Quote from: Carcassonne93 on October 17, 2021, 11:13:27 AMQuote from: Meepledrone on October 17, 2021, 10:30:24 AMQuote from: Carcassonne93 on October 17, 2021, 07:18:34 AMAlso taking into account all scorings from 1A, 1B, 1C, 2A, 2B-1, 2B-2 and 2C?Yes, Just the final position of the scoring figures is taken into consideration if any of them moved. This leaves an open question about scoring negative points (question sent to HiG about this too).On another note, after a long conversation on Discord (about which I also sent questions to validate their answers), they said that:* Scorings happening in 1A, 1B, 1C and (allegedly) 2A happen immediately.* Scorings triggered in 2B-1 and 2C are delayed and are scored in 3 (not specified when for now: 3A for the sake of simplicity? 3B along with features scored?). This was important for the dragon (question not fully answered since January and sent again to HiG)* Scorings happening in 3B, 3C and 4A scored in their respective steps.This also has some side effects on points considered when sending a meeple to Carcassonne (question sent to HiG about this too):* Positive scorings happening in 1A, 1B and 4A (happening after sending a meeple to Carcassonne) should not be considered when sending a meeple to Carcassonne.* Positive scorings happening in 1C, 3A?, 3B, 3C should be considered when sending a meeple to Carcassonne.* Negative scorings should not be considered. So as you can see, many moving parts I wanted to clarify. But let's work with what we have so far.https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Fruit-Bearing_Trees#Harvestiː "immediately" and in 2. Placing a meeple.No matter if the rules say immediately, HiG state no points are scored in 2. Placing a meeple. So the only option I see -and therefore my question to HiG- is that actions take place in this phase but points are scored in 3. Scoring a feature. No answer yet though after several months.I quoted the rules to them stating the scoring happened immediatel,y and even the clarification about removing and scoring the abbot, that was crystal clear about removing and scoring the abbot in 2. Placing a meeple, but they didn't come to clear conclusion:https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Abbot#cite_note-13QuoteThe scoring of the abbot scoring occurs immediately during the 2. Placing a meeple phase when the abbot is removed. This effectively protects the abbot from the dragon and produces a scoring round for Messages. Afterwards, the normal scoring phase occurs. (3/2015)This means the HiG representative was contradicting the aforementioned clarifications but never answered my initial question completely. I was wanted them to confirm that when placing a dragon tile, you could remove and score the abbot before the dragon moves, so you could prevent the dragon from eating your abbot. No clear answer yet besides the scoring does not happen in 2. Placing a meeple.Quote from: Carcassonne93 on October 17, 2021, 11:13:27 AMWhat are the corect answers?1. You score your shepherd:a) You remove the shepherd and the sheep in step 2C, but score the points in step 3.b) You remove the shepherd and the sheep in step 3 and score the points in step 3.The reply by HiG hints that answer should be a)Quote from: Carcassonne93 on October 17, 2021, 11:13:27 AM2. You score your abbot:a) You remove the abbot in step 2B-1, but score the points in step 3.b) You remove the abbot in step 3 and score the points in step 3.The reply by HiG hints that answer should be a)Quote from: Carcassonne93 on October 17, 2021, 11:13:27 AM3. You score a pyramid of acrobatsːa) You remove the acrobats in step 2B-1, but the points are scored in step 3.b) You remove the acrobats in step 3 and the points are scored in step 3.The reply by HiG hints that answer should be a)Quote from: Carcassonne93 on October 17, 2021, 11:13:27 AM3. You harvestːa) You place the token in your supply in step 2C, but score the points in step 3.b) You place the token in your supply in step 3 and score the points in step 3.a) You place the token in your supply in step 2C, but score the points in step 2C.b) You place the token in your supply in step 3 and score the points in step 2C.The reply by HiG hints that answer should be a)
Quote from: Meepledrone on October 17, 2021, 10:30:24 AMQuote from: Carcassonne93 on October 17, 2021, 07:18:34 AMAlso taking into account all scorings from 1A, 1B, 1C, 2A, 2B-1, 2B-2 and 2C?Yes, Just the final position of the scoring figures is taken into consideration if any of them moved. This leaves an open question about scoring negative points (question sent to HiG about this too).On another note, after a long conversation on Discord (about which I also sent questions to validate their answers), they said that:* Scorings happening in 1A, 1B, 1C and (allegedly) 2A happen immediately.* Scorings triggered in 2B-1 and 2C are delayed and are scored in 3 (not specified when for now: 3A for the sake of simplicity? 3B along with features scored?). This was important for the dragon (question not fully answered since January and sent again to HiG)* Scorings happening in 3B, 3C and 4A scored in their respective steps.This also has some side effects on points considered when sending a meeple to Carcassonne (question sent to HiG about this too):* Positive scorings happening in 1A, 1B and 4A (happening after sending a meeple to Carcassonne) should not be considered when sending a meeple to Carcassonne.* Positive scorings happening in 1C, 3A?, 3B, 3C should be considered when sending a meeple to Carcassonne.* Negative scorings should not be considered. So as you can see, many moving parts I wanted to clarify. But let's work with what we have so far.https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Fruit-Bearing_Trees#Harvestiː "immediately" and in 2. Placing a meeple.
