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Крепость - An unlicensed variant/spin-off
« on: June 25, 2022, 06:52:39 AM »
Hi all, in the past weeks, I have been checking deep into the Cyrillic side of Carcassonne, and I wanted to share with you something interesting. An unlicensed variant/spin-off of Carcassonne in Ukraine.

LaPorxada found multiple editions of Ukrainian versions of the game. All of them are notoriously unlicensed, but they follow the path of the Iranian version I posted some months ago. I mean, they do not use any HiG material; they change the title and some names to fit better into their cultural context.

However, this post is not about those versions. They are cool, but most are off print years ago. This post is about one edition that does not include meeple nor scoreboard, but instead contains a 10x8 blue grid and new mechanics.



LaPorxada and I were chatting about it, translating the rules, and checking some details, and I found it interesting; it is more like a competitive puzzle. Maybe there are some similar variants in the forum (I did not find any).
 
The name of this edition is a generic name shared by all other Ukrainian unlicensed editions, Крепость.




Rules
The game goes as follows (remember, no meeples are involved):
1. First player draw the first tile (no starter tile, apparently) and puts it in any square of the blue grid.
2. By turns, each player draws a tile and puts the tile in the blue grid. I believe that after the first tile, players must place the tile adjacent to an existing tile in the good Carcassonne way.
3. If the tile cannot be deployed, the player puts it into their reserve and draw another tile. This step must be repeated up to two more times (three tiles max per turn). The active player passes if none of the three tiles can be placed.
4. At the end of the game, the player with fewer tiles in their hand (or reserve) is the winner. In the case of a tie, a minor break match is played, but using a 6x5 grid space.

Things to take into consideration:
1. There are four new wild tiles (big coat of arms tiles); they can fit without following the rules of edges-matching (kind of like the Abbey)
2. Cities must not finish on the edge of the grid (opposite of Carcassonne maps).
3. Tile distribution is quite different compared with the Base game + River. But still, it is playable as a variant.

TileКрепостьBase+river
cccc11
cccf34
cccr53
ccff-J75
ccrr55
ccss21
cfcf-J23
cfcf-S33
cfff65
cfrr43
crfr13
crrf33
crrr23
fffr22
fffs22
ffrr89
ffss22
frfr68
frrr44
fsfs12
wild44 (Abbey tiles)
rrrr11
rsrs41
rrss21
Total8078

This game was produced and distributed by local companies; there are some traces of it on the Internet.


Let me know if some of you are fluent in Ukrainian to double-check the rules, or if some of you have more info about this.

Best,

 :red-meeple:


Linkback: https://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=5987.0
« Last Edit: June 25, 2022, 08:32:12 AM by carlium »

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Re: Крепость - An unlicensed variant/spin-off
« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2022, 07:18:46 AM »
Very interesting, thanks for sharing!

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Re: Крепость - An unlicensed variant/spin-off
« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2022, 08:05:46 AM »
Oooooh! Looks nice!
Questions about rules? Check WICA: wikicarpedia.com

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Re: Крепость - An unlicensed variant/spin-off
« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2022, 08:09:18 AM »
[mention]Willem [/mention] needs one


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Re: Крепость - An unlicensed variant/spin-off
« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2022, 08:10:11 AM »
So weird @Scott doesn't.  >:D

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Re: Крепость - An unlicensed variant/spin-off
« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2022, 08:10:50 AM »
Who said I didn’t?


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Re: Крепость - An unlicensed variant/spin-off
« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2022, 08:49:24 AM »
Ehrrr!!! Was I thinking out loud?

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Re: Крепость - An unlicensed variant/spin-off
« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2022, 09:27:08 AM »
Of course I need one!
Just need to find it hahaha
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Re: Крепость - An unlicensed variant/spin-off
« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2022, 01:07:10 PM »
Of course I've been scouring the Internet looking for this and can't find it.

@carlium I'd like to see the Ukrainian rules if possible, with the intention of running them through DeepL. Are they in a format that is conducive to copy-pasting?

Official Carc tiles are 45mm square, so an 8x10 grid would be 360x450mm not including the border. Based on the image of the board, the border should be 10mm, for a total size of 380x470mm (15x18.5 inches). ArtsCow has 16x24" neoprene mats for $20 (before shipping).

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Re: Крепость - An unlicensed variant/spin-off
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Re: Крепость - An unlicensed variant/spin-off
« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2022, 04:24:05 PM »
@carlium
Thanks for your post.
However, I would find it better if such posts were only visible to logged in members (that's why I told you about it in private chat, with my newer username LaPorxada).
I'll try to explain the reason:
In the last few years I noticed that whenever we fans were excited about, for example, the Russian promos and where you could get them, or even the Iranian first edition.....there was some crazy expensive offer on BGG (russ promos), Ebay (Iranian first edition) or even right here (Russian promos again) pretty quickly after that.
So we could keep our interest in rare, or freaky Carcassonian games that interest us a little bit to ourselves and help each other, but just maybe a little bit more private - but is just my opinion and I salute your post about this interesting edition of course anyway.

If you are interested in other Ukrainian editions from another manufacturer, feel free to write me or I can post the other editions here as well, if the post is only for registered users.

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I'm looking for:
● Carcassonne shopdisplays (esp.dicegame.+ Minis ger.)
● Carcassonne Στα Κάστρα του Μυστρά (2002) Greek first edition
● Carcassonne - chinese Sur knight kings editions
● ETCOC / WTCOC 2020 commemorative tiles
& more -> https://pasteboard.co/zHfmMKlpRExL.jpg

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Re: Крепость - An unlicensed variant/spin-off
« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2022, 05:51:01 PM »
I've edited the rules for grammar and consistency with Wikicarpedia. I'm going to put together an 8x10 playmat a well, and then I'll share everything in the download area.
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Re: Крепость - An unlicensed variant/spin-off
« Reply #12 on: June 25, 2022, 06:42:01 PM »
Hey @Scott have you thought about tiles distribution? I was a little lazy and just picked Base + River and 4 abbeys and done.

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Re: Крепость - An unlicensed variant/spin-off
« Reply #13 on: June 25, 2022, 06:48:15 PM »
Hey @Scott have you thought about tiles distribution? I was a little lazy and just picked Base + River and 4 abbeys and done.

That works for me. I'm not worried about matching the tile distribution exactly.
72 + 12 = 84 + 4 abbey tiles = 88

Here's a preview of the playmat.


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Re: Крепость - An unlicensed variant/spin-off
« Reply #14 on: June 25, 2022, 07:26:38 PM »
Rules available here: https://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=667

The download page has a link to the playmat.


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