tile with road.
start to be a pain in the a** to cover everything, I start to understaand why people sell their old stuff.
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Hmm. I collected all of the 1st edition and ended up getting many of the same expansions for 2nd as due to the inclusion of garden they were functionally different. Hopefully, there won’t be anything in 3rd to make me want to buy all the expansions again.
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at least won't need to buy a big box 7 to have that river source tile with road.
start to be a pain in the a** to cover everything, I start to understaand why people sell their old stuff.
True. Even some people have left the game for this reason… sad but true…
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Wtf
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I guess every person on this forum is interested in Carcassonne in their own unique way, and finds pleasure in playing, or collecting, or talking about playing or whatever. That is great and how it should be.
I would not regard myself as a collector by nature. I got into this because I like playing it and enjoy the social interaction around the table. This is something that Carcassonne has reawakened from my childhood/ teen years. I would love this game to grow and continue to enrich the playing experience in a healthy, sustainable fashion.
New game content? Great. New content designed to work with the existing content? Better. It would show that the IP holders care about the game that they are curating and are responsible for.
Content from the past that is reskinned and reissued with the same omissions, incongruities and flaws? No thanks. Despite the prettiness of the new boxes and minor tweaks, this just feels like an attempt to take advantage of existing enthusiasm.
I start to understaand why people sell their old stuff.
I have gone the other way with this and have got rid of my fairly complete collection of C2. Now I am free to just concentrate on C1 and any bits of C2 or C3 or C4 or whatever next because I want to play with them rather than an implied need to complete what I do not have. If I don't want it, it is no longer relevant to me which is liberating.
But that's just me, and I can see why to others this is also an opportunity for new games, new artwork and continued excitement in building up the collection of Carcassonne that you want. Enjoy it how you like it, there is room for everyone and we all benefit for it.
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As a Carc collector myself, this is a bit disappointing. I carefully collected everything I could of C1 and in 2014 I thought I didn't need C2. Then expansions and mini expansions started to pour out so I finally gave up and started collecting C2 too. I'm not even done with C2 (still trying to get ahold of those elusive Spiel tiles) and now they release C3 with slightly different tiles? It's kinda exhausting being a Carcassonne fan these days. emoji code19]
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I think the dismay of long time C1 collectors was huge after 14 years when C2.0 was released. I don't know how many of them could move beyond the feeling of "betrayal" this change inspired. Many got unhooked due to the shock.
History is repeating itself 7 years later...
Ok. HiG, take my money and shut up! :o
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Carcassonne will be a classic beyond ages… like monopoly… imagine a monopoly collector… if you want to collect every carcassonne stuff you have to know that you will be all of your life hahaha
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I had somebody from HiG on the phone this week (there was something wrong with my order) so I asked about V3 ;D
The clerk did not know that there are base games sold in a new box. He did know about the new big box. He said there are "small changes in design" on the tiles in the new box, he even aknowledged the new river end tiles but "from his knowledge" this is not considered V3 internally in HiG...
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Let's see if in a couple of weeks or so we are out of the dark. ;D
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I do not think that this is C3. Just modified C2. Before passing to C3, HiG has to convert to C2 Wind Roses, The School, Wheel of Fortune, Besiegers, The Phantom and even The Catapult (improbabil), The Plague (improbabil), The Tunnel (improbabil), Little Buildings (improbabil), Darmstadt Promo (improbabil), Crop Circles I (improbabil) and Games Quarterly #11 (improbabil). Also, HiG has to launch the 7th expansion for C2.
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They will never fill the gap of the Exp. 7.
As to the other expansions, they can continue to convert them to C2/C3 at their own pace if they are interested... They may drop two of them per year. No rush. >:D
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but "from his knowledge" this is not considered V3 internally in HiG...
I mean, it isn't. This is still C2, just evolving further.