Quote from: Carcassonne93 on October 17, 2021, 07:18:34 AMAlso taking into account all scorings from 1A, 1B, 1C, 2A, 2B-1, 2B-2 and 2C?Yes, Just the final position of the scoring figures is taken into consideration if any of them moved. This leaves an open question about scoring negative points (question sent to HiG about this too).On another note, after a long conversation on Discord (about which I also sent questions to validate their answers), they said that:* Scorings happening in 1A, 1B, 1C and (allegedly) 2A happen immediately.* Scorings triggered in 2B-1 and 2C are delayed and are scored in 3 (not specified when for now: 3A for the sake of simplicity? 3B along with features scored?). This was important for the dragon (question not fully answered since January and sent again to HiG)* Scorings happening in 3B, 3C and 4A scored in their respective steps.This also has some side effects on points considered when sending a meeple to Carcassonne (question sent to HiG about this too):* Positive scorings happening in 1A, 1B and 4A (happening after sending a meeple to Carcassonne) should not be considered when sending a meeple to Carcassonne.* Positive scorings happening in 1C, 3A?, 3B, 3C should be considered when sending a meeple to Carcassonne.* Negative scorings should not be considered. So as you can see, many moving parts I wanted to clarify. But let's work with what we have so far.
Also taking into account all scorings from 1A, 1B, 1C, 2A, 2B-1, 2B-2 and 2C?
The scoring of the abbot scoring occurs immediately during the 2. Placing a meeple phase when the abbot is removed. This effectively protects the abbot from the dragon and produces a scoring round for Messages. Afterwards, the normal scoring phase occurs. (3/2015)
What are the corect answers?1. You score your shepherd:a) You remove the shepherd and the sheep in step 2C, but score the points in step 3.b) You remove the shepherd and the sheep in step 3 and score the points in step 3.
2. You score your abbot:a) You remove the abbot in step 2B-1, but score the points in step 3.b) You remove the abbot in step 3 and score the points in step 3.
3. You score a pyramid of acrobatsːa) You remove the acrobats in step 2B-1, but the points are scored in step 3.b) You remove the acrobats in step 3 and the points are scored in step 3.
3. You harvestːa) You place the token in your supply in step 2C, but score the points in step 3.b) You place the token in your supply in step 3 and score the points in step 3.a) You place the token in your supply in step 2C, but score the points in step 2C.b) You place the token in your supply in step 3 and score the points in step 2C.
Quote from: corinthiens13 on October 17, 2021, 07:46:48 AMThat is a great clarification, making the game a lot easier.Indeed. It's great and matched the initial approach on BB4 and BB6. What makes me think why they conveyed such a complicated approach in the clarifications from 5/2014 and 10/2014.Quote from: corinthiens13 on October 17, 2021, 07:46:48 AMNow one question, what if I move my messenger for correct windrose placement, my messenger ends on a dark space, then I score a city with my scoring meeple and it doesn't end on a dark space.Do I get a message since the last movement of my messenger was to a dark space, or not since the last overall movement wasn't to a dark space? (I suggest the second option to make it easier, the last movement has to be to a dark space).You have to consider which scorings figures you moved during your turn, and check the last position of each of them on the scoreboard. In this case, you moved both and one of them ended up on a dark space, so you receive a message.This means, you have to evaluate your whole turn as one round of scoring even if the scoring events happen in different steps.Quote from: corinthiens13 on October 17, 2021, 07:46:48 AMAnd what if the last movement was backwards and ended up on a dark space (got 2 points for not activating a 20 anniversary tile, then lost 2 for protecting a meeple from peasant revolts)?We don't have an official answer. I also asked HiG if you receive a message when landing on dark spaces after scoring negative points. No answer yet.
That is a great clarification, making the game a lot easier.
Now one question, what if I move my messenger for correct windrose placement, my messenger ends on a dark space, then I score a city with my scoring meeple and it doesn't end on a dark space.Do I get a message since the last movement of my messenger was to a dark space, or not since the last overall movement wasn't to a dark space? (I suggest the second option to make it easier, the last movement has to be to a dark space).
And what if the last movement was backwards and ended up on a dark space (got 2 points for not activating a 20 anniversary tile, then lost 2 for protecting a meeple from peasant revolts)?
Yeah. Doesn't matter order. But final score. In other wordsScoringmeeple on position 32.You have tile for finish road with score +5.Than you have 37But you remove one meeple from Vodyanoy by -2 points.Final position 35 - dark space.That 35 is greater then 32 you are rewarded by rceiving message.Odoslané z SM-A202F pomocou Tapatalku
"Negative scorings should not be considered" including the ransom for a prisoner? For City of Carcassonne.
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