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Title: Carcassonne II: The Princess & the Dragon
Post by: quevy on January 06, 2016, 05:54:49 AM
Here's the cover image of the upcoming expansion with new graphics.

(https://cf.geekdo-images.com/images/pic2829388.png)
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Title: Re: Carcassonne II: The Princess & the Dragon
Post by: jungleboy on January 06, 2016, 06:02:20 AM
Well that's a bit sad. Given that I&C and T&B, along with the base game, make up the core of the game (i.e. this is what's included in all big boxes), there was a small chance that the new artwork would go no further than that. But I guess this is confirmation that the new art is here to stay.

Also, the dragon on the box looks a bit small!

On the plus side, maybe there'll be a more attractive princess on the tiles this time.

Title: Re: Carcassonne II: The Princess & the Dragon
Post by: ARabidMeerkat on January 06, 2016, 06:54:23 AM
Well that's a bit sad. Given that I&C and T&B, along with the base game, make up the core of the game (i.e. this is what's included in all big boxes), there was a small chance that the new artwork would go no further than that. But I guess this is confirmation that the new art is here to stay.
I think this also confirms our (negative) suspicions that the entire game will probably be re-released in the new artwork, meaning that collectors may need to buy them if HiG decide to make some sneaky structural game changes

Sadly, this also means that any newer collectors of Carc1 will need to buy P&D now to avoid it also climbing in price (yet again)

I do like the new box artwork, however!
Title: Re: Carcassonne II: The Princess & the Dragon
Post by: SRBO on January 06, 2016, 11:36:52 AM
~Edit: Never mind.. i did a bad translation
Title: Re: Carcassonne II: The Princess & the Dragon
Post by: Whaleyland on January 06, 2016, 12:54:01 PM
Carcassonne II tiles aside, I actually really don't like this cover art. The dragon looks small because of a bad perspective drawing, the fairy looks weird—too large and out of place—and the princess is wearing clothing that just doesn't seem quite right for the implied period of this series. She also is apparently looking at the dragon even thought the dragon clearly has to be quite a ways behind her for  its size to be what it needs to be. And we must remember that the dragon eats people, so she should probably be more concerned (although the fairy IS protecting her, I guess).

Conclusion: Unimpressed with the uninspired cover.
Title: Re: Carcassonne II: The Princess & the Dragon
Post by: ARabidMeerkat on January 06, 2016, 01:15:31 PM
Carcassonne II tiles aside, I actually really don't like this cover art. The dragon looks small because of a bad perspective drawing, the fairy looks weird—too large and out of place—and the princess is wearing clothing that just doesn't seem quite right for the implied period of this series. She also is apparently looking at the dragon even thought the dragon clearly has to be quite a ways behind her for  its size to be what it needs to be. And we must remember that the dragon eats people, so she should probably be more concerned (although the fairy IS protecting her, I guess).

Conclusion: Unimpressed with the uninspired cover.

Aren't you thinking about this too logically? I agree it's not as logically formed as Carc1 P&D, but it does look nice and appealing to the average board game player who may have a sudden interest in Carcassonne. It also works well with the new artwork of the other Carc2 expansions
Title: Re: Carcassonne II: The Princess & the Dragon
Post by: Whaleyland on January 06, 2016, 03:44:30 PM
Carcassonne II tiles aside, I actually really don't like this cover art. The dragon looks small because of a bad perspective drawing, the fairy looks weird—too large and out of place—and the princess is wearing clothing that just doesn't seem quite right for the implied period of this series. She also is apparently looking at the dragon even thought the dragon clearly has to be quite a ways behind her for  its size to be what it needs to be. And we must remember that the dragon eats people, so she should probably be more concerned (although the fairy IS protecting her, I guess).

Conclusion: Unimpressed with the uninspired cover.

Aren't you thinking about this too logically? I agree it's not as logically formed as Carc1 P&D, but it does look nice and appealing to the average board game player who may have a sudden interest in Carcassonne. It also works well with the new artwork of the other Carc2 expansions
I always think logically, and I really am disappointed with the historical debasement of Carcassonne-related items in recent years. Spin-offs I can handle, but all the Germany-centric Carcassonne expansions are baffling, and on top of that we get non-period artwork on boxes and strange perspectives (although that is unintentionally historical since medieval artists were terrible at perspective art). I was never in love with the old box art, but I feel it made more sense. This one just looks...trashy.

Here's the older box. While nobody is apparently concerned with the large dragon attacking the city, it does look suitably scary and threatening and its size is much larger with at least some implied distance between the minstrel and the dragon. The princess and minstrel are also in period dress. There's no fairy but I don't really think that needs to be shown anyway. The fairy on the new box looks ridiculous.
Title: Re: Carcassonne II: The Princess & the Dragon
Post by: Hounk on January 06, 2016, 04:12:32 PM
I agree with you, whaleyland. This is probably the ugliest cover art for Carcassonne to date!

