In Q12Quote* The Wainwrights quarter bonus, since Red can score the bonus right away in the same turn he sends a meeple to Wainwrights quarter in Leipzig. So Red will score 5 points for this bonus (5 tiles x 1 point per tile).why?
* The Wainwrights quarter bonus, since Red can score the bonus right away in the same turn he sends a meeple to Wainwrights quarter in Leipzig. So Red will score 5 points for this bonus (5 tiles x 1 point per tile).
If you send a meeple into the Wainwrights Quarter you will get the bonus points (see below) immediately.
Quote from: carlium on December 30, 2020, 08:47:45 AMIn Q12Quote* The Wainwrights quarter bonus, since Red can score the bonus right away in the same turn he sends a meeple to Wainwrights quarter in Leipzig. So Red will score 5 points for this bonus (5 tiles x 1 point per tile).why? There is a phrase in WICA that explains it but it is poorly explained since it can give rise to two interpretations in the context of the previous sentence ... But I no longer say anything because I'm tired ...Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
Quote from: carlium on December 30, 2020, 08:47:45 AMIn Q12Quote* The Wainwrights quarter bonus, since Red can score the bonus right away in the same turn he sends a meeple to Wainwrights quarter in Leipzig. So Red will score 5 points for this bonus (5 tiles x 1 point per tile).why? This is a tricky thing in the rules: QuoteIf you send a meeple into the Wainwrights Quarter you will get the bonus points (see below) immediately.Check the last sentence in first bullet after the example where a meeple is sent to Leipzig...https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Markets_of_Leipzig
Quote from: Meepledrone on December 30, 2020, 08:58:53 AMQuote from: carlium on December 30, 2020, 08:47:45 AMIn Q12Quote* The Wainwrights quarter bonus, since Red can score the bonus right away in the same turn he sends a meeple to Wainwrights quarter in Leipzig. So Red will score 5 points for this bonus (5 tiles x 1 point per tile).why? This is a tricky thing in the rules: QuoteIf you send a meeple into the Wainwrights Quarter you will get the bonus points (see below) immediately.Check the last sentence in first bullet after the example where a meeple is sent to Leipzig...https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Markets_of_LeipzigDon't be cheat Meepledrone. The context says‘If you have more than one meeple on the road you are allowed to send one of them to Leipzig. With the other(s) you can, however, score the points for the road [4]. If you send a meeple into the Wainwrights Quarter you will get the bonus points (see below) immediately.’Therefore if you write one sentence followed by the other in that context you are talking about the case of more than 1 meeple on a road and that you place one in Leipzig. If what you want to say is that THAT ALWAYS HAPPENS and not only with the example of more than one meeple, you have to put the phrase apart at another point to differentiate it. Not point and followed ... Because it can lead to misinterpretation... Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
[...]Quote from: Just a Bill on October 05, 2017, 08:39:21 AMSchickst du dabei den Meeple ins Wagner-Viertel bekommst du gleich die Extra-Punkte (siehe unten).If you send the meeple to the Wagonmaker district you get the bonus points (see below).This does not say "you get the bonus points if you still have a thief on the road," just that you simply get the bonus points. So it would seem that when you have only one thief on a completed road, and that thief is in the majority, and you send him to the Wagonmaker district, you score zero baseline points for the road (per one rule) but you still get 1 bonus point for each segment since you went to Wagonmaker (per this other rule).Personal commentary: This inconsistency is more jarring to me than the other ones, probably because it is so subtle and easy to miss. And it leads to another question...[...]
Schickst du dabei den Meeple ins Wagner-Viertel bekommst du gleich die Extra-Punkte (siehe unten).If you send the meeple to the Wagonmaker district you get the bonus points (see below).
In this case, if you send a meeple into the Wainwrights Quarter you will get the bonus points (see below) immediately.
If you then send a meeple into the Wainwrights Quarter you will get the bonus points (see below) immediately.
