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Title: New player, new user, first post: want to expand quickly
Post by: Allograft on January 15, 2021, 10:08:59 PM
My lady is really enjoy v2 with the River and Abbot. She'd like to get to like 450 tiles or so. Thoughts on the best way to get there?

BTW, what's up with all the hard security questions to answer? Too much spam before?
Title: Re: New player, new user, first post: want to expand quickly
Post by: corinthiens13 on January 15, 2021, 10:18:44 PM
My lady is really enjoy v2 with the River and Abbot. She'd like to get to like 450 tiles or so. Thoughts on the best way to get there?

BTW, what's up with all the hard security questions to answer? Too much spam before?

Welcome to the forum  ;)

You can see all of the existing expansions here, C1 and C2, with their tile number, rules, interactions...etc
https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Main_Page (https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Main_Page)
Title: Re: New player, new user, first post: want to expand quickly
Post by: corinthiens13 on January 15, 2021, 10:19:50 PM
I suggest you start with the 9 major expansions  ;)
Title: Re: New player, new user, first post: want to expand quickly
Post by: Allograft on January 15, 2021, 10:44:14 PM
Thanks folks. The major expansions that looked interesting are 1, 2, 3 (potentially mostly for the tiles since user experience is mixed about the content), 5 & 8. But that only gets to about 100 extra tiles. I don't suppose that there are any large, general lots like one can buy with legos? I have to admit that some of the custom/limited edition ones like the castles and abbeys are really well done and are enticing...but just so few in number.
Title: Re: New player, new user, first post: want to expand quickly
Post by: Allograft on January 15, 2021, 10:58:20 PM
How'd the guy with the world record of a 10k+ tile game get all those?
Title: Re: New player, new user, first post: want to expand quickly
Post by: corinthiens13 on January 15, 2021, 11:02:27 PM
How'd the guy with the world record of a 10k+ tile game get all those?

By buying the base game and major expansions multiple times, that's an option if you're only interested on having more tiles but without expansion's rules.
Title: Re: New player, new user, first post: want to expand quickly
Post by: Allograft on January 15, 2021, 11:10:41 PM
Indeed, we already have a second edition with the Abbot and River. We're now looking at getting a big box 2017 plus expansions 3, 5 & 8. We have a bunch of kids, so with numerous players gotta have a bunch of tiles. Those bathhouses, cathedrals, and castles are pretty hot though...

Putting all those together would really only mean that a couple of duplicate tiles (and several sets of meeples) wouldn't be usable...probably the river beginning and ends. But everything else we could use together I believe. But in case a meeple ends up in someone's nose, we'd have replacements handy.
Title: Re: New player, new user, first post: want to expand quickly
Post by: Meepledrone on January 16, 2021, 02:10:34 AM
Hi Allograft!

Welcome to the forum!

Besides the official expansions you can print some PnP expansions or even some fan-expansions. You can find a list here, maintained by wolnic:
http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=3748.0 (http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=3748.0)

If you want a huge number of tiles with lots of variations, you can check the following:
* All the Rest, which provides 264 vanilla tiles with plenty of configurations.
* The Forests series, the Rivers & Fishermen series or the Coast & Oceans series, which add new feature types and plenty of tiles.

Maybe your kids can help you create all these new tiles:
http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=31.0 (http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=31.0)

Cheers!
Title: Re: New player, new user, first post: want to expand quickly
Post by: cicerunner on January 16, 2021, 04:17:15 AM
My lady is really enjoy v2 with the River and Abbot. She'd like to get to like 450 tiles or so.
Wow!! That's quite a leap!!
What makes you both so confident after playing with 84 tiles that you'll enjoy the experience with 400+ ? It just seems like such a huge leap.

Basic Carcassonne takes around 35 minutes, 400+ is going to take well over 3 hours, probably 4 ... Most kids I know aren't going to live with that!

Or did you mean just having lots of choice but not playing with them all at once?

Either way I'd recommend buying a small handful of expansions and seeing how you find it before ordering hundreds of tiles.

Looking forward to seeing your collection grow and hearing about your experiences.
Title: Re: New player, new user, first post: want to expand quickly
Post by: Decar on January 16, 2021, 05:34:35 AM
2*(Basegame + Exp1 + Exp2 + Exp3) + Exp5 + Exp10 is 320 tiles (I think).

If you can juggle all those rules you'll have a long and mostly enjoyable game.  I'd suggest giving yourself a few extra meeple, if you're using 2 base games.
Title: Re: New player, new user, first post: want to expand quickly
Post by: Allograft on January 16, 2021, 12:54:15 PM
What makes you both so confident after playing with 84 tiles that you'll enjoy the experience with 400+ ? It just seems like such a huge leap.
Hey, it's what she asked for. Happy wife, happy life.
Title: Re: New player, new user, first post: want to expand quickly
Post by: DIN0 on January 16, 2021, 01:04:24 PM
Hey, it's what she asked for. Happy wife, happy life.
That is a nice way to put it :D
By the way I like your user name  :(y)
Title: Re: New player, new user, first post: want to expand quickly
Post by: The-Edge on January 17, 2021, 09:34:18 AM
U can always take The Wheel of Fortune as an extra for more tiles
Title: Re: New player, new user, first post: want to expand quickly
Post by: Sinscerly on January 17, 2021, 01:18:22 PM
U can always take The Wheel of Fortune as an extra for more tiles

Not v2, if you don't wanna mix it.
Title: Re: New player, new user, first post: want to expand quickly
Post by: PurpleMeeple on January 22, 2021, 06:40:12 PM
Hi Allograft, I'm quite new round here too and have only been playing / collecting Carcassonne for couple of years or so now. 

