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Carc Central Community => Online Games and Competitions => Leagues (including expansion leagues) => Topic started by: danisthirty on January 23, 2017, 09:09:40 AM
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ROUND 1
Start date: Now! (23rd January 2017)
End date: 5th February 2017 - any matches not played by the end of this date will be forfeited... :( :(n)
(parent thread) (http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=3108.msg46053#msg46053)
Match 1: Rosco vs. glh510
Match 2: TheSteveAllen vs. Adrornalin
Match 3: maedac vs. MrNumbers
Match 4: Jéré vs. Merlin_89
Match 5: What If? vs. Chooselife
Match 6: Rich_The_Fish vs. Halfling
Match 7: khalidqasrawi vs. Hounk
Match 8: danisthirty vs. Leven
Please use this thread to post scores, screenshots and post-match reports. Good luck everyone!
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hi there,
the first game has been played. we are quite unsure if we have to play our re-match now or in a second half of the league season (in round 16)?! both variants would make sense.
greetz,
adror
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The idea is that you play both at the same time of possible. Ensuring both plauers have had the chance to start 1 gane each.
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hi there,
the first game has been played. we are quite unsure if we have to play our re-match now or in a second half of the league season (in round 16)?! both variants would make sense.
greetz,
adror
Hi Adrornalin - thanks for starting the league. Who was the startplayer in this game?
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aand the second game. Steve improved a lot, well done and congrats!
kettlefish, both games have been won by the starting player.
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Thanks for the games Adrornalin. I really enjoyed my 'maiden voyage'. I sincerely wish you the best of luck in your other games and, if you do not fare so well, come back and play me again! :-)
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I had my two games with khalidqasrawi tonight. In short, the majority of fans left the stadium disappointed. Both games were won by the visitor. :D
Game 1:
khalidqasrawi vs. Hounk
100:111
I won the battle for the first big city (32 points). Also khalidq took over the second one, which was even bigger, I secured the main farm, oddly enough by extending one of his roads by four points towards a cloister, and this was sufficient.
Game 2:
Hounk vs. khalidqasrawi
53:78
Although kq had an accident placing a robber as a useless farmer early on, he was so successful trapping my meeples, while I was not, this game soon went in his favour. I deployed my last meeple as a farmer too early, not able to prevent him from outwinning the farm and having no chance to score anything for the end of the game.
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WhatIf-ChooseLife 1-1
Balanced games, both won by the starting player.
In the first game CL locked two WI-meeples for a good 45 tiles or so which probably proved decisive.
(http://i66.tinypic.com/14bm3x3.png)
In the second game the same but in reverse. The large city ended a 3-3 tie. The 0p farmer in the SE would have won the game for CL, but alas!
(http://i63.tinypic.com/vcs8q9.png)
Second round, here we come!
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Hello,
Nice to read the reports and to see everyone enjoyed the games! But maybe a simple question: what' the app you're playing on and is it available on Apple as well?
I play the app "7 castles"...the tiles look the same but the meeples are different.
Also a delight to notice over here, people can handle being blocked in the game or cities, roads taken over by the opponent....something some people on "7 castles" can't handle and quit the game....
Anyway, may the best or luckiest one win and most of all...enjoy yourselves!
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We are usually playing on JCloisterZone, which runs on Mac, Linux and PC as it is written in java. Hope that you join us next time around!
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Nice to read the reports and to see everyone enjoyed the games! But maybe a simple question: what' the app you're playing on and is it available on Apple as well?
As TheSteveAllen says above, we use a free Java-based program called JCloisterZone which can be downloaded from http://jcloisterzone.com/en/ . It runs on anything that can run Java which appears to be most things and includes about 20 or so expansions as well as AI opponents who will play about half of those. I'd welcome the opportunity to give you a game some time! ;)
I play the app "7 castles"...the tiles look the same but the meeples are different.
Also a delight to notice over here, people can handle being blocked in the game or cities, roads taken over by the opponent....something some people on "7 castles" can't handle and quit the game....
I used to play 7 Castles on Facebook a lot several years ago. Before it was called 7 Castles it was called Carcassonne and was basically just an unlicensed rip-off of KJW's game including the exact same tiles, scoring mechanics and even the Inns & Cathedrals and River expansions! >:( I think the guy has changed it quite a lot since then so that his theft isn't quite so blatant but unless you were prepared to wait for a free slot on the server and play a "mini game" (36 tiles) you had to pay a certain number of credits per game which soon added up after you'd played a thousand or so games. I bet he made a fair few quid out of that one...
Looking back at it now, some of the arguments I had with people were hilarious: "I hope you realise you've just trapped one of your own men?" "Yes. But I've also trapped 3 of yours and 2 of them won't be worth anything at the end of the game..." >:D I reacted badly a couple of times too though, and even posted on here about it once or twice. Does Nelleke Belleke still play 100 times as many games as everyone else? He/ she was always the person to beat when I was there, but I only had the chance to play him/ her a couple of times.