Unfortunately, although not much surprisingly, this also confirms, that HiG will continue with the new artwork as well, since "2016 editions" from HiG are listed at BGG. (Also of "Abbey & Mayor", although there is no cover picture uploaded yet.) So not much hope for further releases in the old art, except maybe an occasional mini expansion a'la "German Castles". Oddly enough, BGG claims the expansions been already released Jan, 4th, while there is no trace of them on the HiG or CundCo homepages.
Title: Re: Carcassonne II: The Princess & the Dragon
Post by: stalcupojoy on January 06, 2016, 04:40:38 PM
Well that's a bit sad. Given that I&C and T&B, along with the base game, make up the core of the game (i.e. this is what's included in all big boxes), there was a small chance that the new artwork would go no further than that. But I guess this is confirmation that the new art is here to stay.
Sadly, this also means that any newer collectors of Carc1 will need to buy P&D now to avoid it also climbing in price (yet again)

As a relatively new Carcassonne fan, this is a bummer to me. I don't want to have to go out and buy all the expansions right now to have the artwork match, because my wife and I can only handle so many expansions at once. Oh well.
Title: Re: Carcassonne II: The Princess & the Dragon
Post by: Whaleyland on January 06, 2016, 05:02:39 PM
Unfortunately, although not much surprisingly, this also confirms, that HiG will continue with the new artwork as well, since "2016 editions" from HiG are listed at BGG. (Also of "Abbey & Mayor", although there is no cover picture uploaded yet.) So not much hope for further releases in the old art, except maybe an occasional mini expansion a'la "German Castles". Oddly enough, BGG claims the expansions been already released Jan, 4th, while there is no trace of them on the HiG or CundCo homepages.
Interesting. That also implies that they are skipping The Tower expansion, at least for the moment. Schmidt spiel mentions this new edition but continues the #5 expansion numbering. No image, unfortunately. I suspect that Bridges, Castles & Bazaars will be next followed by Hills & Sheep, skipping Tower, CC&K, and Catapult. That may confuse the heck out of new players when they see every other expansion skipped in numbering.
Title: Re: Carcassonne II: The Princess & the Dragon
Post by: danisthirty on January 06, 2016, 10:53:39 PM
I suspect that Bridges, Castles & Bazaars will be next followed by Hills & Sheep, skipping Tower, CC&K, and Catapult.

Agreed. I don't think we're going to be seeing The Catapult again...

My personal feeling is that I'm a lot more likely to be lured out of a city by the princess on the new box than the princess on the old box. Even though she has a tiny hand. Which would just be weird.

One genuine concern though, does anyone know why Carcassonne news like this keeps breaking on BGG? Given that we're kind of "The Carcassonne Guys" it surprises me that stuff like this isn't picked up here first. What do they know that we don't?
Title: Re: Carcassonne II: The Princess & the Dragon
Post by: Fritz_Spinne on January 06, 2016, 11:55:24 PM
News like this are not published explicitly by Schmidt Spiele or HiG, but surfing on some websites let you know of new products. There was a post in a thread on Carcassonne-Forum on December, 26th, someone saw the third and fifth expansion announced as to be published on January, 4th and 27th, you could even order it. But there was no official info of Schmidt-Spiele or HiG. Now there is an info on the website of Schmidt-Spiele, the distributor of HiG.
One of the users of Carcassonne-forum could brought the info to BGG ...

You can also order the first (?) expansion for Carcassonne, Star Wars - Edition (to be published in summmer ...)
Title: Re: Carcassonne II: The Princess & the Dragon
Post by: Whaleyland on January 07, 2016, 12:50:02 AM
You can also order the first (?) expansion for Carcassonne, Star Wars - Edition (to be published in summmer ...)
Did you just say first expansion for Star Wars Carcassonne...?

Thread Split: Carcassonne: Star Wars Expansion 1 (http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=2321.0)
Title: Re: Carcassonne II: The Princess & the Dragon
Post by: Paul on January 07, 2016, 01:40:06 AM
I'm more curious of the wooden dragon and faerie. Will these be different as well? Maybe better made?
Title: Re: Carcassonne II: The Princess & the Dragon
Post by: Decar on January 07, 2016, 01:50:11 AM
Perhaps the Dragon is normal sized and the princess is in fact a giant. That would explain why she keeps knights busy from scoring.

It also looks like shes having some kind of psychological episode and she can now see fairies and dragons in her delusions.
Title: Re: Carcassonne II: The Princess & the Dragon
Post by: danisthirty on January 07, 2016, 02:00:48 AM
Perhaps the Dragon is normal sized and the princess is in fact a giant. That would explain why she keeps knights busy from scoring.

That’s a good point Decar. Looking at it again, I’m now wondering whether they’ve completely overhauled the mechanics in this expansion to fit the box art? Based on her size, it seems likely that the scene of destruction in the background may actually have been caused by the giant princess going on a rampage (perhaps because she’s angry about her tiny hand?) whereas the mini-dragon and the fairy have joined forces in an attempt to stop her.

