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« on: July 11, 2022, 07:15:55 AM »
Wife and I finished first game with official rules last night:  The game is elegant and beautiful and quite a lot of fun. Think Carcassonne without meeples! Simple summary: - Players maintain a hand of 2 double-sided tiles and take turns placing a tile. Some tiles allow a player to take 2 turns (like the builder) or "steal" a tile from their opponent's hand.
- Players score 1-point/tile when their type of area (Land or Sea) is completed.
- The player who completes an area scores 1-point for each "X" in the area. (Like trade goods except immediate points.)
- The Sea player scores 1-point per connected coral tile when either player places a tile with a coral edge that joins another coral edge. Land scores for connected mountain tiles.
There are also optional rules for Ship/Caravan and Waypoints, but we didn't use these. Interestingly, when these rules are omitted, the final board position contains all the information to determine the score [Edit: this is wrong; see reply]! Tile Description & DistributionThere are 60 double-sided tiles in the box, with 58 tiles placed in two stacks for "drafting" into the players' hands. You can see the top side of tiles in both stacks when drafting, so you have partial information. Players must keep their tiles in front of them with that side face-up, but they may look at the back side. The two non-drafted tiles are: - Start Tile: this is a LLLSSS tile on both sides. I thought it would have been more clever to put a LSLSLS tile on the reverse side, to allow a choice of beginning conditions, particularly because there is no LSLSLS tile in the game!
- Vortex/Volcano Tile: this is the only LLLLLL/SSSSSS tile in the game and it is placed automatically any time a player creates the corresponding hole. I thought this was clever and novel and might be an interesting Carcassonne variant, perhaps with the Cathedral and a RRRR cloister.
There are 14 ways to place two edge types on a hexagonal tile. Here is the distribution, showing both sides of the tiles, as well as the total number of each of the 14 combinations. The non-drafting tiles are omitted, so there are a total of 116 = 2*58 combinations:  I made this figure before playing the game, hoping to get some insight. But it turns out that it didn't seem to matter very much during play. You have four tile sides to choose from on most turns, and my crude "probability of getting a matching tile" analysis showed that the odds are generally very good, so having the right tile is not nearly as important and exciting in this game as it is in a typical Carcassonne game. At least as far as I can tell so far [Edit: this is misleading; see reply] Notes on 2-Player Game Play- Upon reading the rules, I really disliked the two-tile hand. Experience with Carcassonne suggested that this could slow the game terribly, particularly with a few members of my extended family with whom I might try to play the game. I also just thought it was inelegant and unnecessary. I was wrong. I discovered through self-play testing that without the two-tile hand, areas are too difficult to close and the game devolves to a battle to close one huge area. So, we played official rules, as noted above. It turns out that often having the tile you want actually allows play to move plenty fast.
- The "X" rule is great. You can often complete an opponent's small area to minimize a loss, or even score a small win, because some tiles have 2 or 3 X's on them. Note that 5X's represents a 10-point swing in relative score.
- Although the Coral/Mountain rule is optional, it is really essential. Building a Reef/Range really racks up points: in the game shown above, Sea scores 2+3+4+5+6+7+8=35 points total for the 8-tile Reef, while Land scores 2+3=5 several times for Ranges. The threat of a massive scoring run should compel an opponent to block a growing Reef/Range, leaving a player time to complete a large open area, particularly if they get a "Play Again" tile.
This last point and many others are in an amazing post on BGG, by someone who is somehow associated with the game. In addition to a nice summary of tactics and strategy, the post says that a strategy book is in development as well. Multi-Player VariantsI haven't tried the asymmetric 3-player game yet, nor the 4-player team version. Since I strongly prefer to play Carcassonne as a multi-player game, I'm really interested to see how this goes. I know a lot of folks on the Forum prefer Carcassonne as a 2-player game, and I think many of you would really enjoy Land vs. Sea as well.
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« on: June 20, 2022, 10:14:18 AM »
First time to play since our game in Scotland, this time we were scattered around the US, so we used Zoom plus my playingcards.io gameroom again. Usual 61-tile Old-City variant. Here is the landscape before final scoring:  Final Score (proportional farm points): Blue 84, Black 82, Yellow 62, Red 56.
