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Re: Need help deciding which "The River " to buy.
« Reply #60 on: August 24, 2021, 11:33:28 AM »
Incidentally, I also have a copy of River 1 with the copy protection codes which also has the dark backs. I’ve seen danisthirty’s note on this in the FAQ; is this any more than a curiosity?
The copy protection code tiles are used for exactly that.
They have codes that you can be asked to enter when playing the computer game. Other than that, you play them as per usual

Yes, I am of an age where I remember dealing with such cunning devices on my (mainly) legit computer games in the nineties and noughties. I was wondering how interesting a Carcassonne item it is and whether I should be that bothered about keeping it unpunched.

Any insight on the origin of the light-backed River 1?

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Re: Need help deciding which "The River " to buy.
« Reply #61 on: August 24, 2021, 11:51:27 AM »
River III has light grey backs. This is the C1 River I version included in Big Box 5 featuring vineyards and sheep.

Check the notes on River III here:

https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/River_(1st_edition)#Contents
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Re: Need help deciding which "The River " to buy.
« Reply #62 on: August 24, 2021, 11:57:13 AM »
whether I should be that bothered about keeping it unpunched.

Unpunched.... oooh
I suspect there will be interest from the super collectors.

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Re: Need help deciding which "The River " to buy.
« Reply #63 on: August 24, 2021, 01:14:05 PM »
I got the game with the tiles. If anything, those tiles keep falling out of the sheets.
If you've got another River 1 to play, you can keep the coded one as collectors item; that's what I have mine as.

With regards to the light coloured backs of your river 1; I'd have to check. I've got most/all different releases of the River 1, but due to a house move my carc collections is almost all boxed up. So it might take a while before I can check if I've got a matching river 1
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Re: Need help deciding which "The River " to buy.
« Reply #64 on: August 24, 2021, 03:35:48 PM »
Thanks for the replies.

River III has light grey backs. This is the C1 River I version included in Big Box 5 featuring vineyards and sheep.

Check the notes on River III here:

https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/River_(1st_edition)#Contents

Yes I used that page (amongst others) as a reference and it isn't River III; there are no sheep, vineyards or watermarks. The fronts are standard-issue River 1. I have attached a photo to confirm. The tiles are sleeved so they are shiny but you get the gist.

I got the game with the tiles. If anything, those tiles keep falling out of the sheets.
If you've got another River 1 to play, you can keep the coded one as collectors item; that's what I have mine as.

Yes those tiles want to be free...

That is my intention too.

Unpunched.... oooh
I suspect there will be interest from the super collectors.

Ha, perhaps some day I will be able to trade it for a fleeting hold of a single Die Kornkreise 1 tile, or whatever the exchange rate is at the time.

Any further ideas regarding the river tiles would be appreciated!

EDIT: photos changed to show consistent rotation with back and tile close up
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Re: Need help deciding which "The River " to buy.
« Reply #65 on: August 25, 2021, 02:24:20 AM »
Here is another photo showing the light and dark-backed comparisons.

That is the river from RGG 2002 on the left (https://www.boardgamegeek.com/boardgameversion/170612/english-edition-2002-river), compared to the mystery river on the right.

All insights are welcome!
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Re: Need help deciding which "The River " to buy.
« Reply #66 on: August 26, 2021, 01:59:25 AM »
So, after much discussion and scouring of the internet, I think I have identified the source of the river. I read somewhere that some publishers have included the river in expansions, so I went through all the individual rules sheets included in the bundle and identified Dutch expansions 1 and 2, and German everything else.

Having properly consulted the included rule sheet for Carcassonne De uitbreiding it shows a rules section for the River which suggests this: https://www.boardgamegeek.com/boardgameversion/21197/dutch-edition-2002-river-expansion

This edition fits with the age of the rest of the bundle, the darker/ bluer green, and lack of watermarks consistent across the base and expansions 1-4. It would fit with early licensee publishers departing from the standard too.

Either way, the evidence supports the hypothesis of Dutch 2002 I&C as the origin. If someone can confirm it, that would be great!

 
« Last Edit: August 26, 2021, 02:18:57 AM by unclewill »

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Re: Need help deciding which "The River " to buy.
« Reply #67 on: August 26, 2021, 02:21:08 AM »
I repost this question also on Czech forum
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Re: Need help deciding which "The River " to buy.
« Reply #68 on: August 26, 2021, 03:01:19 AM »
That's very interesting!
I think I've got the old Dutch version of I&C somewhere, so once I can, I'll have a look (this might take a while though).

The other interesting piece, is that those rules refer to the river as "the limited available expansions from the 10th Spellenspektakel"
The Spellenspektakel is an annual game convention in the Netherlands. At its 10th anniversary, the River was first given out in the Netherlands. This was in a ziplock bag, with a special piece of text.
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This river actually did have dark backs, so interesting if it turns out the "reprint" as part of I&C had light backs

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Re: Need help deciding which "The River " to buy.
« Reply #69 on: August 26, 2021, 03:51:25 AM »
Cool, thanks!

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Re: Need help deciding which "The River " to buy.
« Reply #70 on: August 26, 2021, 07:27:31 AM »
Check video on this page:
https://www.leukomtespelen.nl/spellen/carcassonne-de-uitbreiding-bordspel/
And this video:

Reporter turn river tiles and they are with gray backs.

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Re: Need help deciding which "The River " to buy.
« Reply #71 on: August 26, 2021, 09:37:56 AM »
Woohoo! Mystery solved, thanks! +1 from me

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Re: Need help deciding which "The River " to buy.
« Reply #72 on: August 26, 2021, 11:42:47 AM »
No problem! Anyway also Czech BB5 River III has gray backs

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Re: Need help deciding which "The River " to buy.
« Reply #73 on: August 26, 2021, 12:23:36 PM »
So, after all this discussion about rivers I have worked out that if madness truly overtakes me at some point, I could put the following different rivers on the table:

River I (light back)
River I (dark back)
River I (dark back with copy protection codes)
River II (no watermark, dark back)
River II (watermark, expansion 6, dark back)
River III* (watermark, BB5, light back)

Does this count as completionism? I wasn't even trying. I am not sure if I should be pleased, or concerned.

* no offence intended to those defenders of the official name
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Re: Need help deciding which "The River " to buy.
« Reply #74 on: August 26, 2021, 10:42:08 PM »
Ok. And we speak only about C1 river.

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