I wouldn’t like to speculate about what this may mean for Carcassonne, but if this is all part of an attempt to keep things fresh and interesting then I’m definitely on board! :(y)
Title: Re: Carcassonne II: The Princess & the Dragon
Post by: kettlefish on January 07, 2016, 02:02:53 AM
This year is again a year with a round number 2016 - that means (since 2006) it will come a new BigBox 6 - regulary published in late summer early autumn.

With the CC II Edition - following pieces:
- base game   - included the Abbot and perhaps the river
- 1.expansion - Inns&Cathedrals
- 2.expansion - Traders&Builders
- 3.expansion - Princess&Dragon
- 5.expansion - Abbey&Mayor
- ????             - something new ?

NOTE - this is not an official information - this is only my suggestion
Title: Re: Carcassonne II: The Princess & the Dragon
Post by: kettlefish on January 07, 2016, 02:05:58 AM
with the graphics - and the small dragon and the big princess:
I think the graphics artist doesn't know how important the dragon is in the game and he might think the princess is more important for the game than the dragon.
Title: Re: Carcassonne II: The Princess & the Dragon
Post by: Hounk on January 07, 2016, 02:06:28 AM
One of the users of Carcassonne-forum could brought the info to BGG ...
No, the info coming with the picture states "image provided by the publisher". It is odd, though, that the covers appear at BGG even before they exhibit them at the HiG page themselves.
Title: Re: Carcassonne II: The Princess & the Dragon
Post by: kettlefish on January 07, 2016, 02:16:03 AM
here is the information at Schmidt Spiele:

Princess&Dragon (http://www.schmidtspiele.de/produkt-detail/product/carcassonne-burgfraeulein-und-drache-neue-edition-48256.html)

Abbey&Mayor (http://www.schmidtspiele.de/produkt-detail/product/carcassonne-abtei-und-buergermeister-neue-edition-48257.html)
Title: Re: Carcassonne II: The Princess & the Dragon
Post by: Decar on January 07, 2016, 02:16:34 AM
No one ever seemed worried about volcanos appearing in the southern French countryside.
Title: Re: Carcassonne II: The Princess & the Dragon
Post by: Hounk on January 07, 2016, 04:58:08 AM
here is the information at Schmidt Spiele:

Princess&Dragon (http://www.schmidtspiele.de/produkt-detail/product/carcassonne-burgfraeulein-und-drache-neue-edition-48256.html)

Abbey&Mayor (http://www.schmidtspiele.de/produkt-detail/product/carcassonne-abtei-und-buergermeister-neue-edition-48257.html)
Is Schmidt taking over Carcassonne from HiG? However, it is interesting, that the site is referring A&M as the 5th expansion. So it seems, they don't plan to skip Tower in the new edition. However, there is still no cover, so probably not a final decision.
Title: Re: Carcassonne II: The Princess & the Dragon
Post by: Fritz_Spinne on January 07, 2016, 05:13:27 AM
here is the information at Schmidt Spiele:

Princess&Dragon (http://www.schmidtspiele.de/produkt-detail/product/carcassonne-burgfraeulein-und-drache-neue-edition-48256.html)

Abbey&Mayor (http://www.schmidtspiele.de/produkt-detail/product/carcassonne-abtei-und-buergermeister-neue-edition-48257.html)
Is Schmidt taking over Carcassonne from HiG? However, it is interesting, that the site is referring A&M as the 5th expansion. So it seems, they don't plan to skip Tower in the new edition. However, there is still no cover, so probably not a final decision.

No Schmidt-Spiele distributes the games for HiG.
Title: Re: Carcassonne II: The Princess & the Dragon
Post by: Hounk on January 07, 2016, 05:22:12 AM
Thanks, I forgot. Think, the company logo is also on the game boxes.
No one ever seemed worried about volcanos appearing in the southern French countryside.
... or German Monasteries.
Title: Re: Carcassonne II: The Princess & the Dragon
Post by: Rich_The_Fish on January 07, 2016, 01:07:06 PM
Sadly, this also means that any newer collectors of Carc1 will need to buy P&D now to avoid it also climbing in price (yet again)
I dread to think how much it might be as it becomes harder to get hold of - have you guys seen how much some folks are prepared to pay for a used copy of P&D at the moment?
£41.00 + £3.99 delivery, and there is still 2 days left!
See http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Carcassonne-The-Princess-The-Dragon-Expansion-Pack-3-/172048985411?hash=item280eeb2d43:g:DRkAAOSwwPhWiDFI (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Carcassonne-The-Princess-The-Dragon-Expansion-Pack-3-/172048985411?hash=item280eeb2d43:g:DRkAAOSwwPhWiDFI)
Title: Re: Carcassonne II: The Princess & the Dragon
Post by: jungleboy on January 07, 2016, 01:13:58 PM
I dread to think how much it might be as it becomes harder to get hold of - have you guys seen how much some folks are prepared to pay for a used copy of P&D at the moment?
£41.00 + £3.99 delivery, and there is still 2 days left!