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Thanks and congratulations to those who have played their Round 1 matches already; I'm in awe of your enthusiasm and commitment and very much enjoyed reading the match reports and reliving some of that excitement!
My match with the awesome (and terrifying) Leven :violet-meeple: is scheduled for Friday evening. Please let me know by posting here if anybody else has anything in the diary, otherwise I'll be chasing you all next week! ;)
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Hi Dan,
Just installed Cloisterzone. Looks great! And way more expansions to play with! There goes the 7 Castles... :yellow-meeple:
I guess Nelleke Belleke has found other things to do or changed her name because i never saw that name on my screen...I guess, I'm next
And about your challenge to a game...I'd like that a lot although I can not guarantee i will not trap one or several of your meeples... ;)
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And about your challenge to a game...I'd like that a lot although I can not guarantee i will not trap one or several of your meeples... ;)
The only drawback to JCloisterZone compared to 7 Castles is that there are/ were almost always people waiting for a game on 7 Castles whereas the JCZ online server lobby is usually empty. Fortunately however, you can usually find someone here who is free for a game just by posting a request in the PLAY ME NOW! (http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=2109) topic or dropping into the online chatroom (http://sydby.com/carcassonne/irc/index.html) and seeing if anyone else is around.
With regards to our game: bring it on! >:D (drop me a PM to let me know when you're free to play and we'll arrange something)
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Thanks and congratulations to those who have played their Round 1 matches already; I'm in awe of your enthusiasm and commitment and very much enjoyed reading the match reports and reliving some of that excitement!
My match with the awesome (and terrifying) Leven :violet-meeple: is scheduled for Friday evening. Please let me know by posting here if anybody else has anything in the diary, otherwise I'll be chasing you all next week! ;)
I'm looking forward to playing some Carcassonne (it's been a while), thanks for setting up the tournament and good luck with your match. I think Halfling and I are playing tomorrow night too.
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Just played my first match which was an interesting one against a new player for me.
GLH510 started the first game which was going well and we were both fairly evenly matched. In the end it was down to a couple of tiles, if I had got them I would have won, but I didnt so I didnt win!
GLH510 has the screen shots for this one.
After this game, I stormed off in a huff as I lost, but I was quickly reminded that we had a second game to play so i re-logged on to play our second game.
Thisone started well for me and I had the upper hand with several nice features starting, however, GLH510 then played a move I just didnt see coming which I should have which trapped 4 of my meeples with 48 tiles remaining. Game over for me at that point or so I thought...
I figured I may as well make it as difficult as possible for GLH510 even though I knew I had no chance of winning. As the tiles were coming up in GLH510s favour it was getting to be a very painful game to play. But suddenly I notice I wasnt out of the running, and I had a chance, albeit a very slim one. I pulled out all the stops with my final 10 tiles or so and as the last tile was played, I thought it would be close. It couldnt have been closer!!!!
Thanks for thefrustrating games!
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As Rosco already wrote. Both games are a bit unusual . First game with a good start from Rosco. He was 20 points ahead in between. Then i managed to get all but one cloister and the main farm. Here i had again all the tiles Rosco needed :(y)
Second game with a good start to block him 4 (and one of mine ) meeples. But then main mistake :-( I got the RRFF tile to connect me again to the 18 point farm and i missed it. I calculated and was 1 point ahead with only 1 tile for Rosco and no meeple free on his side. But then he got a city tile with a pennant ...
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glh510 is a very good player, prior to joining this league he had lost only once against Leven. He was undefeated during the Group stage of the World Cup in 2015. :(y)
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glh510 is a very good player, prior to joining this league he had lost only once against Leven. He was undefeated during the Group stage of the World Cup in 2015. :(y)
He can't be that good; he lost a game to Rosco! >:D #allaboutthesmacktalk
DISCLAIMER: The writer of the comment above reserves the right to retract it and pretend he'd never made it in the event of his inevitable thrashing at the hands of glh510
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Haha Dan. Forewarned is forearmed!
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My forearms have been warned and are at the ready! O0
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Dan and I have just played our first match of the league.
I managed to win both games but I have to admit that Dan was quite unlucky this time.
:violet-meeple: Leven vs :blue-meeple: danisthirty 107:104
:blue-meeple: danisthirty vs :violet-meeple: Leven 87:114
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I have to say well played to Leven. He was focussed and totally in control of both games.
The first game was much more enjoyable as it was close throughout. Both of the fffr cloisters came very late in the game and I had an ideal place to put one of them for 9 easy points. This would have been bad for Leven as it would have given the farm away, but fortunately for him he drew both of the remaining cloisters and used them elsewhere. I still managed to win the farm by connecting my farmers in a different way, and had some luck here drawing the tile I needed to join him as my last of the game. Leven had stolen my other farm though, and combined with the points he took for the final cloister I ended up 3 points behind.