I see you are considering Big Box 2017 and I thoroughly recommend this box, it is how I kick started my collection and I do not regret it at all.

Regarding your target of 450+ tiles, I personally would suggest getting all the different - easily available - expansions, major and minor, if only for the unique tile variations you get across them.  Also, this way you have choice of course to just play using the tiles and ignore expansion rules completely, selectively add some rules/elements in to spice things up occasionally or try and follow all applicable rules at once MegaCarcassonne style (I intend to try it, after many, many build up games!)   

I have a near complete CII collection (~95.8% apparently) of officially released proper tiles (so not including PnP or CutCassonne in this example).  If I have done my maths (and set up my spreadsheet) correctly this gives me 341* playable land tiles.  All of which happen to be readily available ones currently.  It does however include 24 triangular halflings, the 6 Abbey tiles and 10 double size tiles - of which 4 are the Markets of Leipzig and some monasteries that are intended to replace the ones in the base set.

Add the second base set that you already have (72 + the 12 river) to the 341* and you will have 413* playable land tiles (with minimal unrequired duplicates really - although you would have 3 rivers at this point, 2 x RI + 1 x R2).  If that really is still not enough then there is always the 20th anniversary set coming up in May that we are looking forward to, for you it would be a third base set and a forth river but will also come with 20 new tiles - 5 of which are additional river.**  This would bring the total number of tiles to 519* so even without the non-square tiles and taking out the multiple duplicate River source and end tiles you would have a game with over 450 playable tiles :)

If I have not missed anything, there are an additional 15 land tiles published for CII however of these at least 7 (individual, annual, Spiel Promos) are rare and likely prohibitively expensive to collect, this may also apply to the set of 6 Japanese Buildings - I have no idea when they were last available at reasonable cost - and the last 2 (Spiel Doch Promo) may not be as hard to get  - but I cannot currently order them, natch  ::)

Another idea would be to look out for a larger collection being sold, they do appear on eBay occasionally.

Lastly, just to allude to what cicerunner mentioned about game length, My wife and I have had a quite few one on one games in the last few days using less than half my tiles (selecting random expansions to add tiles from), ignoring most expansion elements but playing with Abbot, Phantom and Giant meeple in addition to the base 7 and these games have taken up to 1.75 hours.  Most games were quicker but even just adding some bridges increased the game length due to the extra consideration on tile placement just that one element adds.

*As mentioned above, these numbers include 24 halflings of which not all are generally used in a game, the 6 Abbey tiles which you normally only include one each per player and 10 double size tiles - of which 4 are the Markets of Leipzig which are meant as alternative starting tiles, monasteries that are intended to replace the ones in the base set (much like the Japanese buildings) but could be used in addition instead and of course the multiple River source and end tiles.  [Edit:] These numbers do not include the City of Carcassonne tiles in either of its formats, but again these are intended as alternate start tiles rather than 'playable' tiles.

 ** So by now (or even with just 3 rivers), you might want to randomly choose a set amount of river tiles rather than use all each game.

Hope that's helpful or at least given you some food for thought! :)

Kind regards,

PM 
:violet-meeple:
Title: Re: New player, new user, first post: want to expand quickly
Post by: Allograft on February 02, 2021, 04:16:59 PM
Thanks for input all. I cleaned-up with all the mini-expansions on Cundco. Getting in bulk from Europe made sense, even with shipping costs, compared to the high prices charged on eBay for US resellers. I'm looking at reselling my first base set cheap on eBay and then keeping the Big Box along with all the mini-expansions. I also added Abbey and Mayor as well as Bridges, Castles, and Bazaars since those seem to keep with the spirit of the game without introducing radically new dimensions. I'll also get an Anniversary edition in May to round out the set.
Title: Re: New player, new user, first post: want to expand quickly
Post by: Decar on February 03, 2021, 02:22:10 PM
Sounds good, hope you enjoy playing with them (one at the time, or all at once  ;D )
Title: Re: New player, new user, first post: want to expand quickly
Post by: Allograft on February 03, 2021, 10:43:00 PM
Still working through the Big Box. We are trying to play 2-3 games with each addition. Learning the rules and how to apply them is a bit of a challenge and reading the rules is much different than applying them. Difference in theoretical and practical knowledge :-)
Title: Re: New player, new user, first post: want to expand quickly
Post by: corinthiens13 on February 03, 2021, 11:17:13 PM
Still working through the Big Box. We are trying to play 2-3 games with each addition. Learning the rules and how to apply them is a bit of a challenge and reading the rules is much different than applying them. Difference in theoretical and practical knowledge :-)

And once you'll mix mini expansions that are not in the big box... It'll becomes really though, as interactions with minis are not explained in any rules...  :o

WICA's order of play (https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Order_of_Play (https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Order_of_Play)) and WICA's scoring sequence (https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Scoring_During_Turn_Sequence (https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Scoring_During_Turn_Sequence)) are a great help when mixing multiple expansions and minis. Note that rules about messages, halflings and double size tiles (and a few others) need to be updated since the last HiG's clarifications.  :yellow-meeple:
Title: Re: New player, new user, first post: want to expand quickly
Post by: Allograft on February 04, 2021, 03:37:18 PM
Thank you, sir