I don't understand why people are paying this much. It's €10.99 at Cundco (http://cundco.de/en/expansions/carcassonne/51/carcassonne-3.-erw.-burgfraeulein-und-drache?c=44).
Title: Re: Carcassonne II: The Princess & the Dragon
Post by: Paul on January 07, 2016, 01:14:56 PM
Sadly, this also means that any newer collectors of Carc1 will need to buy P&D now to avoid it also climbing in price (yet again)

Should it ever come to that, I got a few copies if anyone is interested after it's sold out, the Scandinavian edition all in mint condition, for retail price (10 Euro) + shipping. ;)
Title: Re: Carcassonne II: The Princess & the Dragon
Post by: Paul on January 07, 2016, 01:18:55 PM
I dread to think how much it might be as it becomes harder to get hold of - have you guys seen how much some folks are prepared to pay for a used copy of P&D at the moment?
£41.00 + £3.99 delivery, and there is still 2 days left!

I don't understand why people are paying this much. It's €10.99 at Cundco (http://cundco.de/en/expansions/carcassonne/51/carcassonne-3.-erw.-burgfraeulein-und-drache?c=44).

Could be not many know of Cundco. I certainly didn't and that was evern after I joined cc.com.
  Usually Google points to good source for obtaining items you search for the most, but most searches returned me to cc.com searching for Carcassonne and buy.

Key factor would be that Cundco wasn't available in English then.
Title: Re: Carcassonne II: The Princess & the Dragon
Post by: jungleboy on January 07, 2016, 01:23:46 PM
Should it ever come to that, I got a few copies if anyone is interested after it's sold out, the Scandinavian edition all in mint condition, for retail price (10 Euro) + shipping. ;)

If only you would sell these at a profit, then that would prove the theory that I just made up that you are the secret trickster mastermind behind all of Carcassonne II!!! Your grand plan was to buy a huge number of copies of the old artwork under the pretence of your world record bid, then convince HiG to introduce new artwork that no one could possibly like, thereby allowing you to sell your old copies at an outrageous price!!

 >:D >:D >:D

(Just kidding.)
Title: Re: Carcassonne II: The Princess & the Dragon
Post by: Rich_The_Fish on January 07, 2016, 01:27:40 PM
Could be not many know of Cundco. I certainly didn't and that was evern after I joined cc.com.
Key factor would be that Cundco wasn't available in English then.
You could have hit the nail on the head there - I have only discovered CundCo quite recently (via CC), and had previously bought most of my expansions (in German) from Amazon.
Title: Re: Carcassonne II: The Princess & the Dragon
Post by: Paul on January 07, 2016, 01:27:56 PM
Should it ever come to that, I got a few copies if anyone is interested after it's sold out, the Scandinavian edition all in mint condition, for retail price (10 Euro) + shipping. ;)

If only you would sell these at a profit, then that would prove the theory that I just made up that you are the secret trickster mastermind behind all of Carcassonne II!!! Your grand plan was to buy a huge number of copies of the old artwork under the pretence of your world record bid, then convince HiG to introduce new artwork that no one could possibly like, thereby allowing you to sell your old copies at an outrageous price!!

 >:D >:D >:D

(Just kidding.)

For that, I have LEGO. :)

I'm a shopoholic and get the thrill of hunting and buying items. The items themselves, especially in duplicates are of no use to me, hence I'm happy to sell them to members at bought price (or part out certain content for free). But this is not definitive. I can easily see myself selling off on eBay for a profit, just that I don't feel like doing so at the moment.  :)
Title: Re: Carcassonne II: The Princess & the Dragon
Post by: JoeSesquipedalian on January 07, 2016, 05:38:46 PM
I dread to think how much it might be as it becomes harder to get hold of - have you guys seen how much some folks are prepared to pay for a used copy of P&D at the moment?
£41.00 + £3.99 delivery, and there is still 2 days left!

I don't understand why people are paying this much. It's €10.99 at Cundco (http://cundco.de/en/expansions/carcassonne/51/carcassonne-3.-erw.-burgfraeulein-und-drache?c=44).

To order it from Cundco.de and have it shipped to the United States the total price is €35.94, a bit more than I'm willing to spend for it.  I'll probably just wait and get a much cheaper copy of the CII version..... 

.......unless someone is able and willing to ship me a copy for cheaper.  Boardgameshop.eu did have Dutch version (cool pink box)and would have shipped to US for much less, but I didn't order right away and now it is out of stock.
Title: Re: Carcassonne II: The Princess & the Dragon
Post by: JoeSesquipedalian on January 07, 2016, 05:48:45 PM
Sadly, this also means that any newer collectors of Carc1 will need to buy P&D now to avoid it also climbing in price (yet again)

Should it ever come to that, I got a few copies if anyone is interested after it's sold out, the Scandinavian edition all in mint condition, for retail price (10 Euro) + shipping. ;)