Quote from: DrMeeple on December 30, 2020, 09:09:01 AMQuote from: Meepledrone on December 30, 2020, 08:58:53 AMQuote from: carlium on December 30, 2020, 08:47:45 AMIn Q12Quote* The Wainwrights quarter bonus, since Red can score the bonus right away in the same turn he sends a meeple to Wainwrights quarter in Leipzig. So Red will score 5 points for this bonus (5 tiles x 1 point per tile).why? This is a tricky thing in the rules: QuoteIf you send a meeple into the Wainwrights Quarter you will get the bonus points (see below) immediately.Check the last sentence in first bullet after the example where a meeple is sent to Leipzig...https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Markets_of_LeipzigDon't be cheat Meepledrone. The context says‘If you have more than one meeple on the road you are allowed to send one of them to Leipzig. With the other(s) you can, however, score the points for the road [4]. If you send a meeple into the Wainwrights Quarter you will get the bonus points (see below) immediately.’Therefore if you write one sentence followed by the other in that context you are talking about the case of more than 1 meeple on a road and that you place one in Leipzig. If what you want to say is that THAT ALWAYS HAPPENS and not only with the example of more than one meeple, you have to put the phrase apart at another point to differentiate it. Not point and followed ... Because it can lead to misinterpretation... Sent from my iPad using TapatalkWell, I'm not making up anything here... Check the analysis by people before me. I give you this is a particular tricky point that caught my eye when I read this post a couple of years ago:Quote from: Just a Bill on November 06, 2017, 09:06:30 AM[...]Quote from: Just a Bill on October 05, 2017, 08:39:21 AMSchickst du dabei den Meeple ins Wagner-Viertel bekommst du gleich die Extra-Punkte (siehe unten).If you send the meeple to the Wagonmaker district you get the bonus points (see below).This does not say "you get the bonus points if you still have a thief on the road," just that you simply get the bonus points. So it would seem that when you have only one thief on a completed road, and that thief is in the majority, and you send him to the Wagonmaker district, you score zero baseline points for the road (per one rule) but you still get 1 bonus point for each segment since you went to Wagonmaker (per this other rule).Personal commentary: This inconsistency is more jarring to me than the other ones, probably because it is so subtle and easy to miss. And it leads to another question...[...]The analysis delves into all the inconsistencies and open issues based on the German rules. I agree with Just a Bill here in that you would get the bonus even if you don't score points for the road. So this paragraph would mean: if you send a meeple to Leipzig from a road with more than one meeple, you do score the road. No matter the case, you will get the Wainwrights quarter bonus is you meeple is sent to that quarter.In order to connect the immediate bonus to having several meeples on the road when sending one to Leipzig, they should have emphasized some how: QuoteIn this case, if you send a meeple into the Wainwrights Quarter you will get the bonus points (see below) immediately. or:QuoteIf you then send a meeple into the Wainwrights Quarter you will get the bonus points (see below) immediately.
Quote from: carlium on December 30, 2020, 09:02:03 AMWainwrights quarter is overpowered I thought that case only applied when you had two meeples. Thanks for the info Meepledrone!Quote from: DrMeeple on December 30, 2020, 09:09:01 AMQuote from: Meepledrone on December 30, 2020, 08:58:53 AMQuote from: carlium on December 30, 2020, 08:47:45 AMIn Q12Quote* The Wainwrights quarter bonus, since Red can score the bonus right away in the same turn he sends a meeple to Wainwrights quarter in Leipzig. So Red will score 5 points for this bonus (5 tiles x 1 point per tile).why? This is a tricky thing in the rules: QuoteIf you send a meeple into the Wainwrights Quarter you will get the bonus points (see below) immediately.Check the last sentence in first bullet after the example where a meeple is sent to Leipzig...https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Markets_of_LeipzigDon't be cheat Meepledrone. The context says‘If you have more than one meeple on the road you are allowed to send one of them to Leipzig. With the other(s) you can, however, score the points for the road [4]. If you send a meeple into the Wainwrights Quarter you will get the bonus points (see below) immediately.’Therefore if you write one sentence followed by the other in that context you are talking about the case of more than 1 meeple on a road and that you place one in Leipzig. If what you want to say is that THAT ALWAYS HAPPENS and not only with the example of more than one meeple, you have to put the phrase apart at another point to differentiate it. Not point and followed ... Because it can lead to misinterpretation... Sent from my iPad using TapatalkI think that both of you are right. I think the impression made in me by that post (the one I referenced above) made me interpret the rules in a wrong way. Thank you for pointing out the issue. As per the arrangement of the text, the sentence I quoted has to be considered only if you have more than one meeple on a road and you send one of them to Leipzig. I will have to reevaluate Q12 accordingly. Sorry for the inconvenience.
Wainwrights quarter is overpowered I thought that case only applied when you had two meeples. Thanks for the info Meepledrone!
