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Re: Mists over Carcassonne
« Reply #180 on: September 14, 2022, 11:12:01 AM »
Some times agou I was making research about all known edges.
Final number was bigger, then count of letters in alphabet.
https://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=5287

It has to be updated and include new two Mist edges :D
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Re: Mists over Carcassonne
« Reply #181 on: September 14, 2022, 01:10:18 PM »
No, it is S for Stream (since R is used for Roads)
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Re: Mists over Carcassonne
« Reply #182 on: September 14, 2022, 02:45:19 PM »
Isn't I already used for rIver?
No rivers are marked by an 'S' ("Streams")

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Re: Mists over Carcassonne
« Reply #183 on: September 14, 2022, 03:40:45 PM »
The Tile Reference uses the following letters so far:

* C: City
* R: Road
* F: Field
* S: River (Stream)
* G: City Gate

Another possible option is to use lowercase letter for the misty edges:

* f: Misty field
* r: Misty road

This could affect the game notation though.

Yet another option: underscored letters:

* F: Misty field
* R: Misty road

This last option seems interesting to me...
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Re: Mists over Carcassonne
« Reply #184 on: September 14, 2022, 09:53:52 PM »
Well. Underscored letter are badly readable:)
So maybe Rm and Fm are not bad. Because it cover R-Rm and F-Fm edges placement


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Re: Mists over Carcassonne
« Reply #185 on: September 15, 2022, 04:30:39 AM »
For what it's worth, I really don't think using styles or Two letters are good ideas, for different reasons:
  • Using styles (e.g. underlined or bold letters) is bad for readability and it's not accessible. Even on Wikipedia they're removing informations displayed with styles because it's really not that good*. Also, while using the Tile Selector tool, I use Ctrl+F to go directly to the configuration I'm looking for. If I search for "CCFF" on Chrome I want to see tiles with two city parts and two field parts, not something else.
  • Using more than a letter (e.g. Mf or Mr) there's the risk of turning some tile configuration into a guitar Tab (MfMfFR)
Using lowercase letter would bring issue #1 out again.

In my humble and personal opinion it's better to use one uppercase letter for the new types. I'm aware the types are way more than 26 if we take fan expansions into consideration but don't have to take fan expansions into consideration: the Tile Reference tool only considers official releases.

Another possible solution is NOT TO ADD any new letter and keep using F and R, considering misty fields and misty roads as fields and roads that only happen to be foggy

*For example, for tables referring to F1 races standings, in the past they used bold to indicate the driver got pole position and italic to indicate the driver got fastest lap of the race. So a driver getting both and winning the race was marked as 1. This was a nightmare for readability and accessibility and now they do this: 1PF. This solution is not loved by many and I would not follow the same philosofy  :)
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Re: Mists over Carcassonne
« Reply #186 on: September 17, 2022, 09:56:38 AM »
shadow and mist played as an extension with the base game + abbot

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Re: Mists over Carcassonne
« Reply #187 on: September 17, 2022, 02:06:51 PM »
Looks great, @oldbonz !

Was it fun? ;)

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Re: Mists over Carcassonne
« Reply #188 on: September 17, 2022, 02:12:01 PM »
For what it's worth, I really don't think using styles or Two letters are good ideas, for different reasons:
  • Using styles (e.g. underlined or bold letters) is bad for readability and it's not accessible. Even on Wikipedia they're removing informations displayed with styles because it's really not that good*. Also, while using the Tile Selector tool, I use Ctrl+F to go directly to the configuration I'm looking for. If I search for "CCFF" on Chrome I want to see tiles with two city parts and two field parts, not something else.
  • Using more than a letter (e.g. Mf or Mr) there's the risk of turning some tile configuration into a guitar Tab (MfMfFR)
Using lowercase letter would bring issue #1 out again.

In my humble and personal opinion it's better to use one uppercase letter for the new types. I'm aware the types are way more than 26 if we take fan expansions into consideration but don't have to take fan expansions into consideration: the Tile Reference tool only considers official releases.

Another possible solution is NOT TO ADD any new letter and keep using F and R, considering misty fields and misty roads as fields and roads that only happen to be foggy

*For example, for tables referring to F1 races standings, in the past they used bold to indicate the driver got pole position and italic to indicate the driver got fastest lap of the race. So a driver getting both and winning the race was marked as 1. This was a nightmare for readability and accessibility and now they do this: 1PF. This solution is not loved by many and I would not follow the same philosofy  :)


Hmmm! Ignoring the mist on field and road edges doesn't sound too bad for the Tile Reference... It is more a game contraint than an actual placement constraint (completable mists vs. uncompletable ones).

Thanks for the suggestion!!! :(y) :(y)


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Re: Mists over Carcassonne
« Reply #189 on: September 17, 2022, 10:25:06 PM »
Looks great, @oldbonz !

Was it fun? ;)

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Re: Mists over Carcassonne
« Reply #190 on: September 18, 2022, 10:38:05 AM »
If anyone is interested in the tile distribution of Mists over Carcassonne/Exp. 11, you may find it here:

https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Mists_over_Carcassonne#Tile_reference

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Re: Mists over Carcassonne
« Reply #191 on: September 18, 2022, 11:46:28 AM »
If anyone is interested in the tile distribution of Mists over Carcassonne/Exp. 11, you may find it here:

https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Mists_over_Carcassonne#Tile_reference
Beautiful tiles. They would be even more beautiful - allow me to say it - in the simple C1/C2 style rathen than that fever nightmare that's C3  ;D

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Re: Mists over Carcassonne
« Reply #192 on: September 18, 2022, 12:48:53 PM »
I find that the CI style is much more relaxing and less garish than CII and CIII ^-^

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Re: Mists over Carcassonne
« Reply #193 on: September 18, 2022, 01:12:21 PM »
Again not well made distribution. There are two cards CRFF (CRFM) but none of CFFR


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Re: Mists over Carcassonne
« Reply #194 on: September 18, 2022, 01:17:23 PM »
Again not well made distribution. There are two cards CRFF (CRFM) but none of CFFR

I think for coop it will have not fealeble impact


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