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Carc Central Community => General => Topic started by: Challa007 on December 04, 2022, 01:23:03 AM
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This dialogue from the " I love the postman" thread had me thinking...
My big existential question of the moment related to carcassonne is to know if I invest in sleeves to protect my tiles. ???
If you use a bag to draw the tiles is a must...
It really is. I was playing a copy of Hunters and gathers 2nd edition out of a bag and you could tell a few pieces has already taken a beating
We do not use a bag but the tower for the tiles. But we need to shuffle them and I can clearly see that they get rubbed from that!
We put them face down on the table and shuffle and I think, clearly, that is not a good idea....
My BB5 tiles got a little damaged so I just had to buy a new BB5 box (for a good price ;) ) but would like to avoid that in the future.
Also, I don't want to use sleeves.
Any ideas how to shuffle without damaging the tiles?
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Since I never play exclusively with the base game, my method for shuffling the tiles looks like this: scattering a single or two on top of each other tiles from the base game face down on the table, as many as will be handy, for me it's usually about 20, then placing tiles from expansions on top of them and covering them with the remaining ones from the base game, sometimes alternately forming more layers, the final step is to gather the tiny stacks into larger ones, sometimes cutting them in the middle.
The tiles land in a tower, or form the usual four free-standing stacks from which they are drawn.
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My tiles are sleeved, so I shuffle them on the table, then place them in piles (for small games), or in a bag or in one/two towers for bigger games :yellow-meeple:
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I have sleeved tiles. They all get placed on the table and scattered around then they get placed I'm a bag.
The player whose turn it is keeps hold of the bag until they are happy with their turn and then passes the bag onwards.
The amount of times we have had "oh can I do something else jnsted" once the bag is passed the answer is "no"
Edit: just to note I prefer the tiles unsleaved but I would never play with some of my rarer tiles if they wasn't so I guess I have to deal with that.
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Our basic game of four players starts with 71 Basic Game tiles plus 18 Inns and Cathedrals plus 24 Traders and Builders, that is 113 tiles before we start talking about what other standard and fan expansions we want for the next game!
We start by gently mixing the tiles in the middle of the table, then making about 8 or 10 small stacks, then take each stack one at a time to randomly remake 8 or 10 new stacks. We do this a couple of times before our first game of the night, then make a final set of 2 stacks per player. The stacks are placed in the center of the table and the player who did most of the restacking is the last player to select their 2 stacks for the game.
Because the sides of each tile are visible in each stack, we are very careful on how we create the tiles for each fan expansion, we want all of the tiles to be invisible in the stacks!
Near the end of the game, the last 15 or 20 tiles are all combined into a single stack that is passed to the next player after your turn.
https://www.papageek.com/car/Tiles.htm (https://www.papageek.com/car/Tiles.htm)
As a last step, each turn, each player, picks up about half of one of their stacks, then drops the bottom tile onto the table face down as their tile for that turn.
After each game that night, the first thing we do is make a new stack of the river tiles, then, if we decide that the next game will be played with a different set of expansions, we either remove the old expansion from all of the face up tiles on the table or randomly add the new expansion to the face up tiles.
The tiles are already mixed on the table based on how they were played in the previous game, so premixing before making 2 stacks for each player is a lot quicker before the next game.
Also, at any time during the game, a player can ask another player to switch stacks with them! Every stack is random, so switching doesn't matter!
Near the end of the game, the last 15 or 20 tiles are all combined into one stack that is passed to the next player after your turn.
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We put the unsleeved tiles in a bag and mix them inside the bag. We used to play every week for several years, and none of my tiles are showing any signs of wear.
When the previous player passes the bag to you, his turn ends and your turn begins. When you pass the bag to the next player, your turn ends. We allow people to waffle on their decisions as much as they want until they pass the bag to the next player. After that, what’s done is done.
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We put the unsleeved tiles in a bag and mix them inside the bag. We used to play every week for several years, and none of my tiles are showing any signs of wear.
When the previous player passes the bag to you, his turn ends and your turn begins. When you pass the bag to the next player, your turn ends. We allow people to waffle on their decisions as much as they want until they pass the bag to the next player. After that, what’s done is done.
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Like I've put in my edit. That last bit is very important.
Once the bag has passed on there is no more changes only regrets.