Hello Paul.  I'd be interested in a copy when it sells out (or even before).  Any idea what it might cost you to ship to USA?  Cundco wants 35.94 euros (10.99+VAT+Shipping) to ship a copy to me.  I've got no idea why they want 25 euros to ship here; I've received similar expansions from sellers in Germany for much cheaper.
Title: Re: Carcassonne II: The Princess & the Dragon
Post by: Paul on January 07, 2016, 05:58:05 PM
Sadly, this also means that any newer collectors of Carc1 will need to buy P&D now to avoid it also climbing in price (yet again)

Should it ever come to that, I got a few copies if anyone is interested after it's sold out, the Scandinavian edition all in mint condition, for retail price (10 Euro) + shipping. ;)

Hello Paul.  I'd be interested in a copy when it sells out (or even before).  Any idea what it might cost you to ship to USA?  Cundco wants 35.94 euros (10.99+VAT+Shipping) to ship a copy to me.  I've got no idea why they want 25 euros to ship here; I've received similar expansions from sellers in Germany for much cheaper.

I can't speak for Germany nor Cundco but let me collect a set of P and D I send a PM when I wake up. 3 am here.  :o
Title: Re: Carcassonne II: The Princess & the Dragon
Post by: Carcking on January 08, 2016, 11:28:30 AM
Did anyone notice that the rooftops are not Blue??
Title: Re: Carcassonne II: The Princess & the Dragon
Post by: Safari on January 08, 2016, 06:00:44 PM
Did anyone notice that the rooftops are not Blue??
:@ :@ :@ :@ :@ :@ :@ :@ :@ :@
Gosh! Now all the sense behind Carc II is gone! Wasn't this the only real reason why they wanted to change the artwork? Blue rooftops?


However, I really can't stand that fairy. It looks just to girly. Actually the whole expansion looks girly. Lots of young ladies will be very disappointed once they find out, that this is not mainly about princesses and fairies...
Title: Re: Carcassonne II: The Princess & the Dragon
Post by: Decar on January 09, 2016, 08:21:12 AM
Lots of young ladies will be very disappointed once they find out, that this is not mainly about princesses and fairies...

I know! I was really disappointed to find no horses in any of the Carcassonne boxes!
Looking at a photo of Carcassonne, I have no idea where blue roofs ever came from either!

 :@
Title: Re: Carcassonne II: The Princess & the Dragon
Post by: Halfling on January 09, 2016, 09:10:55 AM
I like the idea of big box 6.  As I don't have any of the new artwork sets this would be ideal for me.

Does anyone know if there was to be a major expansion 10 whether it would be produced in both classic and 2015 artworks?
Title: Re: Carcassonne II: The Princess & the Dragon
Post by: stalcupojoy on January 10, 2016, 02:19:53 PM
Sadly, this also means that any newer collectors of Carc1 will need to buy P&D now to avoid it also climbing in price (yet again)

Should it ever come to that, I got a few copies if anyone is interested after it's sold out, the Scandinavian edition all in mint condition, for retail price (10 Euro) + shipping. ;)

Hello Paul.  I'd be interested in a copy when it sells out (or even before).  Any idea what it might cost you to ship to USA?  Cundco wants 35.94 euros (10.99+VAT+Shipping) to ship a copy to me.  I've got no idea why they want 25 euros to ship here; I've received similar expansions from sellers in Germany for much cheaper.

I can't speak for Germany nor Cundco but let me collect a set of P and D I send a PM when I wake up. 3 am here.  :o

Hi Paul,

As one of those "newer collectors of Carc1," I might also be interested in this, depending on the amount for shipping. I'm also in the USA (zip code 91711). That's kind of you to offer to us all. Do you know how much it would be?
Title: Re: Carcassonne II: The Princess & the Dragon
Post by: ARabidMeerkat on January 10, 2016, 02:48:47 PM
Carcassonne II tiles aside, I actually really don't like this cover art. The dragon looks small because of a bad perspective drawing, the fairy looks weird—too large and out of place—and the princess is wearing clothing that just doesn't seem quite right for the implied period of this series. She also is apparently looking at the dragon even thought the dragon clearly has to be quite a ways behind her for  its size to be what it needs to be. And we must remember that the dragon eats people, so she should probably be more concerned (although the fairy IS protecting her, I guess).

Conclusion: Unimpressed with the uninspired cover.

Aren't you thinking about this too logically? I agree it's not as logically formed as Carc1 P&D, but it does look nice and appealing to the average board game player who may have a sudden interest in Carcassonne. It also works well with the new artwork of the other Carc2 expansions
I always think logically, and I really am disappointed with the historical debasement of Carcassonne-related items in recent years. Spin-offs I can handle, but all the Germany-centric Carcassonne expansions are baffling, and on top of that we get non-period artwork on boxes and strange perspectives (although that is unintentionally historical since medieval artists were terrible at perspective art). I was never in love with the old box art, but I feel it made more sense. This one just looks...trashy.

Here's the older box. While nobody is apparently concerned with the large dragon attacking the city, it does look suitably scary and threatening and its size is much larger with at least some implied distance between the minstrel and the dragon. The princess and minstrel are also in period dress. There's no fairy but I don't really think that needs to be shown anyway. The fairy on the new box looks ridiculous.

