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Only Wagon scored with Barger-Surgeon what happens?
« on: January 17, 2022, 01:45:17 AM »
What happens where play Barber-Surgeon and Wagon and only wagon scores.


By me, Trap is stronger than wagon move phase, so Wagon is trapped in empty Bathhouse.


But who knows? Is there any meeple trapped when scored? I suppose just Solovei Razboynik situations described on last clarification.

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Re: Only Wagon scored with Barger-Surgeon what happens?
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2022, 01:51:52 AM »
2nd question:

What happens when play Barber-Surgeons and Count of Carcassonne and scored only one opponent's meeple. Is that meeple trapped and send to empty bathhouse or sent to City of Carcassonne?

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Re: Only Wagon scored with Barger-Surgeon what happens?
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2022, 05:11:37 AM »
What happens where play Barber-Surgeon and Wagon and only wagon scores.

By me, Trap is stronger than wagon move phase, so Wagon is trapped in empty Bathhouse.

But who knows? Is there any meeple trapped when scored? I suppose just Solovei Razboynik situations described on last clarification.

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1) If a wagon is alone in a feature and scores, it will go to an empty bathhouse, if available. If you cannot remove it, you should be able to move it. Trapping should be more powerful that moving in this case.

2nd question:

What happens when play Barber-Surgeons and Count of Carcassonne and scored only one opponent's meeple. Is that meeple trapped and send to empty bathhouse or sent to City of Carcassonne?

2) If an opponent scores thanks to your tile placement, if the scoring involved only one of their meeples, that meeple should go to an emply bathhouse, if any available. Besides, you will be allowed to send a meeple to Carcassonne...

The actions are not incompatible but they affect different players. Either you score (an send a meeple to a batthouse as a side effect) or you do not score and send a meeple to Carcassonne.
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Re: Only Wagon scored with Barger-Surgeon what happens?
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2022, 12:52:37 PM »
2) If an opponent scores thanks to your tile placement, if the scoring involved only one of their meeples, that meeple should go to an emply bathhouse, if any available. Besides, you will be allowed to send a meeple to Carcassone...

The actions are not incompatible but they affect different players. Either you score (an send a meeple to a bathhouse as a side effect) or you do not score and send a meeple to Carcassonne.

Ok. So it's important that also feature can be finished with only one meeple, but if player decide to move it to City of Carcassonne, then it is not affected by Barber-Surgeon trap, because meeple is not scoring. So then Bathhouses "to trap or not to trap" is considered after moving meeples to City of Carcassonne. Right? Which means, that correct order of score feature - decide of conversion small city to castle - move wagon - move meeples to CoC or Leiping - Trap only one scoring meeple.
Are move wagon and move meeples to CoC/Leipzig in correct order?

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Re: Only Wagon scored with Barger-Surgeon what happens?
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2022, 02:14:34 PM »
2) If an opponent scores thanks to your tile placement, if the scoring involved only one of their meeples, that meeple should go to an emply bathhouse, if any available. Besides, you will be allowed to send a meeple to Carcassone...

The actions are not incompatible but they affect different players. Either you score (an send a meeple to a bathhouse as a side effect) or you do not score and send a meeple to Carcassonne.

Ok. So it's important that also feature can be finished with only one meeple, but if player decide to move it to City of Carcassonne, then it is not affected by Barber-Surgeon trap, because meeple is not scoring.

Correct.

So then Bathhouses "to trap or not to trap" is considered after moving meeples to City of Carcassonne. Right?

Bathhouses "to trap or not to trap" decision is made per scoring... remember the active player has the last word deciding the order of scoring so the first player(s) scoring features with one meeple may occupy any empty bathhouses left.

Sending a meeple to Carcassonne will be decided after the scoring is completed, because the active player may not receive any points during the whole scoring to be able to send a one meeple.

Which means, that correct order of score feature - decide of conversion small city to castle - move wagon - move meeples to CoC or Leiping - Trap only one scoring meeple.
Are move wagon and move meeples to CoC/Leipzig in correct order?

If you split the loop in the turn sequence into 3, you get the following:
- Loop 0: Build castles
  - Small cities --> castles (They do not participate in the scoring)
- Loop 1: Evaluate features
  - Deploy meeples from Carcassonne to features
  - Evaluate features + bonuses (conditioned by majority and meeples sent to Leipzig)
- Loop 2: Score features
  - Score points following the selected scoring order (decided by players taking into account robber/teacher and final word by active player if bathhouses are involved).
  - Send meeples to Leipzig (no scoring)
  - Send meeple to bathhouse, if applicable (1-meeple scorings)
  - Move wagons, if applicable
  - Remove other meeples
- Epilog:
  - Score big top
  - If active player does not score (optional): Send meeple to Carcassone and, if desired, move Count

Note 1: Loop0 and Loop1 could be the same. I kept them separate for the sake of clarity.

Hope this helps.

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Re: Only Wagon scored with Barger-Surgeon what happens?
« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2022, 03:00:22 PM »
Ok. What about only one Mayor scoring city with zero shields or Mayhor scoring castle.
It's score is 0 but. Does they score and this score = 0 is consider to trap in bathouse. I thing its same if Mayor scores 0 and other player scores at least one point - can be mayor send to city of Carcassonne?

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Re: Only Wagon scored with Barger-Surgeon what happens?
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2022, 05:54:32 AM »
A mayor in a city with no coats of arms or in a castle will score no points for the feature when completed. So it should not go to a bathhouse if it scores no points.

As you mention, a mayor scoring no points for a city when other players score points for it or other features would grant the mayor's owner to send a meeple to Carcassonne. It may be the mayor (since it will returned to the player) or any othe meeple from the player's supply.

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Re: Only Wagon scored with Barger-Surgeon what happens?
« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2022, 08:37:15 AM »
Ok. Just for proof. So when happens scoring of Cult / Monastery challenge. One meeple scores and one not (basic example when not both finished feature in same tile when placed last tile). Meeple which scores goes to Bathhouse (if not finished also other feature).
Is it right?

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Re: Only Wagon scored with Barger-Surgeon what happens?
« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2022, 11:47:08 AM »
Yep! The meeple winning the challenge will go to an empty bathhouse to pay for his sin of pride.

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Re: Only Wagon scored with Barger-Surgeon what happens?
« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2022, 01:08:10 PM »
Yep! The meeple winning the challenge will go to an empty bathhouse to pay for his sin of pride.
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Re: Only Wagon scored with Barger-Surgeon what happens?
« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2022, 01:16:19 PM »
Yep! The meeple winning the challenge will go to an empty bathhouse to pay for his sin of pride.

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Re: Only Wagon scored with Barger-Surgeon what happens?
« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2022, 01:30:20 PM »
Thanks guys! ;D

I just hope the winning monk or heretic sent to a bathhouse has a brighter future than brother Berengar in The Name of the Rose... :o

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Re: Only Wagon scored with Barger-Surgeon what happens?
« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2022, 03:04:32 PM »
Thanks guys! ;D

I just hope the winning monk or heretic sent to a bathhouse has a brighter future than brother Berengar in The Name of the Rose... :o
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