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« on: June 06, 2022, 10:24:40 AM »
In late May, my family travelled to the highlands of Scotland. It was the first time the four of us were together in 2022 and our first time in this lovely part of the world. While we were in Oban, we made time for one game of Carcassonne, with 73 tiles and some variation of my old city rules. Lots of fun, and not just because of the wonderful local whisky.   
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« on: April 23, 2022, 10:27:19 AM »
First the online venue: I know a lot of people play at various sites that "know the rules" of Carcassonne, but we prefer to use playingcards.io. This is an interesting free site that lets you host a great variety of games and you can totally customize the setup! So, I made a "deck of cards" that is Carcassonne tiles, and then added a "board" that is just an 11x11 grid and some pawns to represent meeples. The site knows nothing about the rules of the game and this is perfect for us, because we play house rules! You also need your own chat or video: we use Zoom. You can check out the setup we played today: https://playingcards.io/ccasmg. That link will expire if no one uses it for 30 days, in which case you can use the toolbox menu on the site to import this configuration file. It includes all of the tiles from the base game, I&C, T&B, K&S, plus a couple others. You can use the toolbox to set how many of each type of tile you want in the game. It is really quite nice! The interface has been improved so you could replace the pawns with images of meeples, and make other things fancier, but we just want the great gameplay. Now the game: Had a great game with my family today: kids joined from Virginia and Houston. My wife prefers a small game, so we used a mix of 60, with 5 regular meeples and 1 Large meeple per player. House rules: proportional scoring for farms and the Cathedral city, plus one bridge and one gate/wall. Here's the end of the game, before final scoring. Yellow ended up winning by just 2 over Black and 4 over Red, with Blue a not too distant last place. 
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« on: April 02, 2022, 07:39:48 AM »
 ( High-Resolution Version) I’ve been playing with this mix of tiles and I think it gives a very balanced game. I thought it might be fun just to see the tiles sorted by edge combinations, so here it is. The 176 tiles + start tile is in line with @Christopher’s 2016 definition of a “normal large game”. We often play with a timer, taking 2 more turns when time is up, rather than going through the whole tower (which these tiles nicely fill). Because of the large number of tiles and inclusion of at least 2 of all edge types, it is a bit as if the tiles are drawn from an infinite supply with some statistical distribution, so counting is pretty unimportant, which is good for our group. Anyway, here is the list of tiles: - Wheel of Fortune Base (72)
- Exp#1 I&C (18)
- Exp#2 T&B (24)
- Exp#3 P&D (30)
- Flying Machines (8 )
- Hills (9)
- Wind Roses (5+1 Start Tile)
- King & Scout (5)
- Belagerer (5)
I originally had Das Fest (10) and Games Quarterly (10) in place of Flying Machines and Hills, bringing the total to 179. But if you look at the tile mix, DF & GQ are both VERY heavy on roads ending in cities and distinct edge combinations (for example, those two include 3 additional CRCR tiles). Flying Machines & Hills are really great for restoring the balance, so DF & GQ went into my “small game” box with the base game and some other minis.
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« on: January 06, 2022, 11:13:07 AM »
I want these 6 tiles: /pic2353063.jpg) I'm not fussy about condition: good / playable is fine. Would be willing to buy and/or trade some of this stuff (all C1 in lightly used condition): —Princess & Dragon (tiles + dragon + fairy) —Mayor (tiles & meeples, no Abbeys, no box) —The Count (mini, in box) —River I (tiles only) —River II (mini, in box with markings / tape) —Das Fest (10 tiles only) —GQ (12 tiles only) (Last 2 are very available on ebay for about $20, so it might be silly to trade, but thought I'd list it just in case.) Please PM if you are interested. Thanks!
