Poll

Where should Yellow place the tile?  Should Yellow place a meeple, and if so where?

Option A
5 (33.3%)
Option B
9 (60%)
Option C
0 (0%)
Option D
0 (0%)
Option E : Other (please specify)
1 (6.7%)

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Tactical Tuesday -- Week 02
« on: September 13, 2021, 04:18:53 PM »
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Game Condition: base game only with standard rules.

Players: Black, Gray, Red, Yellow (order of play as listed, alphabetical by color name).

Score: B=2, G=9, R=7, Y=8

Summary of Previous Moves:
1. B[ 0;-1]  2. G[ 0;+1]  3. R[ 1; 0]  4. Y[ 2; 0]  5. B[ 2; 1] (B scores 2 points)
6. G[ 1; -1] 7. R[ 2;-1] (R scores 3 points)  8. Y[ 3;-1] (Y scores 4 points)
9. B[-1; -1] 10. G[2; -2] 11. R[4; -1] (R scores 4 points)
12. Y[-2; 0] (Y scores 4 points) 13. B[ 0;-2] 14. G[ 1; -2] (G scores 9 points)
15. R[-2; 0]

Current Decision (photo below):
Yellow has now drawn the FFCC tile.
Where should they place the tile?
Should they place a meeple and if so, where?


Option A (photo below)
[-1; 1], FFCC, meeple as knight in the west city segment.  Yellow scores 4 points.


Option B (photo below)
[ 3; 0], CCFF, meeple as farmer.


Option C (photo below)
[ 0; 2], CCFF, meeple as knight in east city segment.


Option D (photo below)
[ 0; 2], CFFC, meeple as knight in north city segment.


Option E (none of the above)
Please describe a better play in your reply.


Linkback: https://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=5471.0
« Last Edit: September 20, 2021, 05:36:56 PM by kothmann »

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Re: Tactical Tuesday -- Week 02
« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2021, 04:27:03 PM »
Are expansions included, or just base game? If Bridges is included, I would castle the small city in the southwest corner, completing the cloister for black and providing the same 9 points for yellow. -  :pink-meeple:

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Re: Tactical Tuesday -- Week 02
« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2021, 04:33:03 PM »
Good question, edited to say "base game only standard rules."

But I don't think you can score a castle on the same turn that you create it--see the first sentence here:
https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Bridges,_Castles_and_Bazaars#3._Scoring_a_castle
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you score points when a neighboring feature is completed in a later turn
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Re: Tactical Tuesday -- Week 02
« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2021, 04:43:04 PM »
Wow. Mind blown. -  :pink-meeple:

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Re: Tactical Tuesday -- Week 02
« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2021, 04:45:22 PM »
Then given the revised rules, as much as I like B, I think I would go with A at an early point in the game. -  :pink-meeple:

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Re: Tactical Tuesday -- Week 02
« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2021, 12:44:36 AM »
This week quiz is more tactical like first one. I like it.
Due to score of meeples not coresponds situation on board:
Black has 2 points, but there are non finished 2 tiles road (for example).
It will be good to tell, how many tiles are in stack (deck).

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Re: Tactical Tuesday -- Week 02
« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2021, 01:36:17 AM »
Nice!

Presumably with 17 tiles showing there are 55 left so we are almost a quarter of the way through the deck. With that in mind, I would choose between A (safe 4, set for another open city) and B.

I’d probably go with B as there is a lot of city potential and it doesn’t feel too early to commit a farmer. I expect that if I don’t, with that new tile in and three other players, there will be a farmer in that central field before my next turn.

Both Red and Black are interested in completing that road at (-2,-1) and if it is done using a RRFF then the field ties around to the north of the map too.

Yes, Option B. Fortune favours the brave.
« Last Edit: September 14, 2021, 01:45:49 AM by unclewill »

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Re: Tactical Tuesday -- Week 02
« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2021, 07:22:31 AM »
Well stated, unclewill.  If you don't grab that field, somebody else will and soon.  I vote B as well.
Good question, kothmann!  By the way, what would you do?  The moderator can voice his opinion too, right?
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Re: Tactical Tuesday -- Week 02
« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2021, 09:47:57 AM »
...Due to score of meeples not coresponds situation on board:
Black has 2 points, but there are non finished 2 tiles road (for example).
My intention was that on the 5th turn, Black placed the RRRR tile at [ 2; 1] and scored two points for the completed road on the south edge.  That was the clear favorite play in the Week 01 poll.  I did experiment with the sequence of turns quite a bit, though, before settling on what you see here, so there is always the possibility that I transcribed something wrong or grabbed the wrong photo from my crazy iPhone camera roll.  So, thanks for keeping a sharp eye on things!

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It will be good to tell, how many tiles are in stack (deck).
Good idea.  I'll try to remember to add that next week!

...By the way, what would you do?  The moderator can voice his opinion too, right?
"Moderator" will voice his opinion in a couple of days to bump the poll in the hope of getting more responses... >:D

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Re: Tactical Tuesday -- Week 02
« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2021, 09:52:08 AM »
My intention was that on the 5th turn, Black placed the RRRR tile at [ 2; 1] and scored two points for the completed road on the south edge.  That was the clear favorite play in the Week 01 poll. 

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Re: Tactical Tuesday -- Week 02
« Reply #10 on: September 14, 2021, 10:09:20 AM »
Well. In that case, there are too many cocks in one yard.
So Option B is nice start for Field battle on end of the game. Currently has ľ finished cities = 6 points, but preparation for next 3 so possible 15 points on end of the game.
Options A is also nice, because after placement of tile, yellow player is on same situation like before placement, plus 4 points.
Option C/D is fine. But benefit is small. Option D allow to preparation of block finishing of large city on north. but there are 4 players. So not big deal. Option C can be preparation to invide into city, but with big effort and needs big luck to finish it. But it allows to add tile on top right road by black and block all players meeples.
I choose B

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Re: Tactical Tuesday -- Week 02
« Reply #11 on: September 14, 2021, 02:36:14 PM »
@kothmann I have to be blind :(

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Re: Tactical Tuesday -- Week 02
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Re: Tactical Tuesday -- Week 02
« Reply #13 on: September 14, 2021, 03:59:23 PM »
I think this is referring back to the question about how many points Black scored.

All good.  I really do appreciate that you’re looking it over.

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Re: Tactical Tuesday -- Week 02
« Reply #14 on: September 14, 2021, 11:35:41 PM »
B. It's never too early to throw a farmer in the mix and it looks like it could be a big one!
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