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Check the timeline on KJW's site (thanks @LaPorxada for the heads-up):
https://www.kjwrede.de/spiele/carcassonne-familie/ (https://www.kjwrede.de/spiele/carcassonne-familie/)
You'll see the new releases are v3.0 or III. The River in the Big Box has no suffix though.
As per KJW the rules have been revised... Let's see the outcome. ;D
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Check the timeline on KJW's site (thanks @DrMeeple for the heads-up):
https://www.kjwrede.de/spiele/carcassonne-familie/ (https://www.kjwrede.de/spiele/carcassonne-familie/)
You'll see the new releases are v3.0 or III. The River in the Big Box has no suffix though.
As per KJW the rules have been revised... Let's see the outcome. ;D
And than will be statement of HiG.
We want to thank our base of players which care about rules between expansions specialy for Meepledrone and we revisite rules and publish new 3.0 by his notes and unsolved questions.
PS: as I said, this is same approach as Paleo which has 3rd edition due to rules not due to design.
So maybe we can uses KJW numbering where CIII = C2.2
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Ha ha ha! HiG may use some of the questions I sent them as a challenge. They may only consider those affecting one major expansion only or the Big Box interactions, if they feel gracious... The rest will go to the digital recycler... ;)
Paleo v3.0 has also some graphical changes to make the game more inclusive. They didn't change the rules but they updated their layout and added some clarifications. HiG also maintains a FAQ doc along with the official rules. I could find the rules v3.0 online in German and Spanish at least... As you can imagine, the English rules available online are still v2.0 (thanks ZMG, again).
Post by HiG on their site about the release of Paleo v3.0 before receiving the KSdJ price:
https://www.hans-im-glueck.de/en/news/Paleo-V3en.html (https://www.hans-im-glueck.de/en/news/Paleo-V3en.html)
In the last version of Paleo, a lot of criticism reached us that the deck of cards did not show enough diversity among the people. We have taken your criticism to heart and are happy to announce that a new version of Paleo is coming with a deck of cards full of diverse people.
This is a purely visual change which has no relevance for the game.
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Pretty cool box! Thumbs down for the other changes, but the box looks awesome!
Some good samaritan to sell me the new empty box ;D
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And the postman keeps coming round! This one was a lot quicker than expected!
(https://i.ibb.co/R4ngKmm/20211218-093820-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/R4ngKmm)
The new German BB7, and the new C3 base game! Got extra copies for distribution here, but will be opening mine later today I'm sure.
Back of the box has minor updates:
(https://i.ibb.co/BjmFRpg/IMG-20211218-094145.jpg) (https://ibb.co/BjmFRpg)
Interestingly, the German BB7 has the same cover art as the French, not the corrected one. Maybe that will be for later printruns? (#Supa mega rar! :o)
Where did you find C3?
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It's available from a lot of European retailers now.
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It's available from a lot of European retailers now.
Such as? Thanks (just the base game).
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In France, Philibert which is owned by Asmodee, so it'll be at retail distribution. Googling "Carcassonne Big Box v3" can find you a few others. We ordered from FantasyWelt, in Germany. There are copies in Greece too. I'm going to split this and merge it with the thread around this specific topic.
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In France, Philibert which is owned by Asmodee, so it'll be at retail distribution. Googling "Carcassonne Big Box v3" can find you a few others. We ordered from FantasyWelt, in Germany. There are copies in Greece too. I'm going to split this and merge it with the thread around this specific topic.
Thanks. Ph was my first choice, but… no C3 base game there.
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I suspect a stealth deployment of the basegame, and given it's so close to Christmas, I'd not expect all shops to update. HiG don't want to cause any distress to people, the minor graphical enhancements arent enough to warrant a marketing drive like when the 2014 release was announced. We also know that WhiteGoblin will just update the existing expansions throughout the next year or so, without much fan fair.
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I ordered mine... before Willem.... from FantasyWelt. It shouls be here tomorrow by any luck. If you want some more pictures etc, let me know.