The second game was a lot worse. Leven controlled it well, and despite my best efforts to trap his meeples or otherwise make life difficult for him he always managed to elude me. The most frustrating thing about this game was that I spent most of it with 2 meeples stuck in a small city waiting to be closed but I simply couldn't draw a tile to close it even though there were plenty left in the deck! This became even more frustrating when I made the questionable decision to place my last meeple and lost all scoring potential after that. Then I had about 10 tiles in a row that I couldn't use in any constructive (or deatructive) way while Leven continued to make progress with 1 or 2 meeples in hand! Eventually I closed my city for 14 points but I was so far behind by this point that my only hope of winning would have been to have won the main farm outright. I might have done this if I'f drawn the final rrrf tile but this went to Leven and naturally he used it elsewhere. It wouldn't be right to blame this loss on the tiles as Leven was by far the stronger player and deserved the win, but I think his win margin might have been smaller if we'd swapped tiles halfway through the game!
Good luck with the rest of the league my friend :) :(y)
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3 matches left to go and here's how the league table is looking so far:
| Position | Player | League Points | PD |
| 1 | Leven 8) | 2 | 30 |
| 2 | Adror | 1 | 38 |
| 3 | glh510 | 1 | 15 |
| 4 | khalidqasrawi | 1 | 14 |
| 5 | What If? | 1 | 8 |
| 6 | Chooselife | 1 | -8 |
| 7 | Hounk | 1 | -14 |
| 8 | Rosco | 1 | -15 |
| 9 | TheSteveAllen | 1 | -38 |
| 10 | danisthirty :'( | 0 | -30 |
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My games vs. Merlin_89 are scheduled for tomorrow.
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Halfling and I are playing on Wed.
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As for my comeback... I hoped Carcassonne is like riding on bicycle - you don't forget, but nevertheless I was a little afraid. And games against Jéré were tough!
Game No1 92 Merlin_89 Jéré 90
Game No2 111 Merlin_89 Jéré 112
Those two couldn't be closer, right?
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Wow these games were tough! :o Basically, in the first game Merlin started and won with the last tile, then I was the starting player in the second game and also won the game with the last tile.
I didn't want to give Merlin extra motivation but, due to Leven winning his 2 games, he had to also win both games to keep the first rank of the Elo ratings: They were tie at 1437! After our games, Merlin lost 7 pts and is now at 1430. The confrontation between the two will be interesting. :(y)
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Oh and as a general note for everybody: I would like to ask all participants to (please! O:-) ) try their best to post the results of their 2 games in order they were played because it does make a difference for Elo calculation. Maybe just make it clear (eg. "This is Game #1 and that is Game #2") would be sufficient.
Many thanks in advance! :(y)
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Good point Jéré :(y)
Perhaps it would be worth taking this opportunity to point out what Elo is to those who might not be as familiar with it? You could link back to our most recent rankings too?
Really impressed to see that 6 of 8 matches took place in the first week of round 1, and it sounds like another is scheduled for a couple of days time. I will send PMs about the final match just to make sure everything it still going according to plan for the others involved... C:-)
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I didn't want to give Merlin extra motivation but, due to Leven winning his 2 games, he had to also win both games to keep the first rank of the Elo ratings: They were tie at 1437! After our games, Merlin lost 7 pts and is now at 1430.
Wow, I wasn't aware that it can happen so early in this league. If I'm not mistaken Merlin_89 was in the 1st position for the whole 2016, but by missing the World Cup at the end of the year he gave others (especially the winner) the chance to narrow the gap.
And Jéré, did you and khalid also swap positions on 3rd-4th place?
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Good point Jéré :(y)
Perhaps it would be worth taking this opportunity to point out what Elo is to those who might not be as familiar with it? You could link back to our most recent rankings too?
I wanted to create a dedicated thread a long time ago. Here it is, finally! (http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=3129.msg46332#msg46332) <-- Click here.
I didn't want to give Merlin extra motivation but, due to Leven winning his 2 games, he had to also win both games to keep the first rank of the Elo ratings: They were tie at 1437! After our games, Merlin lost 7 pts and is now at 1430.
Wow, I wasn't aware that it can happen so early in this league. If I'm not mistaken Merlin_89 was in the 1st position for the whole 2016, but by missing the World Cup at the end of the year he gave others (especially the winner) the chance to narrow the gap.
And Jéré, did you and khalid also swap positions on 3rd-4th place?
Yeah, there is a bit of action going on in the background. For a reason that I explain here (http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=3129.msg46332#msg46332), it is not possible to keep track of all the variations of Elo scores. But when there is something that appears to be interesting enough (like a new leader), I try to mention it!