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« on: December 31, 2021, 06:04:52 AM »
We’ve only recently starting playing with some mini expansions (Crop Circles, Mag & Witch, Goldmines, Robbers), and we’re really loving the games. We often remove some tiles from the base game (usually 4xRRFF + 4xRFRF; sometimes CCCC, RRRR, 2xFFFF) to maintain a low tile count. And we have even been breaking up the large expansions into key elements (e.g. Inns, Castles, Dragon, single Trade Good) and using those as minis. To help us decide how to keep a good balance when we mix all these together, I’ve tried to categorize the effects of the various elements of the expansions. I thought it might be of general interest ( does this already exist somewhere?), so here it is. Feel free to comment / criticize / offer additions, etc. I’ll update the list as needed. Balance Feature Scores- Inns
- Cathedrals
- Signposts
- Vineyards
- Pennants
- Cathars / Siege
- Pig
- GQ Pig Farm
- School
New Features- Gardens
- Acrobats
- Castles
- German Cathedrals
- German Castles
- Dutch/German/Japanese Monasteries
- Wind Roses
Collections- Trade Goods
- Goldmines
- Fruit Trees
- Sheep
Tile Connectivity- Abbeys
- Bridges
- Tunnels
- River
Tile Draw & Turns- Builder
- Baazar
- Gifts (Take Two)
Meeple Strength- Large Meeple
- Mayor
- Barn
- Hills
Meeple Relocation- Abbot (-)
- Dragon (-)
- Princess (-)
- Portal (+)
- Tower (-)
- Wagon (+)
- Crop Circles (+/-)
- Das Fest (-)
- Count (+)
- Fliers (+)
- Plague (-)
- Gifts (Synod, Road Sweeper, Change on the Lie, Cash Out) (+/-)
Score Modification- Big Top
- Ringmaster
- Robbers
- Messengers
- Mage & Witch
- King & Scout
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« on: December 26, 2021, 06:02:02 AM »
I was surprised to learn from the answer to @PapaGeek's recent question about Bridges that we have not been following the official rules: we allow multiple bridges to be placed on a single turn! It made me wonder another thing we allow is also illegal. We allow a player to place a bridge when there is no adjacent tile connecting to either end of the bridge. For example, after placing the monastery as shown below, may Yellow place the bridge?  We don't restrict a player's ability to make a placement like this, although in this case the play is tactically justified. (Yellow is worried that Red or Black would place a field edge to create a CRFF hole that would make the Cathedral City permanently incomplete. With the bridge Yellow just needs to draw one of several remaining CRFR tiles to complete the Cathedral city and connect to the Inn road segment.) Our usual ethic is to do this to prevent a permanent hole, but our rules don't stop you from doing it to create such a hole. So, the question is: may a bridge only be placed when necessary to ensure compatibility with a previously placed adjacent tile?
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« on: December 22, 2021, 04:40:36 AM »
I just got the 6-tile Wind Roses mini expansion and have been researching everything there is to know about the tiles, the gameplay, and especially Variants. WikiCarpedia has the tiles (below) and the official rules, which are very simple: 3 points at time of placement of a Rose tile if placed in the quadrant shown on the tile, with quadrants initially defined by the orange start tile and then by the blue rose after it is placed. There is only one set of official rules, but there are two versions of the tile art: HiG with German compass directions N-O-S-W; and Spielbox with only N-S directions:   Let's start with the most relevant links I found: - 2012-Sep-28: Breaking news of the initial release.
- 2013-Jul-13: Die Windrosen: Original + Extras (Expansion) Twelve additional beautiful PnP Wind Rose tiles. Thread includes a River Wind Rose tile as well!
- 2013-Sep-18: Go with the Wind (Variant) Requires meeples to be placed in the quadrant of the most recently placed Rose. Development history is fascinating, as documented here and here.
- 2013-Nov-16: Barbarian Report (Review) Informative early review.
- 2014-Oct-10: Mixing Spielbox & Cundco Versions (Variant) Some novel rules for using both versions of the tiles at the same time.
- 2015-Feb-22: The Explorers (Variant) The Roses become features that are occupied by an Explorer meeple who stays in place until the end of the game, earning one point for each tile placed in the corresponding quadrant.
- 2015-May-15: Element of the Week #36 General discussion of how users play with the Roses. Favorite observation: the official rules award points with no relation to meeples!
- 2016-Feb-20: Unnamed (Variant) A feature completed in the active quadrant earns a 3-point bonus. This was a delayed post within the brainstorming thread that culminated in Go with the Wind (link above). It wasn't really a clear set of rules as much as an idea for further exploration.
- 2016-Feb-26: Campaign Report (Session Report) "Windroses is an expansion in desperate need of a rules boost..." Interesting play-test report on the Unnamed variant (above), which did not to work well in a small (50-tile) game.
- 2016-Feb-29: Completionism Poll Lots of users provided interesting comments about this expansion.
- 2016-Apr-15: Favouritism Poll #5: Start Tile Great argument that the Orange Wind Rose is the best start tile.