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Is there any difference in the tiles included in C3 base box respect to those included in the 20 anniversary edition box? (excluding the 20 anniversary exclusive tiles)
I mean, is there any new tile?
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The only difference I'm aware of is that the river start and end tiles are slightly different now, with a road and monastery respectively
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Every tile of the 20 anniversary edition has easter egg and/or additional decorative stuffs (flags, travelers...) and UV print (shiny features), all those are exclusive to the 20 anniversary edition.
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Better to compare this basegame with earlier base games. As corinthiens says, in the Carc20 box every tile has unique artwork.
The artwork has been updated to have Busy Cities, which means that the little buildings in the cities go across the edge of the tile. Depending on when you got the base game the shape of the tile has changed too.
There's not much reason to acquire the new v3 artwork if you already have it in v2. Unless you're an obsessive collector.... like most of us... but the box art alone is a good enough reason to have another copy!
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…but the box art alone is a good enough reason to have another copy!
This!
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I think it's easy to feel betrayed when stuff we already own gets reproduced in a slightly different way, but for as much as we might think we are, those of us who have been collecting for many years and who may even have resorted to selling old/ unwanted family members to help afford to stay "complete" are not the people HiG are targeting with these types of releases.
The box art that we've all grown to love has changed very little in the last two decades, which is amazing considering how much else has changed in an industry that already moves very quickly. HiG will be using this change as a way to target new gamers as, weird as it may sound, but there are still people who would consider themselves boardgamers and who haven't played/ don't already own Carcassonne! And if this design helps them to find new Carcassonne players and brings in enough money that they can continue to keep churning out new stuff for Carcassonne and paying their employees then I'm all for it... :)
I'm really looking forward to getting my hands on a copy of this, but I don't think people should feel pressured to throw their money at it if it's not something they actually want. My rule is that if owning the item will bring me more joy than owning the money it costs to get the item, then it's a worthwhile purchase!
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Carcassonne base game 2021/2022 box symmetry.
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Carcassonne base game 2021/2022 box symmetry.
Love it!! So satisfying!! emoji code7]
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Are you getting several copies to do the trick?
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Anyway @Meepledrone still wondering how to manage C3 on WiCa? MINDOK tells that BigBox 2021 is not new BigBox, that it's only reprint of 2017 version with updated graphics and with amazing rules :D
Devir said the same on their last DevirTV show on Youtube... They commented about it since there was a lot of hearsay on social networks about Carc and Big Box 3.0 :o... So these sets would be just released as updated new reprints... Nothing fancy ... No fuzz about it... And they would be followed by new reprints of the expansions following suit... There you go. >:D
Well then I have to give you another transcription of the Anniversary Life Event on Asmodee from 21.12.21. If I remember well, there Moritz Brunnhofer told everybody that they refer to it internally as V3 or V3.0. He did not say much more though, but you might be interested in what he said exactly... It only confirms what is written on HiG and KJW website: V3.0
Transcription will take some time because I dont remember at what time he said it and the event is 4h long...
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Well then I have to give you another transcription of the Anniversary Life Event on Asmodee from 21.12.21. If I remember well, there Moritz Brunnhofer told everybody that they refer to it internally as V3 or V3.0. He did not say much more though, but you might be interested in what he said exactly... It only confirms what is written on HiG and KJW website: V3.0
Transcription will take some time because I dont remember at what time he said it and the event is 4h long...
Unfortunately, this might not be possible because the video does not exist anymore.... :(
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It's a pity... :'(
At least we have the juicy excerpts you translated already. :(y) :(y)
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Hmm. All videos younger than 2 months are left. Hmm interesting.
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This is Moritz's doing... He doesn't want to leave any trace... >:D
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3.0.. oh dear guess i missed out on a lot :o
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It's not that simple...
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Asmodee Canada has shared an image of Carcassonne 3.0 today, which means we should start seeing it in North America distribution soon.
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