After careful contemplation, I am willing to take back what I said..........
Title: Re: Carcassonne II: The Princess & the Dragon
Post by: Whaleyland on January 10, 2016, 04:30:30 PM
Why thank you ARabidMeerkat. I'm very glad that despite your rabidity, you are still capable of seeing reason. :@  :(y)
Title: Re: Carcassonne II: The Princess & the Dragon
Post by: danisthirty on February 03, 2016, 04:07:49 AM
Wow: :o

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Carcassonne-Expansion-Set-Princess-Dragon/dp/B00NIF04L4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1454501183&sr=8-1&keywords=carcassonne+%2Bprincess+%26+Dragon

Still, only £2.80 for UK delivery...
Title: Re: Carcassonne II: The Princess & the Dragon
Post by: jungleboy on February 03, 2016, 04:21:26 AM
Wow: :o

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Carcassonne-Expansion-Set-Princess-Dragon/dp/B00NIF04L4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1454501183&sr=8-1&keywords=carcassonne+%2Bprincess+%26+Dragon

Still, only £2.80 for UK delivery...
Well, that will obviously never be a realistic price, but it does mean that I might need to act quickly if I want to get some duplicate expansions in the old art for my travel box. 
Title: Re: Carcassonne II: The Princess & the Dragon
Post by: MrNumbers on February 03, 2016, 05:02:49 AM
Wow: :o

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Carcassonne-Expansion-Set-Princess-Dragon/dp/B00NIF04L4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1454501183&sr=8-1&keywords=carcassonne+%2Bprincess+%26+Dragon

Still, only £2.80 for UK delivery...

Quote
Sorry, this Seller doesn’t deliver to Latvia

What a shame! I wanted all 3...  :D
Title: Re: Carcassonne II: The Princess & the Dragon
Post by: Hounk on February 03, 2016, 06:02:03 AM
Not sure, what the purpose is, probably something about taxes, but I've heard of it before: this type of "offers" are not intended for sale. Normaly, they don't even have the product in stock and therefore set the price on purpose that high.
Title: Re: Carcassonne II: The Princess & the Dragon
Post by: Decar on February 03, 2016, 06:03:35 AM
I found a shop selling base Carcassonne (new artwork) for £150 last week.  It was called: "Always on Sale"  ..... you can see why!
Title: Re: Carcassonne II: The Princess & the Dragon
Post by: hunnymonster on February 03, 2016, 06:12:10 AM
It's to do with listing fees - they can vary the price for free - but if they run out of stock (or are going on holiday) - rather than delist and relist (and thus pay for that) they just jack the price up to something nobody would pay (for free)
Title: Re: Carcassonne II: The Princess & the Dragon
Post by: Hounk on February 03, 2016, 06:14:39 AM
That makes sense.  :(y)
Title: Re: Carcassonne II: The Princess & the Dragon
Post by: jungleboy on February 03, 2016, 06:34:05 AM
It's to do with listing fees - they can vary the price for free - but if they run out of stock (or are going on holiday) - rather than delist and relist (and thus pay for that) they just jack the price up to something nobody would pay (for free)

Little do they know that if they just included a river with a magic portal on one of the tiles, Carcassonne Central would explode with people who would be fighting each other to see who could pay £2000 for it first.

 >:D >:D >:D
Title: Re: Carcassonne II: The Princess & the Dragon
Post by: Decar on February 03, 2016, 11:31:43 AM
Why would they have to include it?  A picture next to the box would be enough :(y)
Title: Re: Carcassonne II: The Princess & the Dragon
Post by: danisthirty on February 03, 2016, 01:42:15 PM
It's to do with listing fees - they can vary the price for free - but if they run out of stock (or are going on holiday) - rather than delist and relist (and thus pay for that) they just jack the price up to something nobody would pay (for free)

Little do they know that if they just included a river with a magic portal on one of the tiles, Carcassonne Central would explode with people who would be fighting each other to see who could pay £2000 for it first.

 >:D >:D >:D

It seems like a bit of a waste having a magic portal on a River tile as there wouldn't be much to claim anyway... :@
Title: Re: Carcassonne II: The Princess & the Dragon
Post by: Elfew on March 18, 2016, 03:44:12 AM
Is there any more info about this expansion? Same tiles and different ugly artwork? What about the abbot tiles.

Some pictures are appreciated
Title: Re: Carcassonne II: The Princess & the Dragon
Post by: Decar on March 18, 2016, 03:55:07 AM
Nothing yet - watch this space.

German edition is for sale now - but no photos have emerged yet
Title: Re: Carcassonne II: The Princess & the Dragon
Post by: Elfew on March 18, 2016, 03:57:43 AM
+1! Thx for info.