- 2017-Sep-05: True North (Variant) Rose tiles must be placed in an orientation with north actually pointing north! The novel mechanic that follows placement of each Rose is a special round in which each player may move a meeple onto a different feature in the corresponding quadrant of the landscape, (even if that feature is occupied). There are many fascinating user comments and even a couple of play-test reports (on page 2).
- 2021-12-19: Windrose Quadrants (Variant) Points or "one-time phantom" awarded for meeple majority in the quadrant defined by the Rose at the time of placement. More of a musing than a variant? But it is simple and novel.
- 2021-12-29: Geodetic Roses (Variant) Adds or Subtracts 5 points from completed features that include the active wind rose tile, based on whether the tile was placed in the correct orientation and quadrant. (I developed this one after the original post here.)
There seems to be more or less unanimous agreement that the tiles are lovely, but the official rules are "rubbish", and all of the variants abandon the weak incentive to place the rose tiles in the quadrant depicted on the tile. Most people seem to like the elegance and simplicity of the expansion, and none of the variants requires additional tiles, tokens or other elements. Many of the variants (Go with the Wind, Explorers, Unnamed) preserve the official notion that quadrants are defined by the orange start tile, until it is usurped by the blue rose, with new rules relating to placement of meeples, or of tiles, or scoring of completed features, respectively, within the active quadrant. These variants all extend the action beyond the turn when the rose tile is placed. Two variants (True North, Quadrants) define quadrants relative to the position and orientation of each successive rose tile, and retain the official mechanic that all action happens at the time of placement. One very interesting idea, initially suggested in the Unnamed variant and formalized in True North, mandates that rose tiles always be placed with north aligned to the original direction of north on the orange start tile. This is certainly thematically and aesthetically pleasing: a true wind rose shows the variation of typical wind speed with direction, and thus would have a fixed sense of "north", and the landscape looks great when the roses are aligned. One difficulty with this approach is that, particularly early in the game, there may be only one or two--sometimes zero--legal placements of a rose, resulting in more frustration than fun, although the problem seems to be ameliorated in games with a lot (120+?) of tiles. See the here, here, and here for more discussion. It appears that the rose quadrant tiles were not designed to support consistent orientation, because they all have a city on the north edge and a field on the east edge. So, in a typical early game setup, there may be only one or two (sometimes zero!) compatible locations for a tile that is properly aligned. Here is a photo of a 3-player game at the point when a first rose might be drawn, illustrating the challenge:  I'm still playing with all of these ideas in search of a favorite way to use these beautiful tiles. Would love to hear of other thoughts, links I missed, and especially good (or bad) variants or even just house rules that may never have been shared with the world...
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« on: December 06, 2021, 02:05:15 PM »
I saw @KBellon's I Love the Postman image today and noticed that there are 9 correct signposts in the arrangement of the unpunched tiles:  Note that there are also 2 incompatible edges on the RRRR tile.  I thought it might be fun to determine the highest number of correct signposts that could be achieved using only these tiles with no incompatible edges. Notice that there are an odd number of road edges, so you can't make one closed loop.  As I was writing this, I remembered a super-fun Tower (Exp#4) puzzle which uses all 18 Tower tiles to make a 6x3 tessellation of a torus! See this animation for an example of how a rectangle can represent the surface of a torus. So, the original question is now 5 questions: - What is the highest number of correct signposts in a planar arrangement of these 12 tiles with no incompatible edges, but no other constraints on the layout?
- Are there 4x3 or 6x2 rectangular arrangements of these tiles with no incompatible edges on the plane?
- If the answer to #2 is "yes", what is the highest number of correct signposts in such an arrangement?
- Are there 4x3 or 6x2 rectangular arrangements of these tiles with no incompatible edge on a torus?
- If the answer to #4 is "yes", what is the highest number of correct signposts in an arrangement on a torus?
