Two castles close to each other: what happens in this case?

[Vital Pluymers]

I don't understand what you mean by "in case of a conflict".
Each castle owner chooses the points he would like to score for his castle. How can there ever be a conflict?

[Meepledrone]

Two players may not choose the points they would want to score that freely if their castles must score the same points if their owners are not interested in scoring the same number of points (when they have multiple options to choose from).

[Vital Pluymers]

Castles "must" not score the same number of points. Each castle owner can choose the points he wants to take.

[Meepledrone]

If they are mutually dependent, they score the same points as indicated in the rules:

* Two or more incomplete castles may be standing next to each other. If one of them scores points, it will be considered as a completed feature for the adjacent castles. All the castle owners receive the same number of points. 

[Vital Pluymers]

No, I don't agree. You are wrongly interpreting a conclusion of a single example as a rule that would be valid in all circumstances. That is what co-member Bagge also tried to explain and I fully support his interpretation.

The example is only explaining that a scoring castle A located in the fief of castle B is triggering also the scoring of castle B. So, in a case that castle B is not triggered by others scoring events, the conclusion is correct and both castles score the same.

However, in another scenario in which castle B would simultanuously be triggered by other scoring events as well, it is not obligatory that both castles score the same. Both castle owners can choose which points they would like to score.

You are treating a conclusion of one example as a rule valid for all cases, but that is not what is intended here.

[NGC 54]

Is HiG willing to help us to convert this {{IconWorld}} footnote (https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Bridges,_Castles_and_Bazaars#cite_note-20) into an {{IconBook}} footnote?

[Meepledrone]

In this case, both players must score the same points for the castles:



This is clear in the rules.

This is not the case for all neigboring castles, like in the case below, where Yellow can choose to score for one of the roads or Blue's castle, but Blue can only choose one of the roads. In this case, each castle can score independently, since there is no mutual dependency .

[Bumsakalaka]

Haha, JCZ used as images Cool

[joe_abbot]

I found this discussion, I hope you can help me. I recreated a game scenario:



Green is fields, grey is city. Orange is castles, from expansion 8. Stars are meeples on a castle. Circles are normal meeples. Red places the tile at the bottom, closing the city. How many points for each player (red and blue)? We calculated 66 for red and 44 for blue but we're not sure if the two castles on the right interact in some other ways. Thanks.

[Meepledrone]

Hi @joe_abbot !!!

Welcome to the forum!!!

The city is worth 22 points (11 tiles x 2 points)

The completion of the city triggers the scoring of the three castles, but Blue's castle on the right will also trigger the scoring of Red's castle on the right too. This tuns out irrelevant, since the city is the only feature being completed affecting the castles directly and indirectly (through another castle), so all of them will score the same points.

Therefore, as you said:
- Blue will score 44 points (22 points for the city + 22 points for the castle)
- Red will score 66 points (22 points for the city + 22 points for the castle on the left + 22 points for the castle on the right)

[joe_abbot]

Thank you. So, just to be sure, the two scenarios in this pic produce exactly the same amount of points (66 vs 44)?

[Meepledrone]

Yes, the scoring is the same in both scenarios. In Scenario B, Red's castle on the right triggers the scoring of the Blue's castle and the outcome is the same.

EDIT: Ooops! Wrong answer... See below.

[Bumsakalaka]

Yes, the scoring is the same in both scenarios. In Scenario B, Red's castle on the right triggers the scoring of the Blue's castle and the outcome is the same.

I don't agree.
In scenario B where blue castle is on right, this blue castle will not be scored. Because in its vicinity is NONE feature!

Blue castle will be scored only in scenario A and there is up to players, if they'll score red castle or city, because both features are in vicinity of blue castle.

[Meepledrone]

Yes, the scoring is the same in both scenarios. In Scenario B, Red's castle on the right triggers the scoring of the Blue's castle and the outcome is the same.

I don't agree.
In scenario B where blue castle is on right, this blue castle will not be scored. Because in its vicinity is NONE feature!

Blue castle will be scored only in scenario A and there is up to players, if they'll score red castle or city, because both features are in vicinity of blue castle.

Oops! Sorry, I got the position of th castles wrong. You are right.

Red's castle on the right cannot trigger the scoring of Blue's castle. The former is not overlapping the fief of the latter.
It is the other way round: Blue's castle is the one overlapping th fief of Red's castle.

So for Scenario B:
- Blue will score 22 points for the city
- Red will score 66 points (22 points for the city + 22 points for the castle on the left + 22 points for the castle on the right)

[joe_abbot]

I don't understand. Why don't the two castles overlap? Aren't the tiles marked in yellow shared between the red and blue castles on the right?