I hope there will be something soon. About rules, yes they are available
Title: Re: Carcassonne II: The Princess & the Dragon
Post by: Decar on March 18, 2016, 04:00:22 AM
Not see the new rules yet nothing on Schmidt or HiG yet :(

Edit: Thanks for +1 too :)
Title: Re: Carcassonne II: The Princess & the Dragon
Post by: Elfew on March 18, 2016, 04:01:48 AM
http://carcassonneforum.4fan.cz/Thread-Rozsireni-Princezna-a-drak-2-0
Title: Re: Carcassonne II: The Princess & the Dragon
Post by: Decar on March 18, 2016, 04:05:17 AM
Sorry Don't have an account - where was it sourced from?
Title: Re: Carcassonne II: The Princess & the Dragon
Post by: Elfew on March 18, 2016, 04:06:36 AM
We have a really close cooperation with our distributor so we know everything 2-4 weeks before anything is announced officialy
Title: Re: Carcassonne II: The Princess & the Dragon
Post by: Decar on March 18, 2016, 04:29:48 AM
Sounds like they know more that we do.  Usually by the time we find out everyone else already has  :-[ :-[
Title: Re: Carcassonne II: The Princess & the Dragon
Post by: danisthirty on March 18, 2016, 05:27:07 AM
We have a really close cooperation with our distributor so we know everything 2-4 weeks before anything is announced officialy

If only... ::)
Title: Re: Carcassonne II: The Princess & the Dragon
Post by: kettlefish on March 18, 2016, 06:36:38 AM
At CarcF we have the German rules for the 3rd expansion - CC II - New Edition.

But this version is not the final print at the moment. Maik63de will update the final version in the next time.

Here is the link to the German rule book:
http://www.carcassonne-forum.de/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=3055 (http://www.carcassonne-forum.de/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=3055)
Title: Re: Carcassonne II: The Princess & the Dragon
Post by: Decar on March 18, 2016, 07:40:28 AM
Thanks kettlefish, I'll enjoy reading this.  Good to see the meeple have not been manipulated!
Title: Re: Carcassonne II: The Princess & the Dragon
Post by: Decar on March 18, 2016, 08:35:06 AM
Interesting, the Shepard is listed as an eatable meeple, even though it has not been announced in the new artwork yet.  It is also listed as expansion 9.

Edit: an a normal meeple is lying down on the Garden on p4.  Awkward!!
Title: Re: Carcassonne II: The Princess & the Dragon
Post by: kettlefish on March 18, 2016, 08:36:59 AM
Officially you can play the "CC II - New Edition" together with the classic Carcassonne and it's expansions. So the numbers of the expansion are still up to date.
Title: Re: Carcassonne II: The Princess & the Dragon
Post by: Decar on March 18, 2016, 08:38:15 AM
Yes, I thought that might be the case.  I wonder if Catapult will be reprinted or if the number will change between editions; that could be very confusing!
Title: Re: Carcassonne II: The Princess & the Dragon
Post by: Decar on March 19, 2016, 11:55:30 AM
Interesting: Looking again at the rules, The Abbot is considered from the 'grundspiel'  (or basic game) and not a mini-expansion.
Title: Re: Carcassonne II: The Princess & the Dragon
Post by: jungleboy on March 19, 2016, 12:13:55 PM

Interesting: Looking again at the rules, The Abbot is considered from the 'grundspiel'  (or basic game) and not a mini-expansion.

That's part of the problem I have with it: that the gardens (which I don't like) 'infect' the base game and all other expansions, regardless of whether you use the abbots or not.

Sorry for beating a dead horse, but someone's gotta do it :)
Title: Re: Carcassonne II: The Princess & the Dragon
Post by: Decar on March 19, 2016, 02:03:16 PM
I'm sure that horse has plenty of flogging left in it.  There's another 5 expansions to re-render.  I believe Abbey and Mayor won't be out until June, so you can have a rest until then ;)

I guess my point was The Abbot, like Farmers, and is considered part of the basic game not an expansion.
Title: Re: Carcassonne II: The Princess & the Dragon
Post by: grc215 on April 05, 2016, 06:56:53 PM
When should we be able to purchase this in the US?
Title: Re: Carcassonne II: The Princess & the Dragon
Post by: Decar on April 06, 2016, 03:44:56 AM
Welcome to Carcassonne Central grc215.  Z-man games is the American Publisher, they have yet to announce anything.  The German edition is available now.  Inns and Catherdrals were several months behind.
Title: Re: Carcassonne II: The Princess & the Dragon
Post by: Whaleyland on July 10, 2016, 04:41:33 PM
Interesting, the Shepard is listed as an eatable meeple, even though it has not been announced in the new artwork yet.  It is also listed as expansion 9.

Edit: an a normal meeple is lying down on the Garden on p4.  Awkward!!
A Tower Guard (on a Tower), Mayor, and Wagon are also in the diagram, suggesting all are still forthcoming.
Title: Re: Carcassonne II: The Princess & the Dragon
Post by: Decar on July 10, 2016, 11:57:02 PM
They have been announced in the new artwork.

