Author Topic: Tollkeepers: old FRRR is now RRRR (Read 873 times)

BBG · « **on:** October 31, 2023, 06:18:48 AM »

I was comparing tiles when I realized one tile in the "Tollkeepers" C3 expansion is different from the C2 version. Is this an error? If not, why did they make this change?

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NGC 54 · « **Reply #1 on:** October 31, 2023, 06:35:29 AM »

This is The Tollkeepers, not The Markets of Leipzig.

BBG · « **Reply #2 on:** October 31, 2023, 06:51:26 AM »

Quote from: NGC 54 on October 31, 2023, 06:35:29 AM

This is The Tollkeepers, not The Markets of Leipzig.

Yes I messed up. Corrected. My question/doubt remains.

NGC 54 · « **Reply #3 on:** October 31, 2023, 07:48:49 AM »

I doubt that this is not intentional, but who knows? It would be hard for a road segment to appear by itself... So far, the gameplay-relevant differences between C2 and C3 are:

The River: the FFFF source tile (C2) turns into a RRFF tile (C3).
The River: the lake tile without a monastery (C2) receives a monastery (C3).
The Ferries: one RRRF tile (C2) turns into a RRRR tile (C3).
The Tollkeepers: the RRRF village tile (C2) turns into a RRRR tile (C3).

Meepledrone · « **Reply #4 on:** October 31, 2023, 07:53:21 AM »

The expansion includes a FRFR and FRRR tiles with a village. It also affected RRRR tiles with a village but none was included... until now.

Bumsakalaka · « **Reply #5 on:** November 01, 2023, 12:21:26 PM »

Well. I understand that in C3 some tile configurations are updated. It's next version and finally they correct some known issues.

For example I like new spring tile (C1 lower know it from GQ11) with separated fields.
What I miss is two fields on lake tile, because when it's last tile in river deck, player playing tile before last one has advantage, because he know, that next tile will join fields on both sides of river. So he can place meeple on field as farmer with better chance to create bigger fields then other players.

Meepledrone · « **Reply #6 on:** November 01, 2023, 01:38:57 PM »

This would happen in the case the player is an early farmer...

BBG · « **Reply #7 on:** November 02, 2023, 03:18:15 AM »

I understand why they changed the river tile, in order to avoid big fields. It's still not very clear to me why they changed the FRRR tile from the tollkeepers into a RRRR, my original question. Did someone from the publisher look at the tiles and thought "no, this is no good, we need another road in this specific tile!"? It's funny and weird at teh same time.

Bumsakalaka · « **Reply #8 on:** November 02, 2023, 06:14:00 AM »

I'm for this change, because this increase number of roads which player can score by tollkeeper.
When you check other expansions, they are missing villages. So when playing larger games, then you not have a lot of changes to place tollkeeper