ZMG vs RGG Rule Booklets

[kettlefish]

I disagree. If the translation by Z-Man and/or Rio Grande doesn't adequately translate the word from German, or if there is a tie between versions, I think going back to the original German translation is a good option. I mean, for Kultstätten, Matt translated it as "shrine" even though Rio Grande chose "cult place". In the end, the actual translation was "place of worship". Oddly, Hans im Glück then went and called the expansion Graf, Konig und Konsorten, which means, in English, "consorts", a term that has nothing to do with the expansion.

5.0 Kultstätte - shrine (CAR 6.2 page75+Spielbox HiG-Almanach) / cult place (RGG+CAR 6.2 page79)

If you like, then you can write the correct English word  - place of worship (English translation)

Graf, Konig und Konsorten - with the word "Konsorten" - we German know that there are more expansions.
I think that has something to do with the strategy of selling. The name would be to long if they wrote all the expansions as a name for an expansion.

[Whaleyland]

The bigger issue with Graf, Konig und Konsorten, though, was that there was no included "Consorts" expansion. Instead, it was just River II and Cults (HiG edition). When Rio Grande translated the expansion for Big Box 2, it translated as Count, King and Cults, to recognize one of the skipped expansions. But there still was nothing "consort" about the expansion and the term doesn't appear anywhere in the rules test outside the title.

But no, I don't want to call it "place of worship", I just feel that it doesn't hurt to put in the actual translation of the term when listing translations.

[Fritz_Spinne]

Konsorten can be members of a syndicate, but mostly in German "Konsorten" means and some more of that kind or of that sort. This term is most often used to devalue a group of people. E.g.: "Deutschland im Sturzflug: Was Politiker und Konsorten mit aller Macht zu verheimlichen suchen" is a book-title, it translates: Germany is plummeting/ Germany in a nosedive: What politicians and their likes try to hide with all their might".

So I think "Graf, König und Konsorten" is for Count of Carcassonne (expansion), The King and Robber-Baron (expansion) and another small expansion. So there's no other member of a consortium.

[Scott]

The English word "consorts" has a similar meaning as the German word "konsorten", but in English it is not the most popular meaning, which is why an English-speaking person would expect to find an expansion called "Consorts". The example that Fritz gives in the above post is a good example of how the meaning of "konsorten" would be translated into English. In the case of "Count, King, and Consorts", a more natural way of expressing this in English might be "Count, King, et al." which is actually from the Latin "et alli" - literally "and others".

[Whaleyland]

Interesting. That definition definitely doesn't come up in my translation dictionary. So "Konsorten" could probably be best translated into English as "consortium", using a loose definition that basically means "a collection of other stuff." Fun! So the Spielbox expansion we all are hoping will someday be released should really be called "Tunnels, Plague & More".

[CarcAddict]

At least Polish edition by Mindok fixed this issue . They traslated it into:

"Count, King and River".

[kettlefish]

Here this is interesting - RGG doesn't know what could be the best translation:

1.2 Wappen - pennant (CAR+RGG) / banner (ZMG+RGG-mini2+5)
4.0 Kloster - cloister (CAR+RGG,RGG-mini2) / monastery (ZMG+RGG-mini1,4)

[Scott]

I find this whole "wappen" thing interesting. The actual correct translation is "coat of arms", but if I could pick any word to describe it I would have used "shield" instead of "banner" or "pennant" because a heraldic banner is rectangular and a pennant is triangular.

"Monastery" is the correct translation of "kloster". Here's what cloister actually means: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloister. The group that I used to play with always referred to cloisters as "klooster", which oddly enough is the Dutch equivalent of "kloster". Turns out we were calling it the right thing all along.

[kettlefish]

Rules from the BigBoxes:

1.0 Landschaftskarte ziehen und anlegen - draw and place landscape tile (RGG) / place tiles and special pieces (ZMG)
2.0 Holz bewegen - "move" wood (RGG) / place player pawns (ZMG)

ZMG doesn't use the "move wood" - that is a shame...

[kettlefish]

The next one:

2.0 Fluggerät - flying machine (ZMG) / aircraft symbol (CAR) / wing (RGG)

[kettlefish]

Some new words - English translation

3.2 Turmteil - tower part (RGG) / tower piece (CAR+RGG) / tower floor - floor (ZMG)