But as kettlefish said: they are all compatible.
Title: Princess & Dragon (new edition) still has no release date from Z-Man
Post by: JT Atomico on September 08, 2016, 09:06:54 AM
Just wanted to share an email exchange with Z-Man about the possible release of the English language version of the new Princess & Dragon. Sadly, it looks like there are no real plans in the works yet despite it being out for a long time in Germany. :(

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Hello,
 
The new version of Carcassonne: Princess & Dragon has been released in Germany for many months: http://cundco.de/en/expansions/carcassonne-new-edition/146/carcassonne-3.-erw.-burgfraeulein-und-drache-neue-edition?c=77
 
Are there plans for Z-Man Games to release an English language version?
 
Jamie

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Hi Jamie,

Unfortunately, no date has been fixed just yet. As soon as we have more information, we’ll kick people posted on our web site and through social media.

Have a nice day,
Simon Lafrance
Communications

I am probably going give up waiting and get the German language version instead.
Title: Re: Princess & Dragon (new edition) still has no release date from Z-Man
Post by: Decar on September 08, 2016, 09:45:13 AM
No suprises there. Zman have been acquired 3 times since last Christmas.  I gave up waiting earlier this year.

They've not even renamed the Amazon edition for the English audience.  HiG should just release english rules like star wars edition, they were much more successful.
Title: Re: Princess & Dragon (new edition) still has no release date from Z-Man
Post by: Paul on September 08, 2016, 10:37:03 AM
I'm thankful the Scandinavian release came out early this year (and bought it) even though I prefer everything in English.
Title: Re: Carcassonne II: The Princess & the Dragon
Post by: danisthirty on September 08, 2016, 12:27:20 PM
I might just buy it in Essen assuming it will be there.
Title: Re: Carcassonne II: The Princess & the Dragon
Post by: reddalek on September 26, 2016, 02:15:07 PM
Hi there,

I'm new to Carcassonne - and to this forum - but I'm a fan. (Also might be a dangerous opinion but I'm also a fan of the new artwork: easy to say for someone who had never bought any of the old version.) So I was interested in this thread and sent Z-Man another email. The response from Simon Lafrance was:

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The release is planned for late 2016 or early 2017, depending on shipping.

Good news!
Title: Re: Carcassonne II: The Princess & the Dragon
Post by: Decar on September 26, 2016, 02:22:19 PM
Thanks for letting us know - it's taken Z-man long enough!

Also: watch out for The Doctor, he's around here somewhere  ::)

Welcome to the forum!
Title: Re: Carcassonne II: The Princess & the Dragon
Post by: danisthirty on September 26, 2016, 04:52:43 PM
Welcome to the forums reddalek :) :(y)

Thanks for the update.

It's fine with me if you favor the new artwork over the old! I'll be fine with it for as long as the Abbots are treated as an expansion and don't ever become considered part of the core game.
Title: Re: Carcassonne II: The Princess & the Dragon
Post by: reddalek on September 26, 2016, 06:27:58 PM
Thank you both!

Don't get me wrong: if I had already collected the older version, I'd be upset. Even if you think the new version is 'nicer', it wouldn't be worth the pain of having split Carcassonne worlds with potential exclusives in both sets. I'm just lucky in that I can start afresh.

I decided to push my luck and ask Z-Man if any other expansions were being re-released at the same time. Will let you know if they respond!
Title: Re: Carcassonne II: The Princess & the Dragon
Post by: JoeSesquipedalian on September 27, 2016, 04:35:22 PM
For those in the US, you can order the German new version of Princess and Dragon from a UK Seller on ebay for less than 18 USD!!!   FREE SHIPPING TOO!!   Much better than waiting for ZMAN and probably around the same price or even cheaper.   I am not affiliated in any way with the seller;  I am just spreading the word.  I ordered a copy for myself.  I hope this helps some meeple.  :yellow-meeple: :neutral-meeple: :white-meeple: :brown-meeple: :gray-meeple: :violet-meeple: :pink-meeple: :orange-meeple: :black1-meeple: :blue-meeple: :red-meeple: :green-meeple:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Schmidt-Spiele-Hans-im-Gluck-48256-Put-Games-Carcassonne-Dragon-Castle-Fra-/191905032572?hash=item2cae6e697c:g:5sUAAOSwM4xXbSd6

Joe  :green-meeple:
Title: Re: Carcassonne II: The Princess & the Dragon
Post by: Decar on September 27, 2016, 08:48:37 PM
Sounds like a good price. I'd be happy grab anything from Essen and to stick it in box and ship it to USA for you.
Title: Re: Carcassonne II: The Princess & the Dragon
Post by: reddalek on September 28, 2016, 03:41:53 PM
It's tempting, but the completionist streak in me wants everything in the same language. Maybe I should have just started with the German base game ;)

Z-Man replied again:

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Expansion 4 should be releasing at the same time.
Title: Re: Carcassonne II: The Princess & the Dragon
Post by: reddalek on November 11, 2016, 01:35:50 PM
It's available! http://www.miniaturemarket.com/zmg78103.html