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« on: December 06, 2021, 10:00:53 AM »
By "garden rules", I mean, more or less, "Abbot in the garden as if it were a cloister." I'm working on a garden variant for CI (using wooden flower tokens instead of tiles), and I'm seeking inspiration from everyone's experiences, likes and dislikes, with respect to the gardens, particularly with respect to tactics or strategy. I did do some searching, and most of the Forum posts I found seem to be more focused on the Abbot generally, plus they were kind of old. Opinions in the 2015-2016 time frame were pretty anti-CII generally, and this seemed to carry over to the Abbot and gardens. But the community has obviously (mostly) warmed to CII over the years, as far as I can tell. Anyway, here are some links to old posts for anyone who is interested:
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« on: November 28, 2021, 09:07:21 AM »
Here's the image at the end of the game, before final scoring (the tiles got jostled setting up the photo; we don't play with such a messy landscape!):  Five players with 144 tiles: 72 = Base 24 = I&C (6 extra Inns) 24 = T&B 30 = P&D House rules: - Each player gets 8 regular meeples, one Abbey (Exp#5), and one bridge (Exp#8).
- Exp#1: No big meeple, proportional scoring for Cathedrals.
- Exp#2: No pig, no builder, alternative scoring of trade goods.
- Exp#3: No new rules--tiles only.
- Border of mat closes all features (like Abbey).
- Draw next tile immediately after turn. Discard tile if Abbey is played.
- Proportional scoring for farms
Comments: - In order of finish, the players were my daughter Julia (Gray, 162 points), me (Red, 154 points), Annie (Green, 144 points), Matthew (Black, 134 points), and Harry (Yellow, 128 points). Julia and I usually play aggressively, Matthew is experienced but plays a friendlier game, and Annie and Harry had only played once before.
- Five players combined with a large tile mix and the Abbeys virtually eliminated "trapping". It is just too hard to know how to make a "'hole" in the landscape or whom you should target even if you could make a hole. This seems like a good thing for a family holiday game.
 It was still plenty competitive, just more civil than our typical 2- or 3-player smaller game. I prefer the smaller more aggressive games but will totally play these big games again at family gatherings. - Proportional scoring of farms is fantastic in a big game. The big field ended up being worth 45 points, which rounded up to 48 with 4 meeples, so each meeple earned 12. Julia had two meeples to Annie and Matthew each having one, and she earned a narrow victory. With conventional scoring, she literally laps the bottom 3 players
 , which is way less fun. - A mat is really great to have for a large game so there are no arguments about the edge of the table and also because everyone enjoys the easy closures on edges at the end of the game. This mat is 13x23, so the game could be much bigger.
- Speaking of keeping the game enjoyable, Annie said at the end that the only other time she played Carcassonne, the Dragon came out and ate everything and it was kind of miserable. I had been inspired by a recent post by @PapaGeek to try official Dragon rules again, but everyone in our group seemed to be opposed, except possibly for the magic portals, which Matthew likes.
- Annie came out with a couple of relatively early farmers, which I thought was a mistake, but she said, "I wanted to get all my meeples working for me." I think it turned out well for her, as she got 27 points for her 3 farmers. As a more experienced and shrewd player, Julia waited a bit longer to start farming and ended up with 30 points for 3 farmers.
- Harry is a young teen and seemed to be enjoying just building a landscape.
 He also won the trade good battle, scoring a total of 14 points, beating Julia 12, Bruce 12, Matthew 4, and Annie 4. Proportional trade-good scoring has higher total points but roughly the same point differentials. It also keeps trade goods compelling and relevant to the very end.
- I closed the 18-point city in the southwest by placing the tile at J-14, even though Matthew had invaded it twice. This gave me 3 wheat tokens (12 points!), and avoided a protracted fight which I think can often just lead to both players losing. I was happy with this decision in the end.
- I made a tragic blunder about 2/3 of the way through the game by closing a city that Julia and I shared. She was out of meeples at that point and I had plenty. I didn't see an obviously better play but that was definitely a game-loser.
- It took about 2 hours to play and everyone had a great time. It really is a fantastic game.
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« on: November 23, 2021, 05:55:48 AM »
See the series introduction here. <--Last WeekSorry, no JCloisterZone file this week. Introduction: This scenario came up during some play-testing of a variant. It was one of those mid-game decisions that has to happen quickly. I didn't have a specific theme in mind here, just thought it was an interesting situation Configuration: Base game only (72 tiles & 7 meeples per player) Players: Black, Pink, White (order of play as listed, alphabetical by color name). Score: B=4, P=8, W=4 Previous Turns & Scoring: Details not recorded. Sorry. (Part of the variant made the long roads act like roads with Inns from Exp#1, which is why there is so much activity on the long road. But let's ignore that here.) Current Decision (photo below): Pink has now drawn a CRRF tile. Where should they place the tile? Should they place a meeple and if so, where?  Option A (photo below) [ 4;-3], RFCR, meeple as knight in the city. Black & Pink each score 7 for the road.  Option B (photo below) [ 4; 0], RFCR, no meeple. Pink scores 4 points for the football city.  Option C (photo below) [-1; 4], CRRF, meeple as thief on the road.  Option D (photo below) [ 2; 3], FCRR, meeple as farmer in the field not touching the city.  Option E (none of the above) Please describe a better play in your reply.
