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Official Rules / Re: CAR 6.4 Errata

« on: February 18, 2014, 04:55:06 PM »

Not that I think it matters too much since RGG is no longer the english publisher, but I think I just found something BIG (and forgive me if this was already noted). I was looking through the rules set for RGG's Big Box 3, as found here, http://riograndegames.com/getFile.php?id=527 and I noticed on page 9 that (as it is noted in the CAR) it says "If placement of the tile completes a feature, it is scored as normal. Then, the game is briefly interrupted while the Dragon moves!" HOWEVER, however, if we jump to page 15 they list a turn sequence. Step 2 of this sequence is "MOVE" WOOD. At the end of step 2 it says "if necessary, DRAGON JOURNEY (the Princess & the Dragon)" Then the sequence moves onto step 3 also known as SCORE. To me, even though it contradicts the previous statements it clearly implies that dragon movement occurs BEFORE scoring.

Again, forgive me if this was already noticed before, but if something like this was noticed I would have thought for sure it be given attention in the CAR.

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Official Rules / Re: Couple of expansion rules questions!

« on: February 16, 2014, 10:17:30 AM »

Thank you for the replies. Given my English speaking nature I didn't focus to much on the rules directly from HiG simply because I don't speak German. Thus I didn't realize their rulesets were longer. That simplifies it for me. The creator of the game is German. The game is first published by a German company, HiG. My argument can be that ZMG doesn't translate all the rules and so the best way to know something is to reference the CAR which doing so wouldn't be a problem for me.

Thank you for your answers. Also I should clarify my first question. Obviously can NOT place the fairy directly on a volcano tile because no followers can exist on a volcano tile (except via magic portal (or otherwise) but that's another matter) BUT anytime you play a volcano tile I see no reason that you couldn't move the fairy to another tile with a follower on it. HiG rules say you MAY do ths but ZMG mentions nothing one way or the other. Thus, this is why I asked the question I did.

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Official Rules / Couple of expansion rules questions!

« on: February 15, 2014, 11:20:23 PM »

Hello all,

Huge fan of the game. I've played the base+river with friends a few times before (which is what got me intially hooked). I own the iOS app and all available expansions for said app. I also just this week got my own copy of the base game (which includes the river) by ZMG plus the I&C and T&B expansions. I've played the iOS app (and thus my knowldge of the rules is largely based on how HiG does them) and java-based implementation known as jcloisterzone a lot and I've studied the CAR a lot as well. In addition I've also studied the official ZMG rules and I now have some concerns. My friends have no exposure to the expansions and I want to change that.

My concerns:

(First let's look at P&D, and I refer to ZMG's rules listed here, http://zmangames.com/rulebooks/Carcassonne_Exp3.pdf)

1. Where in the rules, even implicitly so, does it state that if I place a volcano tile that I can NOT place the fairy?

2. If the builder and pig are NOT followers how then do I argue they should be eaten by the dragon when the rules only say "Each time the dragon moves onto a tile with a follower, that follower is returned to its owner

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Official Rules / Re: CAR 6.4 Errata

« on: February 03, 2014, 09:18:11 PM »

Forgive me if this has already been pointed out as I am new to these forums but I wanted to point it out nonetheless.

Prior to making this post I did my homework so to speak and combed over the german HiG rules for the River II expansion and it does clearly state that if you don't have the corresponding expansion with regards to the pig herd, inn and volcano that those features then mean nothing. Now I know that in v6.4 of the CAR it is stated as a house rule that technically because the pig herd is scored separately from the pig that the bonus from the pig herd then could still be applied even if you are not playing with the Traders & Builders expansion. This house rule makes sense BUT I think it no longer need be considered a house rule. If I may reference page 4 (the last page) of the pdf of the English rules (by ZMG) for the River II (technically apart of the Count, King & Robber expansion) found here, http://zmangames.com/rulebooks/Carcassonne_Exp6.pdf, it says at the bottom, "If you are playing without the corresponding expansions, the inn and
the volcano pictured on the following tiles are ignored."

Notice how unlike the German rules from HiG it makes no specific mention of the tile with the pig herd (pigsty as ZMG calls it). To me this implies that the pig herd can be scored without playing with the Traders & Builders expansion.

Again I apologize if this was already pointed out or if ZMG came forth and clarified this matter but I felt it worth noting regardless.

P.S. I LOVE the CAR and especially how helpful it has been for me and those I play with.