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Thank you all for your answers!! :(y)
I also discovered that there have been similar threads in the past. :)
A lot of ideas to get inspired from... I think we will go with the 20 stacks... :)
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Thank you all for your answers!! :(y)
I also discovered that there have been similar threads in the past. :)
A lot of ideas to get inspired from... I think we will go with the 20 stacks... :)
Haha, we are usually playing with 12.
Most of expansions are has 6 times 1, 2, 3.
So we created 6 stacks with tiles from basic game.
Then we place before stacks in a row tiles from expansions we want to play.
Then we place tiles randomly into stack in same column.
Then we mix tiles in each stack and every one divide into two.
Usually we are playing games with +-200 tiles.
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I've always fancied one of these..... A wonderful novelty :D
https://twitter.com/carcassonnew/status/1287328422729928705?s=20&t=AWAL7QMgSqNWdSIuVbA4ow
https://twitter.com/carcassonnew/status/1287329867399274496?s=20&t=AWAL7QMgSqNWdSIuVbA4ow
https://twitter.com/carcassonnew/status/1287348032053235714?s=20&t=AWAL7QMgSqNWdSIuVbA4ow
https://twitter.com/carcassonnew/status/1287329068770185216?s=20&t=AWAL7QMgSqNWdSIuVbA4ow
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Need me one of those! Amazing!
That's a Majong table, right? But modified for Carcassonne? How does it get the tiles all facing down when it comes up?! :o
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@Decar, @Willem are you sure you wan't your tiles to be slowly minced? I'm not sure how many cycles cardboard tiles could witstand.
It is indeed modified mahyong table.
This video shows how such tables work: https://youtu.be/hpbjH_eHc6A?t=155
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I think you were taking my suggestion a little too seriously ;D ;D ;D
I think there's a few convenient edits in the videos Willem. We can dream though. Maybe with some nice wooden, and durable, tiles it would work wonders :D
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Or, we just get one of the Mahjong tables, with the 2 magnetic mahjong sets.
And then we get rid of all our carcassonne, and we play mahjong instead?
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Ok, but you first have to make THE mahjong museum! :yellow-meeple:
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...we play mahjong instead?
I'm in!
Actually, I got slightly internet famous when a video of me playing mahjong with some students was posted on a website that is sort of a Chinese instagram:
http://www.xiaohongshu.com/discovery/item/61aaadfd000000000102d197?share_from_user_hidden=true&xhsshare=WeixinSession&appuid=55571a7ec2bdeb32ccc194bd&apptime=1643876225
It would be great if someone (@Scott?) could figure out how to have beautiful square Carcassonne tiles made from the same very strong plastic that Mahjong tiles are made of. The feel of a good heavy mahjong tile set is even better than the feel of my double-sided Carcassonne tiles (https://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=6021.msg86980#msg86980)!
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I’m honoured to be thought of first when it comes to sourcing manufacturers. :D
Without looking, I think we would need to find a Chinese manufacturer that is willing to do custom-sizes tiles, or resort to 3D printing, because I’m not aware of any games that come with square tiles. I would be inclined to design them with small recesses to accept a sticker with the tile image on them. The recesses should help protect the artwork. There are also ways of adding a clear protective layer, but that would dramatically increase the cost.
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I was browsing the forum and came across this post that may be of interest to those who are pondering the tile shuffling question:
https://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=3526
Tiered deployment gives you more control over how often a feature will appear, without completely negating the random aspect of the tile drawn.
It is the most recent (2017) of many great posts by @Christopher.
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+1 merit from me @kothmann for continuously digging out such treasures :D
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For those who print fan extensions, do you sheathe your tiles?
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As I wrote in reply 8.
But it depends how your tiles looks like. I have luck, that some tiles I have were made by @Chmura and @Matisek they have great experience with them. So you can see any difference when you check it from side.
And some of them are printed on UV flatbed printer, so again, you can recognize which one is fan made or original.
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At the end of a game, we grab up the tiles in small groups & stack them. Then I put them in the box randomly. I have so many tiles that the placement in the box must be an efficient use of space so they are on an edge & in rows. To set up a new game, I take the tiles out & place them in stacks, usually over a dozen stacks without looking at the fronts. This is sufficiently random going into the new game.
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For those who print fan extensions, do you sheathe your tiles?
Not yet... I haven't even sleeved my original ones yet either... (You may hear "sacrilege" from the sidelines ;))
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Well. I think tiles are for playing. So I don't sleeve them. On of my older friend told me that you can buy new one or print them again.
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