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« on: October 19, 2021, 07:07:25 AM »
See the series introduction here. <--Last WeekJCloisterZone File. Introduction: So far, situations have mostly been about battles for cities and farms. I was working on some Cloister and/or Farm-merging ideas when I stumbled across this situation, early in a self-play game. Even thought it is again mostly about a city battle, I thought it was very interesting, so I'm sharing it here. Also a bit short on time so using JCZ game images. :-) Configuration: Base game only (72 tiles & 7 meeples per player) Players: Black, Green, Red, Yellow (order of play as listed, alphabetical by color name). Score: B=4, G=R=Y=0 Previous Turns & Scoring: 1. B[ 0; 1] RRCR / knight / B+4 2. G[-1; 0] RRRC / knight / 3. R[ 0;-1] FCFC / knight / 4. Y[ 1;-1] RRRR / / 5. B[ 0;-2] FCFF / knight / 6. G[ 0;-3] FFFF / monk / 7. R[ 2;-1] FFFC / / 8. Y[ 2;-2] FFCC / knight / Current Decision (photo below): Black has now drawn a CCFF tile. Where should they place the tile? Should they place a meeple and if so, where? Please offer comments on moves 5-8 as well!  Option A (photo below) [ 3;-1], CCFF, meeple as knight in the city.  Option B (photo below) [ 2;-3], CCFF, meeple as knight in the city.  Option C (photo below) [ 1;-3], FCCF, meeple as knight in the city.  Option D (photo below) [ 0;-4], FFCC, meeple as knight in the city.  Option E (none of the above) Please describe a better play in your reply.
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« on: October 11, 2021, 05:14:32 PM »
See the series introduction here. <--Last WeekJCloisterZone File. Introduction: Continuing with the game from Week05, 5 turns later... Configuration: Base game only (72 tiles & 7 meeples per player) Players: Black, Gray, Red, Yellow (order of play as listed, alphabetical by color name). Score: B=8, G=8, R=8, Y=8 Previous Turns & Scoring: 1. B[ 1; 0] FFRR / thief / 2. G[ 0;-1] FRRF / thief / 3. R[ 2; 0] FCCF / farmer / 4. Y[-1;-1] RFRF / thief / 5. B[ 0; 1] RRCC / knight / 6. G[ 1;-1] RFFR / / 7. R[ 2;-1] CFFF / knight / R+4 8. Y[-1; 0] CRRC / knight / 9. B[ 0; 2] RFRF / farmer / 10. G[-1;-3] RRCC / knight / 11. R[ 3; 0] FRRC / knight / R+4 12. Y[-1; 1] RCCC / thief / 13. B[ 0;-2] RCRR / knight / B+8, G+8, Y+8 14. G[ 4; 0] RFRR / farmer / 15. R[-2;-1] CFCC / knight / 16. Y[ 3; 1] FFFF / monk / 17. B[ 1; 1] RRFR / thief / 18. G[ 3;-1] RRCF / thief / 19. R[-2; 0] CCCR / / Current Decision (photo below): Yellow has now drawn a CRFR tile. Where should they place the tile? Should they place a meeple and if so, where? Feel free to comment on previous moves, but the emphasis is on Yellow's current move.  Option A (photo below) [-3; 0], FRCR, meeple as knight in the city.  Option B (photo below) [-1;-3], CRFR, meeple as farmer in field next to city.  Option C (photo below) [ 3;-2], CRFR, meeple as farmer in field next to city.  Option D (photo below) [ 3;-2], CRFR, meeple as knight in the city. (Yellow scores 4 points)  Option E (photo below) [ 5; 1], RCRF, meeple as knight in the city.  Option F (none of the above) Please describe a better play in your reply.
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