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And Jéré, did you and khalid also swap positions on 3rd-4th place?
Yes, I just checked! I'm now 3rd. I will post the ratings after each round so it's coming soon.
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MrNumbers vs. Marcos (maedac)
Game 1 - 138:65
Game 2 - 119:70
Thanks for the games, Marcos! My opponent has interesting style of game: I could not guess his next move most of the times, he has different thinking (in a good way). If the first game was mostly peaceful, except farm battle, the second game was all about follower trapping. Golden rule of Carcassonne - if you are short in followers - you score less - you have smaller probability to win.
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Thanks for the update MrNumbers, and welcome to the tournament Marcos (maedac); now that you've played MrNumbers you can pretty much relax for the rest of the league! ;) :(y)
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Rich_The_Fish v Halfling
Game 1: 117 :red-meeple: v 111 :yellow-meeple:
A very close game, which was nip and tuck the whole time. For the first game, we randomised the start order and Halfling ended up going first. Within a few tiles, he had 2 meeples in cloisters, a farmer and a thief, whilst I managed to grab a quick city using the start tile and small circular road. I gambled and started farming rather heavily to combat Halflings first farmer but got a little carried away and had 5 farmers despite there being about 25 tiles left! Halfling managed to glom into a virtually complete city in the centre of the game, which earned us both 18 points. I was unsuccessful in muscling in to share his road which ran east and then turned north starting and ending at 2 cloisters, as this was terminated with a T junction. I was fortunate to trap a couple of his meeples (the thief was purely by accident as I was focused on completing the city). The battle for overall control of the farm intensified, with Halfling carefully placing farmers to the west which he was able to merge into the main field. In what turned out to be a futile attempt so late in the game, I tried to get a sixth farmer in to get the majority but was unable to do so leaving 5 farmers each. Thanks for the enjoyable game and agreeing to write up the second match.
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Halfling vs Rich_The_Fish - Game 2
:yellow-meeple: Halfling 111
:red-meeple: Rich_The_Fish 75
Pleased to gain a draw after losing the first match. Trapping 5 meeples at the top was the key to the win. Pinching the farm gave the win gloss that was perhaps undeserved.
Round 1 finished with 4 days to spare.
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Thanks for the update MrNumbers, and welcome to the tournament Marcos (maedac); now that you've played MrNumbers you can pretty much relax for the rest of the league! ;) :(y)
Good to hear that!, although too much relaxing will not quite help during the upcoming games.
May the best men win!
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Wow. Congratulations everyone, and thanks for getting all these games played so quickly! 8)
Here's a recap of how the league table is looking at the end of Round 1:
(http://www.dan.tehill.net/round1_results.jpg)
Without further ado, it's on to Round 2 (http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=3142.msg46422#msg46422)...
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I published the new Elo ratings here (http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=3129.msg46426#msg46426). We have a new leader! :(y)
Interesting thing to note: As usual, points one gets are taken from the other player but the format of this league forces the player that has higher Elo to win both games to increase his score! This spices things up in my opinion.
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Not sure if it's right and I'm seeing wrong, but please report the games result with the player starting the game first, even if he is the one losing.
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Interesting thing to note: As usual, points one gets are taken from the other player but the format of this league forces the player that has higher Elo to win both games to increase his score! This spices things up in my opinion.
I sense an unofficial nickname coming on: The Vindaloo League! ;) :(y)
Not sure if it's right and I'm seeing wrong, but please report the games result with the player starting the game first, even if he is the one losing.
Yes, this would be helpful, although if I get the order of the games played the wrong way round in the database it doesn't matter too much for the score calculation. The most important thing is that the start player for each game is mentioned in the write-up. Although, as long as game screenshots include the status bar on the right side of the screen (where it shows scores and meeples/ wood in hand) then I can see for myself as the starting player is always the player at the top here...
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Not sure if it's right and I'm seeing wrong, but please report the games result with the player starting the game first, even if he is the one losing.
Yes, this would be helpful, although if I get the order of the games played the wrong way round in the database it doesn't matter too much for the score calculation. The most important thing is that the start player for each game is mentioned in the write-up. Although, as long as game screenshots include the status bar on the right side of the screen (where it shows scores and meeples/ wood in hand) then I can see for myself as the starting player is always the player at the top here...
Yes, the info is there. Either in the write-up or the order of the players in the screen capture (right-hand side).
Starting player has won 62,5% of the games (10 out of 16). Let's see if this trend continues in the next rounds.
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Starting player has won 62,5% of the games (10 out of 16). Let's see if this trend continues in the next rounds.
Shhh! :-X You're stealing my thunder!
Ahem.
62.5% of games were won by the starting player (37.5% of games were won by the player who went 2nd).
A total of 3148 total points were scored across all 16 games.
Also, see attached (it's purple! :violet-meeple:)...