Quote from: Meepledrone on December 30, 2020, 03:56:04 PMQuote from: carlium on December 30, 2020, 09:02:03 AMWainwrights quarter is overpowered I thought that case only applied when you had two meeples. Thanks for the info Meepledrone!Quote from: DrMeeple on December 30, 2020, 09:09:01 AMQuote from: Meepledrone on December 30, 2020, 08:58:53 AMQuote from: carlium on December 30, 2020, 08:47:45 AMIn Q12Quote* The Wainwrights quarter bonus, since Red can score the bonus right away in the same turn he sends a meeple to Wainwrights quarter in Leipzig. So Red will score 5 points for this bonus (5 tiles x 1 point per tile).why? This is a tricky thing in the rules: QuoteIf you send a meeple into the Wainwrights Quarter you will get the bonus points (see below) immediately.Check the last sentence in first bullet after the example where a meeple is sent to Leipzig...https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Markets_of_LeipzigDon't be cheat Meepledrone. The context says‘If you have more than one meeple on the road you are allowed to send one of them to Leipzig. With the other(s) you can, however, score the points for the road [4]. If you send a meeple into the Wainwrights Quarter you will get the bonus points (see below) immediately.’Therefore if you write one sentence followed by the other in that context you are talking about the case of more than 1 meeple on a road and that you place one in Leipzig. If what you want to say is that THAT ALWAYS HAPPENS and not only with the example of more than one meeple, you have to put the phrase apart at another point to differentiate it. Not point and followed ... Because it can lead to misinterpretation... Sent from my iPad using TapatalkI think that both of you are right. I think the impression made in me by that post (the one I referenced above) made me interpret the rules in a wrong way. Thank you for pointing out the issue. As per the arrangement of the text, the sentence I quoted has to be considered only if you have more than one meeple on a road and you send one of them to Leipzig. I will have to reevaluate Q12 accordingly. Sorry for the inconvenience.I don't think the rules in WICA are misinterpreted. The original rules are indeed poorly written, but I think your first interpretation was correct.At page 3 of the original rules is written in the section 'Scoring during the game':For each road which is scored with your majority you get 1 bonus point per tile.Bei jeder Straßenwertung, bei der du die Mehrheit besitzt, bekommst du 1 Punkt zusätzlich für jedes Straßenplättchen.The majority is calculated before meeples are sent to Leipzig, so it would be logical that you also get the points immediately after sending your one and only meeple to the Wainwrights quarter. Majority is majority, whether you had one or more meeples on the road before sending one to Leipzig.
* Hast du mehrere Meeple auf einer Straße, darfst du nur einen davon nach Leipzig schicken. Für den anderen Meeple darfst du aber die Punkte für die Straße nehmen. Schickst du dabei den Meeple ins Wagner-Viertel bekommst du gleich die Extra-Punkte (siehe unten).
If you have more than one meeple on the road you are allowed to send only ONE of them to Leipzig. For the other(s) you may, however, score the points for the road. If you send a meeple into the wainwrights quarter you will get the bonus points (see below) immediately.
This means two things:* General rule: the bonuses provided by Leipzig are not applicable the same turn you send a meeple to Leipzig* One exception: when you send a meeple to the Wainwrights quarter from a road with more than one meeple. In this case you can score the road and receive bonus on the same turn you send your meeple to Leipzig.
QuoteThis means two things:* General rule: the bonuses provided by Leipzig are not applicable the same turn you send a meeple to Leipzig* One exception: when you send a meeple to the Wainwrights quarter from a road with more than one meeple. In this case you can score the road and receive bonus on the same turn you send your meeple to Leipzig.That means that if that red meeple would has been a blue meeple and it would has been send to Bookbinders (not Wainwrights; imagine that Bookbinders is occupied only by Yellow), and the monastery would has been scored after road (in the same turn), blue should receive 9 points (not 9 points and 4 points)?
Also, I do not understand why if a Leipzig road is completed with 2 red meeples, 1 of them is send to Wainwrights, and Red would score the road and receive the Wainwrights bonus. After scoring (with Red' majority) the Leipzig road applying the Wainwrights, in the same turn, Red scores another road, but Red does not receive the Wainwrights bonus for this road. What is the rationality?
* If you have more than one meeple on the road you are allowed to send one of them to Leipzig. With the other(s) you can, however, score the points for the road. If you send a meeple into the Wainwrights Quarter you will get the bonus points (see below) immediately.
The issue here is that the rules are written in a way that the Waiwrights quarter bonus is an exception to the general rule. that is, it is the only bonus that can be scored immediately as indicated explicitly. In my previous undestanding of the rules all the bonuses could be applied immediately.[...] In this case, you place a meeple in Leipzig so you can receive a bonus later (with one exception). I general, there are very few mechanics in Carcassonne that provide an instant reward
I can understand that maybe they didn't analyze the rules deeply enough to see that you could complete a road to Leipzig and additional features and that you could send meeples to Leipzig affecting them in the same turn.
'This means two things:* General rule: the bonuses provided by Leipzig are not applicable the same turn you send a meeple to Leipzig* One exception: when you send a meeple to the Wainwrights quarter from a road with more than one meeple. In this case you can score the road and receive bonus on the same turn you send your meeple to Leipzig.'Glad to read how It grows contradiction only with one paragraph...
I thought that the paragraph of wainwrights quarter was a mistake of wica.. If the paragraph is a portion of official rules then the doubts are over... The context is on two meeples case, end of discussion. I don't understand why all this complication and confusion... O.o
'General rule: the bonuses provided by Leipzig are not applicable the same turn you send a meeple to Leipzig'No sense if you apply the bonuses on the same turn... You must to sacrifice something... If not, no difference about playing with leipzig or not...Enviado desde St. Meeple Hospital
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